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post Apr 25 2015, 12:53 PM
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Our old friend Jameela Jamil jameela.jpg has blogged about that vile woman Katie Hopkins' comments on asylum seekers.

http://jameelajamil.co.uk/post/11733010467...-belong-in-jail
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post Apr 25 2015, 01:35 PM
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It's a brilliantly written piece and completely spot on in every way, though I do wish people/the media would stop giving this troll the attention she so clearly lives off, granted some of the things she writes are truly disgusting, she just gets more panto villain by the day it's tough to actually believe it. Best way is to just ignore her (or better yet, sack her but as if that will ever happen).
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post Apr 25 2015, 01:38 PM
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Could you get a worse argument than this? Swearing left, right and centre, personal insults, assumptions of Katie's life and her children...not to mention that she thinks Katie should be put in jail for posting her opinions on Twitter. If everyone who said something that is considered offensive or controversial were put in jail, there would not be many free people left!

Jameela is entitled to her own opinion as much as the next person is, but I can't stand it when people shut others down and close down discussion by shouting "RACIST" or using something sensitive like rape.
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post Apr 25 2015, 01:41 PM
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isn't jameela on a crusade to stop 14 year olds watching tarmacing porn?

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post Apr 25 2015, 01:43 PM
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There's controversial ("Fat people have the choice to lose weight" for example) and there's calling for immigrants to be shot and killed. That's easily the most disgusting thing she's ever said, I think Jameela is right and it's only what the "shitbag" as she puts it deserves.
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post Apr 25 2015, 02:00 PM
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The 'this is a mother in her fifties' comment is hilarious given Hopkins's age is apparently 40.
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post Apr 25 2015, 02:06 PM
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QUOTE(T Boy @ Apr 25 2015, 03:00 PM) *
The 'this is a mother in her fifties' comment is hilarious given Hopkins's age is apparently 40.

I was wondering whether there was a possibility that this was just an innocent mistake and she meant to say "forties" but it's more likely to be another dig at her, which is pretty rich for Jameela - she doesn't want others to comment on people's race but she's going to sneak in a remark about someone's age.
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post Apr 25 2015, 02:06 PM
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Katie Hopkins is an awful human and should get sacked for those comments, I agree with Jameela as far as that but she shouldn't be put in jail over it. If she was actually inciting violence on foreigners then yes but the quote from the blog post was:

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She said in her most recent abomination of human kind column last week, that she didn’t care if migrants died on their crossing of the mediterranean, that they are similar to cockroaches and that gunboats should be used to deter further arrivals. She added, “No, I don’t care. Show me pictures of coffins, show me bodies floating in water, play violins and show me skinny people looking sad, I still don’t care.”


Awful comment yes but not exactly asking people to go kill these migrants. Wish she wouldn't get so much attention over it anyway as it's clearly attention seeking even if these are her actual viewpoints.

edit: only just noticed the 'gunboat' comment in that manson.gif
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post Apr 25 2015, 02:14 PM
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QUOTE(liamk97 @ Apr 25 2015, 02:38 PM) *
Could you get a worse argument than this? Swearing left, right and centre, personal insults, assumptions of Katie's life and her children...not to mention that she thinks Katie should be put in jail for posting her opinions on Twitter. If everyone who said something that is considered offensive or controversial were put in jail, there would not be many free people left!

Jameela is entitled to her own opinion as much as the next person is, but I can't stand it when people shut others down and close down discussion by shouting "RACIST" or using something sensitive like rape.


Have a sense of perspective please, there's a 'controversial' opinion and then there's calling migrants 'cockroaches' and saying they should be shot (which in most people's terms counts as incitement of racial hatred and that carries a prison sentence). The idea that Ms Jamil is somehow equally guilty just by calling her a shitbag is ludicrous.
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post Apr 25 2015, 02:24 PM
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QUOTE(LexC @ Apr 25 2015, 03:14 PM) *
Have a sense of perspective please, there's a 'controversial' opinion and then there's calling migrants 'cockroaches' and saying they should be shot (which in most people's terms counts as incitement of racial hatred and that carries a prison sentence). The idea that Ms Jamil is somehow equally guilty just by calling her a shitbag is ludicrous.

Playground bullies come up with worse insults than "cockroaches" so it's a bit pathetic for everyone to up in arms about that. Also, is there a quote that actually says she thinks they should be shot? I don't understand what you mean about Jameela being equally guilty, what I'm saying is her argument relies heavily on swearing and personal digs which seems a pretty useless way of arguing to me.
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post Apr 25 2015, 02:34 PM
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I agree with everything Jameela posted on her tumblr post tbh and yes free speech is important to develop as a society but there's a line and Katie Hopkins has viciously passed it too many times in my opinion. Perhaps if Katie concentrated on more positive things (less bitching) from time to time, I would stick up for her but no she's just a bitter woman who wants a bit of attention and encourages racism to continue.
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post Apr 25 2015, 02:37 PM
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I hate when people use the free speech thing in regards to Katie. Yes, we can have free speech, I advocate that of course but there's also such a thing as being a decent human being rather than a twat who's as vile as Katie Hopkins is to pretty much everybody.
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post Apr 25 2015, 02:38 PM
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QUOTE(Mackenzie @ Apr 25 2015, 03:34 PM) *
I agree with everything Jameela posted on her tumblr post tbh and yes free speech is important to develop as a society but there's a line and Katie Hopkins has viciously passed it too many times in my opinion. Perhaps if Katie concentrated on more positive things (less bitching) from time to time, I would stick up for her but no she's just a bitter woman who wants a bit of attention and encourages racism to continue.

You can't put "free speech" and "there's a line" together, that just denies the point of free speech.
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post Apr 25 2015, 02:46 PM
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QUOTE(liamk97 @ Apr 25 2015, 03:38 PM) *
You can't put "free speech" and "there's a line" together, that just denies the point of free speech.


Yes Liam but just because you CAN say something doesn't mean you SHOULD.
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post Apr 25 2015, 02:47 PM
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QUOTE(liamk97 @ Apr 25 2015, 03:24 PM) *
Playground bullies come up with worse insults than "cockroaches" so it's a bit pathetic for everyone to up in arms about that. Also, is there a quote that actually says she thinks they should be shot? I don't understand what you mean about Jameela being equally guilty, what I'm saying is her argument relies heavily on swearing and personal digs which seems a pretty useless way of arguing to me.

"Cockroaches" is a term used by the Nazis to describe Jews. There is also not much point in posting gunboats if you don't intend to use them. Clearly, she is happy (or wants to appear happy) to see boats carrying refugees sunk deliberately. That sounds like advocating mass-murder to me.
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post Apr 25 2015, 02:48 PM
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QUOTE(LexC @ Apr 25 2015, 03:46 PM) *
Yes Liam but just because you CAN say something doesn't mean you SHOULD.

But why shouldn't Katie say what she says? Even if she didn't say it, she'd still be thinking it, so what's really the difference?

Okay, so there may be a time and a place to say things, but Katie is putting her opinions on her Twitter and in her columns of The Sun - people can choose to read these things and, if they do, they need to recognise that she's not going to hold back so there's no point being offended by what you see.
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QUOTE(liamk97 @ Apr 25 2015, 03:38 PM) *
You can't put "free speech" and "there's a line" together, that just denies the point of free speech.

No it doesn't. You don't have the right to shout "fire!" in a crowded theatre (unless there really is a fire, of course).
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post Apr 25 2015, 03:01 PM
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QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Apr 25 2015, 03:47 PM) *
"Cockroaches" is a term used by the Nazis to describe Jews. There is also not much point in posting gunboats if you don't intend to use them. Clearly, she is happy (or wants to appear happy) to see boats carrying refugees sunk deliberately. That sounds like advocating mass-murder to me.

I'm sure the Nazis used a lot of words to describe the Jews. My understanding as to what she meant by gunboats is that there needs to be stronger defense to stop all these people coming over here. The issue in question is that she believes the UK are taking on too many people's problems and that we need to look after ourselves more so than others. I know that a lot of things she says are perhaps extreme but I think that's just her way of getting her opinions out there to encourage people to talk about issues that are swept to one side because we don't want to appear to be 'offending' others.

QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Apr 25 2015, 03:48 PM) *
No it doesn't. You don't have the right to shout "fire!" in a crowded theatre (unless there really is a fire, of course).

That's not really what free speech is about though. I'm talking about being able to say your opinions and people can make a judgement as to whether they agree or disagree, but not to tell someone they can't say anything in the first place.
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post Apr 25 2015, 03:11 PM
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Katie Hopkins says things deliberately to offend people. And it's quite worrying to a point because some people are too easily influenced and some of her views are quite dangerous.

I did warm to Katie in the BB house - but since coming out she's done nothing but troll - I think lots of her fans from her time in be BB house are having a hard time separating the fun Katie they'd vote for with the disgusting troll she really is.

But she's doing all this just get a rise from people like jameela.jpg . Controversy is how she stays relevant.
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post Apr 25 2015, 03:17 PM
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at the end of the day who knows what katie hopkins' agenda is. she's something of a pantomime caricature atm and just throwing out inflammatory statements for the sake of the shock value and whilst i agree that is wrong it's her right to use free speech and it's the job of the rest of us to educate against bigots and phoneys such as herself.

as for jameela...it's like, really? go over a subject that's been raked to death in the wider press to quite intellectual scrutiny and everyone's sort of over. whatever next jameela takes on al-qaeda?

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