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HausAlone
post Jan 22 2015, 07:42 PM
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The Government will bring in legislation to introduce standardised plain cigarette packaging before the end of this Parliament, health minister Jane Ellison has announced.

The ban on smoking in private cars with children will come into force on October 1 of this year, the minister also announced.

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2015-01-21/...rce-in-october/


New laws coming into place from as soon as October this year, and a rebranding of cigarette packaging is imminent too. Branded cigarette packaging is to be banned in 2016 with them being sold in "bland, plain packaging instead from May 2016".

Do you agree with the legislation, particularly for the protection of children's health? Or is it a step too far in terms of restricting freedom in private spaces...
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post Jan 22 2015, 07:44 PM
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Good luck enforcing that.

It's a step in the right direction, but think it will be quite hard to control.
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post Jan 22 2015, 07:44 PM
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Its f***ing annoying when drivers smoke. It usually means opening the window and if you are sitting on the backseat, its not that nice. I say go 4 it government! And good move with the plain packaging.
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post Jan 22 2015, 07:50 PM
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I don't understand the plain packaging. I get that the bright coloured packets 'appeal' to young children but in supermarkets now they HAVE to cover up the cigarettes anyway, and I believe smaller shops will have to soon as well. So I don't really see the point in that.
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post Jan 22 2015, 07:52 PM
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QUOTE(Rooney @ Jan 22 2015, 07:44 PM) *
Good luck enforcing that.

It's a step in the right direction, but think it will be quite hard to control.

I wonder if anyone can find statistics for how strongly they enforced the ban on using a telephone whilst driving, or how effective it was for road safety. To be fair this ban should have coincided with that, because away from the obvious dangers of second-hand smoking, there's also the fact that your hands are less free to steer, lol.
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post Jan 22 2015, 07:55 PM
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Maybe this will encourage smokers to cycle to work [/wishful thinking].

Well actually, no, I don't want a load of wheezing people coughing loudly, spluttering, smelling foul and polluting my fresh air actually speeding past me on my cycle in to work and making me look even more unfit!


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post Jan 22 2015, 07:59 PM
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I sadly think this will be one of things that's kind of hard to enforce and people will just do anyway, but it's a step in the right direction. Fair enough smoke in your home/garden, do what you want to your own body if you must even though you're aware of the damage it does, but I hate how people smoke in their car with people, or when people are near.

We were talking about all of this in our lesson psychology lesson earlier, as we study addiction as part of the A2 spec. My teacher showed this horrible video of a human artery being squeezed, and where it was so clogged the fat and god knows what that came out just looked that mashed potato puke.gif Nobody in my class smokes but it was a very affecting video imo and something like that would make a terrifying but maybe effective ad campaign,
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post Jan 22 2015, 08:03 PM
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cigarettes are evil, addictive sticks of misery and continue to bring ill-health and early deaths to hundreds of millions and unhappiness to those who have to indirectly deal with the consequences of it. Plus it's unpleasant for others having to breathe it in (yes that'll be me dealing with all of the afore-mentioned)

No different to any other harmful addictive substance, just takes longer to damage.

Sorry to smokers who feel their right to do what they want is being taken away. Children have a right not to have their lungs polluted by inconsiderate parents. So yes I'm in favour.
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post Jan 22 2015, 08:05 PM
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QUOTE(HausofKubrick @ Jan 22 2015, 07:52 PM) *
because away from the obvious dangers of second-hand smoking, there's also the fact that your hands are less free to steer, lol.

there's a bit of a difference between having a cigarette between two fingers and still being able to control the wheel with your hand, and having a mobile phone in your palm therefore unable to control the wheel with your hand.
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post Jan 22 2015, 08:13 PM
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I also never really got why it was so necessary to drive and smoke anyway. Do you not have self control to smoke before or after the trip?
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post Jan 22 2015, 08:14 PM
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Self control isn't really a STRONG SUIT of addicts to be fair ~
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post Jan 22 2015, 08:17 PM
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My teacher told me about her friend who was flying to Australia and couldn't go without smoking, he had to stop in Spain and then India for a smoke, and didn't care he had to pay extra! I guess until you are a smoker you don't know the desperation some of them have to achieve that dopamine fuelled "high" again.
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post Jan 22 2015, 08:40 PM
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QUOTE(Calum Hood @ Jan 22 2015, 08:05 PM) *
there's a bit of a difference between having a cigarette between two fingers and still being able to control the wheel with your hand, and having a mobile phone in your palm therefore unable to control the wheel with your hand.

What about lighting it or do you have magic self-lighting cigarettes in Central Fife? To light a cigarette takes concentration away from driving. A split second lapse is all it takes to kill the 3 year old that just wandered out in front of your car...
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post Jan 22 2015, 08:47 PM
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As far as I know you cannot smoke without actually touching a cigarette at some points in time with your hands. Regularly.
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post Jan 22 2015, 08:54 PM
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QUOTE(AdamAloud @ Jan 22 2015, 07:50 PM) *
I don't understand the plain packaging. I get that the bright coloured packets 'appeal' to young children but in supermarkets now they HAVE to cover up the cigarettes anyway, and I believe smaller shops will have to soon as well. So I don't really see the point in that.


Some of the plain packaging that are out there atm are fairly gruesome though. It admittedly won't do much to stop regular smokers, but having these in the shops may put very young children off of purchasing one for the first time and...well, it's somewhat hopeful what to believe it will stop them from starting altogether, but I still think Plain Packaging is a step in the right direction.

Dunno how it's tooken this long to ban smoking in cars with young children, hard law to implement, but something that should have been done a long time ago and apply to every car. It's more acceptable than drinking, eating or talking on the phone while driving.


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post Jan 22 2015, 09:51 PM
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I think my stance on these issues are well established at this point. Quite happy to see both of these changes coming in.
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post Jan 23 2015, 07:39 PM
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I basically think they are on the road to making cigs illegal cause like atm the only place you can smoke is on a street or in your own home and i would bet it won't be too long before its illegal to smoke outside full stop.
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post Jan 23 2015, 08:01 PM
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Hardly surprising to see that Farage has come out against these proposals. He says that it will lead to reduce tax revenue. In other words, he opposes these anti-smoking measures because he thinks they will work.
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post Jan 23 2015, 08:09 PM
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Does this smoking in cars ban include E-cigarettes then? I would guess no since you can use them indoors despite the rules against normal smoking, but you've still got one less hand regularly on the wheel so they should really.

I agree with the majority here that this is a good idea. You may think it's going to be hard to enforce but surely no more so than when people use their phone when driving. It's obviously going to stop some/many from doing it and any decrease in chance of car accidents occurring/affecting passengers' health is great.
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post Jan 23 2015, 08:36 PM
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QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Jan 23 2015, 08:01 PM) *
Hardly surprising to see that Farage has come out against these proposals. He says that it will lead to reduce tax revenue. In other words, he opposes these anti-smoking measures because he thinks they will work.


This a man that wants to run the country - getting tax revenue is better than death and increasing burdens on the NHS!! Or more likely trying to corner the smoking voter..
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