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'Abortion should be made illegal in the UK'
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HausAlone
post Apr 17 2015, 05:13 PM
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As it currently stands, abortion is legal in the UK up to 24 weeks. However, if there is a substantial risk to the woman's life or foetal abnormalities, there is no time limit. There is also no age limit for treatment. In Ireland the current law is that abortion is illegal except where the pregnancy endangers the mother's life (including the risk of suicide).

The debate this time round, questions whether abortion should be made illegal in the UK to match the current law in Ireland.


If you are FOR in this debate, you support that abortion should be made illegal. AGAINST means that you believe the current law should remain how it is.


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post Apr 17 2015, 05:18 PM
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Against but It's certainly not a confortable choice!
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post Apr 17 2015, 05:24 PM
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Does the law in Ireland say anything if the pregnancy comes about as a result of rape? unsure.gif (genuinely curious)

What it comes down to for me is that a woman should have the right to do what she wants with her body.
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post Apr 17 2015, 05:29 PM
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I have never liked the idea of abortion but I'm against making it illegal. On the one hand, I disagree with taking a life that has barely gotten started and is not at fault in the situation particularly since there are those out there who struggle to conceive. But unwanted pregnancy is not always the result of carelessness and I do not believe that rape victims must be forced to live with the consequences of someone else's crime should they wish not to. I may not like the idea of abortion but we don't live in a perfect world and the choice should be available.
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post Apr 17 2015, 05:31 PM
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QUOTE(J▲hq @ Apr 17 2015, 06:24 PM) *
Does the law in Ireland say anything if the pregnancy comes about as a result of rape? unsure.gif (genuinely curious)

It is not legal even for victims of rape. I found this article about a rape victim who tried to fight for her right to get an abortion but the law would not allow it: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2...nd-abortion-law

Women in Ireland are allowed to travel to the UK or other countries to get an abortion though.
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post Apr 17 2015, 05:37 PM
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I am against this too, though like Spadam it is not a very easy or comfortable decision to make. The main reason is for examples such as the article above - as if rape wasn't horrible enough, an unwanted pregnancy and an inability to do anything about it would make the situation wholly worse. There is also the impact on the child being born and raised by parents that do not want him/her.
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post Apr 17 2015, 05:49 PM
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I'm definitely pro-choice. Especially if the pregnancy is as a result of rape or if the baby or mother's health is in serious danger. The current UK abortion laws seem fair
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post Apr 17 2015, 05:54 PM
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Pretty much similar to the points already made really. Having to destroy a life that hasn't even come into the world yet would be a heartbreaking ordeal, but to outright make it illegal shouldn't be the answer. There could be multiple reasons why a girl wouldn't want to keep a child (e.g. rape) so it's completely unfair to force someone to keep a child that they feel they couldn't cope with. Pro-choice for sure.
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post Apr 17 2015, 06:06 PM
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No. Abortion should not be made illegal. That Guardian article makes Ireland's laws seem 'barbaric', which is a term used there I see. But to that extent of a control over its citizens is just that word.

And, well, in these cases where a baby is not wanted, it erm... decreases the surplus population. Which is minor in its effects admittedly, but when the child would have a poor, suffering quality of life that the parents cannot support, it's... I hesitate to use the word preferable, because killing potential life is not preferable, but it's not all bad. That topic is hard to talk about.

I may be going completely wrong here but if I were (a pregnant girl) in a situation where I would rather kill the child than carry it to term I would certainly not wait as long as 24 weeks and I would have used all forms of contraception prior to this last resort. The earlier it's done, the less icky and morally grey it seems.
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post Apr 17 2015, 06:12 PM
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I am pro-choice and a firm believer that abortion laws should be made by women and not by old white men. (Looking at you Texas)
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post Apr 17 2015, 06:28 PM
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The law in Ireland is absolutely disgusting, some of the ''debate'' about it changing it last year genuinely made me despair for the state of politics on this island, North and South of the border. For a woman not to be allowed the CHOICE at all is just unacceptable.

To that end I agree that the law in the UK is sufficient as it stands, I don't really have any concerns about the time limit, but I do tend to be somewhat nihilistic about things like this. I don't believe that a child being born into conditions where it isn't wanted/is a ''burden'' (something children should NEVER be) is preferable to not having a child/having an abortion. Abortion shouldn't be pushed as an easy solution though, there needs to be more education and awareness in the UK about proper use of preventative measures, but that's a longer term issue of course.

Basically, I am 100% pro-choice, there isn't even a slight bit of a question in my mind.
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post Apr 17 2015, 06:33 PM
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QUOTE(T Boy @ Apr 17 2015, 06:29 PM) *
I have never liked the idea of abortion but I'm against making it illegal.

This essentially what I believe too.

It is an extremely difficult topic to come to any sort of agreement as to whether it's right or not as I understand and, as long as the opinions are respectful of others, respect the two sides of the situation. I don't agree with people thinking they can have endless abortions just because they refuse to use protections but then I wouldn't want them to bring up the child if they don't want it and are going to treat it with the same carelessness. I also think it's a little unfair that the father gets little input in whether the baby should get aborted. I know it's the woman's body and she's the one that will have to carry and care for it for 9 months but it's not the father's fault that things work that way. Then again, a solution to that is to always have protection unless you're actually trying for a baby.
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post Apr 17 2015, 07:11 PM
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Lol no.

Abortion is not taking a life or a baby. At that point it's a collection of cells. It's a woman's prerogative to choose whether or not to carry it to term without meddling male politicians telling her what she can or can't do.
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QUOTE(Silas @ Apr 17 2015, 06:12 PM) *
I am pro-choice and a firm believer that abortion laws should be made by women and not by old white men. (Looking at you Texas)


Preach!!

100% pro-choice.

Get out of their uterus, ol boy politicians!


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post Apr 17 2015, 07:13 PM
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I've never seen how destroying unfeeling cells that have the capacity to become a human is somehow crueller than bringing a baby into the world that isn't wanted by its mother.
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QUOTE(Iz~ @ Apr 17 2015, 06:06 PM) *
No. Abortion should not be made illegal. That Guardian article makes Ireland's laws seem 'barbaric', which is a term used there I see. But to that extent of a control over its citizens is just that word.

And, well, in these cases where a baby is not wanted, it erm... decreases the surplus population. Which is minor in its effects admittedly, but when the child would have a poor, suffering quality of life that the parents cannot support, it's... I hesitate to use the word preferable, because killing potential life is not preferable, but it's not all bad. That topic is hard to talk about.

I may be going completely wrong here but if I were (a pregnant girl) in a situation where I would rather kill the child than carry it to term I would certainly not wait as long as 24 weeks and I would have used all forms of contraception prior to this last resort. The earlier it's done, the less icky and morally grey it seems.


You can't kill a child in that situation as it would be a fetus, a collection of cells.
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post Apr 17 2015, 07:22 PM
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QUOTE(#BJSCSLAYERRRRRR @ Apr 17 2015, 08:13 PM) *
You can't kill a child in that situation as it would be a fetus, a collection of cells.


Is that not just semantics? I mean, sure it makes a difference in our emotional reactions but otherwise that's irrelevant. I'm more comfortable with the idea of early abortions far more than I am with ones approaching the limit.
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post Apr 17 2015, 07:29 PM
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QUOTE(Qassändra @ Apr 17 2015, 08:13 PM) *
I've never seen how destroying unfeeling cells that have the capacity to become a human is somehow crueller than bringing a baby into the world that isn't wanted by its mother.


Just playing devil's advocate here but there are other options-adoption for example-that mean that the being still gets a fair chance to live.

I've made my thoughts clear anyway but I do find if depressing that life can be denied to someone because two people were very slapdash and didn't think of the consequences.

However, I stand by what I said in my first post in this thread.
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post Apr 17 2015, 07:30 PM
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QUOTE(Qassändra @ Apr 17 2015, 08:13 PM) *
I've never seen how destroying unfeeling cells that have the capacity to become a human is somehow crueller than bringing a baby into the world that isn't wanted by its mother.

That's actually a very good point Qassandra!
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It's more than semantics - it's about making sure the discourse doesn't get hijacked by the religious right which often espouses emotional-stirring lexis, e.g, 'doctors killing babies', in order to appeal emotively to people to support their anti-choice viewpoint.
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