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ionderella
post Nov 18 2014, 02:57 PM
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/...d-Band-Aid.html

So well put.
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post Nov 18 2014, 03:57 PM
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^ I disagree.

I'm no Bob Geldof fan but it's very convenient that the writer made a point of his 'bollocks' quote from the Sky News interview but omitted his lengthy defense of Adele's lifestyle choices and decision not to participate, which completely contradicts the crux of her article. He wasn't 'shaming' her with those comments.

I also can't take her very seriously because the piece is littered with unnecessary, petty remarks, such as reducing Olly Murs to 'the bloke who once lost the X Factor' (never mind the fact he's one of the UK's leading male popstars with three multi-platinum albums etc!)

She also just assumes these celebrities don't donate privately based on the fact they make a big public show of themselves for Band Aid and have been known in some cases to avoid tax, which is a very problematic assumption and most likely wildly inaccurate.

While I agree some of the lyrics are somewhat patronising and simplistic, I don't get the level of criticism Band Aid gets from people like her. Like it or not, the artists involved are very popular and have influence. Them making a big deal out of their particular form of philanthropy via the single raises huge awareness and funds for people who desperately need them. Surely the benefits massively outweigh the annoyances that people have with it?


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post Nov 18 2014, 04:21 PM
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I agree with Noah about the Olly Murs bit as well, that struck out at me on my reading of the article. It's clearly a fact that is there to help the argument and in doing so, it blindly ignores everything that happened post-X Factor. Would they be happier if Joe McElderry was there instead of him considering he won?

Also, whether or not the celebrities are donating, the aim is to raise money and Band Aid is generating a lot of that. Yes, it may get more attention to the aid workers out there already both in the short and long term but if it's able to generate a lot more money for the cause, surely that is more important. The legacy of Band Aid helps people to buy the track and donate and that's why its so important.

I'm sure that once the battle with Ebola is over, or at least is a lot more successful, people aren't going to be looking the likes of Rita Ora and One Direction as the saving graces. It's just about raising more money and it's ridiculous that it is being criticised so heavily.
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post Nov 18 2014, 05:06 PM
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I fully support Adele in not taking part but I don't actually think Bob's been bitching about it. I have not once heard one derogatory comment he's made about her. He said she wasn't interested but he hasn't slagged her off.
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post Nov 18 2014, 06:52 PM
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post Nov 18 2014, 07:38 PM
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QUOTE(Noahspike @ Nov 18 2014, 03:57 PM) *
^ I disagree.

I'm no Bob Geldof fan but it's very convenient that the writer made a point of his 'bollocks' quote from the Sky News interview but omitted his lengthy defense of Adele's lifestyle choices and decision not to participate, which completely contradicts the crux of her article. He wasn't 'shaming' her with those comments.

I also can't take her very seriously because the piece is littered with unnecessary, petty remarks, such as reducing Olly Murs to 'the bloke who once lost the X Factor' (never mind the fact he's one of the UK's leading male popstars with three multi-platinum albums etc!)

She also just assumes these celebrities don't donate privately based on the fact they make a big public show of themselves for Band Aid and have been known in some cases to avoid tax, which is a very problematic assumption and most likely wildly inaccurate.

While I agree some of the lyrics are somewhat patronising and simplistic, I don't get the level of criticism Band Aid gets from people like her. Like it or not, the artists involved are very popular and have influence. Them making a big deal out of their particular form of philanthropy via the single raises huge awareness and funds for people who desperately need them. Surely the benefits massively outweigh the annoyances that people have with it?


I'm no expert, but I would assume that if celebrities make charitable donations to big marathons like this, they would like to keep it under wraps. If X provides 10m towards the aid fund, it's not going to have a brilliant effect on the everyday man on the street. X has donated that amount, so there's no need for me to donate 5. Regardless surely cancelling gigs/plans/giving up funds connected to the song is a charitable donation in itself!?! Don't understand all the bad words that are shouted sometimes.
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post Nov 18 2014, 09:06 PM
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Interesting that this ill-informed rant has not been opened for comment. Perhaps they are afraid too many people will point out the writer's errors.

I cannot understand the mentality of some people. This writer seems to think that we should identify the biggest problem facing the world, solve it and then move on to the next problem. So, because Ebola is not the biggest problem facing the world today, we should just ignore it.
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post Nov 18 2014, 09:26 PM
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Her point is put across terribly (of course the stars donate money as well as time and she makes it sound like they've dragged people off of the street to sing rather than getting most of the biggest stars in the UK right now) but some of what she says is in essence agreeable to me personally... Why do we have to buy the song? I am certain a good few of the 200k+ who've downloaded it won't even like the song, I know this sounds stupid but when it comes to these charity singles people seem to think you can't just donate directly to charity so you have to buy the song to make a difference. Granted though, one of the best ways to get people to donate is to have Sam Smith, One Direction and Ed Sheeran on one song laugh.gif I'm not taking away from the fact that it's always good to get money for charity obviously, but we shouldn't be forced to buy a song he acknowledges that we don't even have to like! There's a button on Facebook now to donate to stop Ebola so people can just donate through that. Although I think that's a fixed 5 or something donation, I guess those who can't spare that much will help by buying Band Aid which is only 99p to download. But even so, I'm sure there are plenty of similar Ebola funds you can donate to without buying the song. Geldof's urgency does kind of make it seem as if this is the absolute only way you can do anything to give money to help stop Ebola, that's the part I agree with.
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post Nov 18 2014, 10:52 PM
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Thing is, would funds towards Ebola have raised as much as they have without Band Aid? Obviously not, so this 'ugh we don't need this awful song, you can donate yourself!!11' argument is missing the point because things like this, plus Comic Relief/Children In Need are there for a reason - to maximise donations and raise mass awareness to the cause. The ambition of Band Aid 30 wasn't to make a great song with a star studded line up that will go down as a classic, but to raise money and awareness of the cause. Yes, celebs like Bono/Bob Geldof are a bit worthy about it and it is a shame that some people would need an incentive like a song or a night of entertainment in the name of a cause to get them to donate or even realise what was going on, but that's simply how things works - high profile celebrity events/songs raise awareness/money by the millions and however 'patronising' they are or, in this case, however bad the song is (I don't think this song is that great at all, nor were any of them after the original, which itself wasn't exactly Ivor Novello material), it's essential for what it is, and I am so sick of reading the likes of Digital Spy/The Guardian comments which are full of people missing the point and moaning about the 'patronising/incorrect' lyrics, the artists telling us what to do (they're not, they're just high profile names that are taking unpaid time out of their schedule supporting a cause and thus raising awareness) and the like. (that wasn't aimed at you btw Liam, just the general article/things I've read on here tongue.gif)

I'm not a massive fan of Geldof but if you were passionate about raising money for funds to help combat a deadly disease killing millions, wouldn't you want to be a bit forceful to get people to buy it?


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post Nov 18 2014, 11:58 PM
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QUOTE(Chez Wombat @ Nov 18 2014, 10:52 PM) *
Thing is, would funds towards Ebola have raised as much as they have without Band Aid? Obviously not, so this 'ugh we don't need this awful song, you can donate yourself!!11' argument is missing the point because things like this, plus Comic Relief/Children In Need are there for a reason - to maximise donations and raise mass awareness to the cause. The ambition of Band Aid 30 wasn't to make a great song with a star studded line up that will go down as a classic, but to raise money and awareness of the cause. Yes, celebs like Bono/Bob Geldof are a bit worthy about it and it is a shame that some people would need an incentive like a song or a night of entertainment in the name of a cause to get them to donate or even realise what was going on, but that's simply how things works - high profile celebrity events/songs raise awareness/money by the millions and however 'patronising' they are or, in this case, however bad the song is (I don't think this song is that great at all, nor were any of them after the original, which itself wasn't exactly Ivor Novello material), it's essential for what it is, and I am so sick of reading the likes of Digital Spy/The Guardian comments which are full of people missing the point and moaning about the 'patronising/incorrect' lyrics, the artists telling us what to do (they're not, they're just high profile names that are taking unpaid time out of their schedule supporting a cause and thus raising awareness) and the like. (that wasn't aimed at you btw Liam, just the general article/things I've read on here tongue.gif)

I'm not a massive fan of Geldof but if you were passionate about raising money for funds to help combat a deadly disease killing millions, wouldn't you want to be a bit forceful to get people to buy it?

Well said. It's always been the case that celebrity endorsement can be very valuable for a cause and it probably always will be. That's a shame but that's the way the world works.
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post Nov 19 2014, 07:29 AM
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I guess I'm the only one who mostly agrees with that writer. It does feel a bit weird when a bunch of singers only join to record a song trying to raise awareness about something that has been one of the most talked about things for the past few months. I'm not saying they shouldn't have done this very project but the whole idea just feels very forced even if it brings more money. When was the last time a charity single of these proportions was released? Surely it'd make sense to do it more often if the only purpose was to raise awareness and money towards fighting the issue. Why not do a charity single on an AIDS day in a few days as well then? (I forgot! everyone will start getting into Xmas spirit by that time and buying lots of useless crap, ain't nobody got time fo sadness and aids). It's also quite sad that people can't just donate those 99p themselves without buying some song. It's not even technically a donation if you buy something in return for your money. How is 5 quid so much more than 99p anyway. Seems really weird to me. Moreover, I don't QUITE believe that all of the proceeds will go directly to the organisations fighting ebola but I don't trust anyone these days (i live in russia hence i have a perfectly valid reason for that~) so I might well be wrong there oops.
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post Nov 19 2014, 09:21 AM
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QUOTE(Chez Wombat @ Nov 18 2014, 10:52 PM) *
I'm not a massive fan of Geldof but if you were passionate about raising money for funds to help combat a deadly disease killing millions, wouldn't you want to be a bit forceful to get people to buy it?



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