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post Mar 8 2015, 09:07 PM
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If in a few months there is no chart on Radio 1 on Sunday, but the Big Top 40 still stays the same 4-7pm slot on Sunday, would you listen to it just for something to listen to on Sunday Afternoons.

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post Mar 8 2015, 09:09 PM
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I would never listen to the fake chart show, I'm sure R1 aren't planning on moving or axing the chart show though
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post Mar 9 2015, 06:18 AM
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QUOTE(► ▲ N @ Mar 8 2015, 09:09 PM) *
I would never listen to the fake chart show, I'm sure R1 aren't planning on moving or axing the chart show though


But if the chart week shifts to Fri-Thur, would the OCC actually embargo their chart for 3 days, rather than just 19 hours, to keep R1 exclusivity? I can't see any way the info wouldn't leak out anyway, over that long a period...
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post Mar 9 2015, 09:15 AM
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Doesn't half annoy me when people refer to Vodafone Big Top 40 as 'the fake chart', just cause it doesn't include all sales of all formats.

If anything, I find it more enjoyable these days if I do want to listen to a chart rundown (which isn't very often).

It's based on iTunes and airplay only anyway as far as I can remember, so I don't see why it'd HAVE to move.
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post Mar 9 2015, 09:50 AM
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QUOTE(ThePensmith @ Mar 9 2015, 09:15 AM) *
Doesn't half annoy me when people refer to Vodafone Big Top 40 as 'the fake chart', just cause it doesn't include all sales of all formats.



If it includes airplay, to me it is always going to be a fake chart.
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post Mar 9 2015, 11:25 AM
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QUOTE(fchd @ Mar 9 2015, 09:50 AM) *
If it includes airplay, to me it is always going to be a fake chart.


Same as including streaming seems to me
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post Mar 9 2015, 11:28 AM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Mar 9 2015, 06:18 AM) *
But if the chart week shifts to Fri-Thur, would the OCC actually embargo their chart for 3 days, rather than just 19 hours, to keep R1 exclusivity? I can't see any way the info wouldn't leak out anyway, over that long a period...

Many charts around the world are Friday to Thursday such as:
USA - Canada - Germany - Ireland - Japan
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post Mar 9 2015, 11:35 AM
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QUOTE(poppet15 @ Mar 9 2015, 12:28 PM) *
Many charts around the world are Friday to Thursday such as:
USA - Canada - Germany - Ireland - Japan

USA and Canada don't have this type of charts yet. Although most of the charts around the world are Friday to Thursday based.
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post Mar 9 2015, 11:57 AM
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QUOTE(ThePensmith @ Mar 9 2015, 09:15 AM) *
Doesn't half annoy me when people refer to Vodafone Big Top 40 as 'the fake chart', just cause it doesn't include all sales of all formats.

If anything, I find it more enjoyable these days if I do want to listen to a chart rundown (which isn't very often).

It's based on iTunes and airplay only anyway as far as I can remember, so I don't see why it'd HAVE to move.


Well it kinda is "the fake chart" when the top 10 is based on something entirely different to the rest of the chart, at least in my opinion. I mean, I love Cheryl, but her charting twice with I Don't Care because it had two versions top 10 on iTunes at Sunday on 6pm was a bit ridiculous. Fairly sure John Legend's All of Me charted twice too - once in original form and once in Tiesto remix form drama.gif It's just a bit of a mess really to me.

The official chart is the only one that matters to me, because it's what actually counts and is a FAIR reflection of what people have been buying/streaming in the past week. I wouldn't listen to the Big Top 40 if the Radio 1 chart moves, I'd just find something else to do on my Sundays.
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post Mar 9 2015, 01:52 PM
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Don't forget there's also the little-listened to "Ultimate UK Chart with Jason Scott". He can sometimes be a little annoying but it at least hosted like an old school chart show. He reminds me of Clive Warren from Radio 1 in the 90s a little.

What's also annoying is that it claims to be "the chart to trust", when essentially all it is is a prediction for next week's chart based on Sunday's sales, and also claims to include Irish sales, which it clearly doesn't (and why would you want it to?). Assuming that stays on a Sunday it's worth a listen anyway.
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post Mar 9 2015, 04:30 PM
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QUOTE(JosephStyles @ Mar 9 2015, 11:57 AM) *
The official chart is the only one that matters to me, because it's what actually counts and is a FAIR reflection of what people have been buying/streaming in the past week. I wouldn't listen to the Big Top 40 if the Radio 1 chart moves, I'd just find something else to do on my Sundays.


The Official Chart is compiled by the Music Industry so it's highly dubious. It's not a fair reflection of what people are buying and it is certainly not a fair reflection of what people are streaming. It's a controlled chart based on a set of rules that the Music Industry is changing all the time.
In the past people were buying EP's so the Industry blocked them. Then imported CD's, the Industry allowed them, but when the record was released in the UK it was a new entry and the imports cancelled out. People were buying lots of different formats, so then the Industry stepped in again to and reduced the formats eligible for the charts. But when downloads were excepted by the Music Industry there were no format rules for that and you can have 10 downloads of the same track.
The Record Industry controlled the sales of downloads that much by giving iTunes a massive amount of the market, that the top 40 on a Sunday turned into the top 40 of iTunes. Something the BBC didn't like, so pressure was placed on the OCC to bring in streaming to make certain the top 40 doesn't look like the iTunes chart. I think to some extent they have done that!
Streaming was introduced from services where customers don't actually pay for the service. A complex formula devised to limit the streams so as not to alienate iTunes too much. The recent introduction to the album chart has an even more complicated rules to allow some people to listen to four tracks on an album as a part chart share!
The Friday release date has got the Music Industry in a panic as it wants singles - such as this week's Number One - to go in at number one. It would not have if it had been released the Friday before and probably wouldn't have made the top on it's second week. So the Music Industry is pressuring the industry to shift the chart dates.

The OCC simply sucks up to the Music Industry every time, because it's not an independent body. It's a bit like putting the police in charge of crime figures and link them to the police's funding. With crime figures down - money lost from the budget! So the crime figures would go up most of the time.

Making the charts is an expensive business and if the Music Industry funds the body that compiles them then they will never reflect what the public buy or stream, because if the OCC want to make them fair they will do things such as keeping the chart date as they are now. With records entering low and shooting up the charts, but possibly not going to the top the second week.

As for the Independent Radio chart. It was them that created the Sunday chart shows and the fact that Radio One broadcast a top 40 now. Otherwise Radio One would still be doing the top ten, with a presenter doing it like a news reader.
If they keep the "fake" chart to the same timetable and Radio One switches, even if the Radio One charts stays on Sunday, it will be two weeks behind and it will seem very dated alongside the Hit 40.
I don't think the BBC will like that at all - Official or not chart!
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