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post Jun 5 2015, 02:39 PM
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This week, Idina Menzel's version of 'Let It Go' reached 1.001m, beating Adele & Jason Mraz to the achievement.

Cue the arguments about it not *really* having done so because of streaming... rolleyes.gif
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post Jun 5 2015, 02:49 PM
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Do you know how many sales it's on not including streaming?
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post Jun 5 2015, 02:50 PM
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do you know or are able to estimate how much it's sold without streaming? I'm sure it's not far off getting there on pure sales anyway though, either way it's an amazing achievement for a song that never went top 10
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post Jun 5 2015, 02:57 PM
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I don't know the split, but when streams were first added, ~20% of it's then 540k total were streams. I'd guess that it would be more like 40-50% now.
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post Jun 5 2015, 03:00 PM
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Not really because of streaming.
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post Jun 5 2015, 03:10 PM
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Should we therefore exclude post-2006 million-sellers that didn't sell 1m physical copies...
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post Jun 5 2015, 03:11 PM
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The OCC still aren't including streams in overall sales as far as I'm aware so I think even 'technically' this doesn't count yet.

In any case, 'Let It Go' does clearly have an unfair advantage over the other contenders so moaning about streaming in this scenario is pretty justified. It'd be a fairer comparison if archive streaming data was included for Adele and Jason (I wonder if either or both could possibly be over the mark already if so).
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post Jun 5 2015, 03:11 PM
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Yay absolutley beautiful and amazing track so fitting it holds this record heart.gif heart.gif
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post Jun 5 2015, 03:11 PM
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I think only sales on vinyl should count.
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post Jun 5 2015, 03:20 PM
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QUOTE(¡braydhen! @ Jun 5 2015, 04:11 PM) *
The OCC still aren't including streams in overall sales as far as I'm aware so I think even 'technically' this doesn't count yet.


They are included in overall sales for singles, but not for albums.
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post Jun 5 2015, 05:27 PM
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Idina more relevant than Adele ohmy.gif
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post Jun 5 2015, 06:25 PM
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vidcapper advocates streaming for figures? Things HAVE changed
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post Jun 5 2015, 06:26 PM
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QUOTE(Cody Slayberry @ Jun 5 2015, 06:27 PM) *
Idina more relevant than Adele ohmy.gif


I don't really know if you're being serious, but it doesn't.
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post Jun 5 2015, 06:54 PM
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The OCC do include streams in their overall sales, YTD's, awards & certifications~ biggrin.gif
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post Jun 5 2015, 10:44 PM
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QUOTE(Ethan @ Jun 5 2015, 07:54 PM) *
The OCC do include streams in their overall sales, YTD's, awards & certifications~ biggrin.gif


They do but their present policy is not to publicly declare a song to be a "million-seller" until it's literally sold a million copies.
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post Jun 6 2015, 12:14 AM
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QUOTE(The Hit Parade @ Jun 5 2015, 11:44 PM) *
They do but their present policy is not to publicly declare a song to be a "million-seller" until it's literally sold a million copies.


This is what I was referring to. As of now a song passing one million 'units' is pretty much meaningless because you'd need extremely specialist information to even know about it.

Also certifications are nothing to do with the OCC.
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post Jun 6 2015, 05:26 AM
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QUOTE(The Hit Parade @ Jun 5 2015, 11:44 PM) *
They do but their present policy is not to publicly declare a song to be a "million-seller" until it's literally sold a million copies.


But as streaming becomes ever more dominant, that position will become ever harder to justify, as fewer & fewer songs pass 1m on sales alone.

QUOTE(¡braydhen! @ Jun 6 2015, 01:14 AM) *
This is what I was referring to. As of now a song passing one million 'units' is pretty much meaningless because you'd need extremely specialist information to even know about it.

Also certifications are nothing to do with the OCC.


Not quite, since the BPI use the OCC's figures to determine who has earned them.
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post Jun 6 2015, 07:45 AM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Jun 6 2015, 06:26 AM) *
But as streaming becomes ever more dominant, that position will become ever harder to justify, as fewer & fewer songs pass 1m on sales alone.


In 5 years' time streaming may become so dominant that the very idea of converting streaming points into a 'sale' will seem hopelessly archaic. The year's most popular tracks will be measured in the tens or even hundreds of millions of streams. What genuine sales that do occur we will think of as being converted into streaming points at the rate of 100 points per sale, or whatever ratio exists at that time. The idea of a 'million seller' will become redundant.

It is only at the moment as we go through the transition period when both concepts are running in parallel that everything is a bit messy.


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post Jun 6 2015, 08:44 AM
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QUOTE(Col1967 @ Jun 6 2015, 08:45 AM) *
The idea of a 'million seller' will become redundant.




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Does this strike fear into anyone else's heart?
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post Jun 6 2015, 09:02 AM
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QUOTE(AntoineTTe @ Jun 6 2015, 09:44 AM) *
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Does this strike fear into anyone else's heart?


Not mine, given how many changes I've seen over the years... wink.gif
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