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post Jun 23 2015, 05:14 PM
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What do you think should happen with all the migrants at Calais.

It's not right that lorry drivers get penalised as they can't do much to stop them when the migrants are carrying knives etc.
If I was a lorry driver I wouldn't slow down on the motorway for them I'd mow them down.
The drivers should be watching the traffic not the migrants.

It's the only way to stop them apart from the French sending them back where they come from.
Who knows how many of them may be terrorists etc.

We don't want them and can't cope. The population of the UK has grown by around 20% since the 70s

BRITIAN IS FULL!!


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post Jun 23 2015, 09:30 PM
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QUOTE(poppet15 @ Jun 23 2015, 06:14 PM) *
What do you think should happen with all the migrants at Calais.

It's not right that lorry drivers get penalised as they can't do much to stop them when the migrants are carrying knives etc.
If I was a lorry driver I wouldn't slow down on the motorway for them I'd mow them down.
The drivers should be watching the traffic not the migrants.

It's the only way to stop them apart from the French sending them back where they come from.
Who knows how many of them may be terrorists etc.

We don't want them and can't cope. The population of the UK has grown by around 20% since the 70s

BRITIAN IS FULL!!

Which is a tiny fraction of the growth seen by most of the world. If we're full, what does that make Lagos or Mumbai?
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post Jun 23 2015, 09:33 PM
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QUOTE(poppet15 @ Jun 23 2015, 06:14 PM) *
BRITIAN IS FULL!!

You're quite right. Let's ban all families in Britain from having children. We simply can't cope, we're bursting at the seams. At the very least, we need a one in one out system - no pregnancies until you've had a death in the family.
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QUOTE(poppet15 @ Jun 23 2015, 08:14 PM) *
What do you think should happen with all the migrants at Calais.

It's not right that lorry drivers get penalised as they can't do much to stop them when the migrants are carrying knives etc.
If I was a lorry driver I wouldn't slow down on the motorway for them I'd mow them down.
The drivers should be watching the traffic not the migrants.

It's the only way to stop them apart from the French sending them back where they come from.
Who knows how many of them may be terrorists etc.

We don't want them and can't cope. The population of the UK has grown by around 20% since the 70s

BRITIAN IS FULL!!

Let us get this straight. YOU don't want them. YOU can't cope.

What a nice mix of racism, ignorance, hatred, entitlement and idiocy in one post. By nice i mean hopefully bannable. There is no place for racism or such aggressive behaviour on Buzzjack.
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post Jun 24 2015, 04:31 PM
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I feel sorry for the lorry drivers. As one said on TV, he's a lorry driver NOT a security man/policeman! As the opening post said, many of these people have knifes and wouldn't think twice to use them. Some firms are thinking of having two men on the lorries to have an extra eye, but that will be more expensive and the cost will ultimately be passed on to the consumer as delivery costs rise.

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post Jun 24 2015, 05:06 PM
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Part of the reason for the rise in the rhetoric, as displayed rather ineloquently by the originator of this thread, is the very poor way in which immigration was handled in the early 2000s by Tony Blair's Labour government which came about because of flawed foreign policy and the pursuit of glory in the 2003 Iraq War. A mass influx of (mainly Polish) immigrants into relatively poor communities in the east of England has had a huge impact on them, particularly after the world-wide recession which led to falling living standards and increasingly unaffordable housing. Due these issues, and unfortunately the lack of integration (at first) this has led to huge resentment amongst the indigenous population, including that of the relatively new communities that came over in the 50s and 60s post-war despite once being immigrants themselves!

The fact remains that because of lowering birth-rates our ageing population is in DIRE need of an influx of young & skilled workers from both within and outside Europe. This is in order to fill vacancies and support the ageing population which otherwise will become increasingly difficult to sustain. It is awful to see people driven to this level of desperation (as also displayed in the ongoing Mediterranean crossings) and a solution looks to be sadly decades away - the problem at Calais has been building for a long time but politicians have consistently failed to do anything beyond short-term policies that contain the problem.

With globalisation - until equality is achieved across the world the scenes at Calais are doomed to be repeated.


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post Jun 29 2015, 04:32 PM
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QUOTE(Doctor Blind @ Jun 24 2015, 06:06 PM) *
Part of the reason for the rise in the rhetoric, as displayed rather ineloquently by the originator of this thread, is the very poor way in which immigration was handled in the early 2000s by Tony Blair's Labour government which came about because of flawed foreign policy and the pursuit of glory in the 2003 Iraq War. A mass influx of (mainly Polish) immigrants into relatively poor communities in the east of England has had a huge impact on them, particularly after the world-wide recession which led to falling living standards and increasingly unaffordable housing. Due these issues, and unfortunately the lack of integration (at first) this has led to huge resentment amongst the indigenous population, including that of the relatively new communities that came over in the 50s and 60s post-war despite once being immigrants themselves!

The fact remains that because of lowering birth-rates our ageing population is in DIRE need of an influx of young & skilled workers from both within and outside Europe. This is in order to fill vacancies and support the ageing population which otherwise will become increasingly difficult to sustain. It is awful to see people driven to this level of desperation (as also displayed in the ongoing Mediterranean crossings) and a solution looks to be sadly decades away - the problem at Calais has been building for a long time but politicians have consistently failed to do anything beyond short-term policies that contain the problem.

With globalisation - until equality is achieved across the world the scenes at Calais are doomed to be repeated.

So much of the resentment problem comes from the fact that so much of the country is unaffordable that new immigrants end up clustering in the same places. Obviously human nature means that this would happen to some extent regardless, but it's exaggerated massively by the housing market.
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post Aug 2 2015, 07:35 PM
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The hypocrisy of this government has now plumbed new depths. Earlier this year, the government's attitude towards migrants trying to cross from Africa to Italy could be summarised as "let them drown". They refused to play any significant part in any EU-wide solution. Their attitude towards migrants trying to cross from France to the UK is rather different. Now, suddenly, the EU should be helping Britain and France.

Of course, we cannot expect any sort of consistency or intelligence from a Prime Minister who de-humanises some of the most desperate people on Earth by accusing them of "swarming" to Britain. The man is beneath contempt.
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QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Aug 2 2015, 08:35 PM) *
The hypocrisy of this government has now plumbed new depths. Earlier this year, the government's attitude towards migrants trying to cross from Africa to Italy could be summarised as "let them drown". They refused to play any significant part in any EU-wide solution. Their attitude towards migrants trying to cross from France to the UK is rather different. Now, suddenly, the EU should be helping Britain and France.

Of course, we cannot expect any sort of consistency or intelligence from a Prime Minister who de-humanises some of the most desperate people on Earth by accusing them of "swarming" to Britain. The man is beneath contempt.


It was't just our government though, it was the whole of the EU and the rest of the world. Nobody else wanted to know.

I'm so torn on this subject, but this stuff is what breeds fascism and support for UKIP. I don't mind asylum seekers if they're in danger, but they can claim asylum in so many countries, but they choose Britain. You're meant to claim asylum in the first safe country you visit, not wait and try to cross the border between the UK and France. But now because of this, in all likelihood the rates asylum seekers receive in the future will be lowered due to public pressure, and the increase that is likely, which is wrong on a human level.
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It was't just our government though, it was the whole of the EU and the rest of the world. Nobody else wanted to know.

I'm so torn on this subject, but this stuff is what breeds fascism and support for UKIP. I don't mind asylum seekers if they're in danger, but they can claim asylum in so many countries, but they choose Britain. You're meant to claim asylum in the first safe country you visit, not wait and try to cross the border between the UK and France. But now because of this, in all likelihood the rates asylum seekers receive in the future will be lowered due to public pressure, and the increase that is likely, which is wrong on a human level.

But they don't. Of the 250,000 people who claimed asylum in the EU in the first four months of this year. Just 10,000 (4%) of them applied for asylum in the UK. Greece (a country facing total collapse) has received 63,000 migrants in the first six months of the year.

As for the policy that people should claim asylum in the first safe country they reach, that has always been utterly nonsensical. In the last few years, millions of people have fled Syria for obvious reasons. One third of the population of Lebanon is now made up of Syrian refugees. Jordan has also taken in huge numbers of Syrians. The "first safe country" policy simply does not work.
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post Aug 2 2015, 08:48 PM
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They claim asylum in England because the majority of migrants at 'The Jungle' in Calais are Eritreans, and therefore speak English
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QUOTE(poppet15 @ Jun 23 2015, 06:14 PM) *
What do you think should happen with all the migrants at Calais.

It's not right that lorry drivers get penalised as they can't do much to stop them when the migrants are carrying knives etc.
If I was a lorry driver I wouldn't slow down on the motorway for them I'd mow them down.
The drivers should be watching the traffic not the migrants.

It's the only way to stop them apart from the French sending them back where they come from.
Who knows how many of them may be terrorists etc.

We don't want them and can't cope. The population of the UK has grown by around 20% since the 70s

BRITIAN IS FULL!!



err, no it isn't. people are living longer and the birthrate dropped dramatically so the population was heavily skewed towards fewer younger people's taxes supporting a larger ageing population. That's why immigrants with children weren't viewed as a bad thing until the crash.

"foreigners" ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS get the blame by dick politicians with agendas and ulterior motives, throughout history. They didnt cause the crash nor did they cause the housing crisis, politicians and bankers did and they still aren't doing a single thing about the root problems, choosing instead to focus on issues that won't get rid of the problem but muster up votes.
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post Aug 6 2015, 10:47 AM
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QUOTE(Doctor Blind @ Aug 6 2015, 11:47 AM) *

Exactly
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Heartwarming tweet from UKIP candidate Peter Bucklitsch.

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Cameron's comments yesterday made me thoroughly ashamed to be British, perhaps more than ever before. The fact that he seems to be about to change his mind just makes him look pathetic. Ed Miliband (remember him?) has even more reason to despair at the fact that he was perceived as being weak.
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QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Sep 3 2015, 10:47 PM) *
Cameron's comments yesterday made me thoroughly ashamed to be British, perhaps more than ever before. The fact that he seems to be about to change his mind just makes him look pathetic. Ed Miliband (remember him?) has even more reason to despair at the fact that he was perceived as being weak.


Fully agreed, actually when he axed support for Mediterranean migrant rescue in October 2014 and essentially said 'let them drown' I lost any (little) remaining respect I had for him.
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Cameron is loathesome, pandering to the UKIP selfish voters looking for someone to blame (when it's the rich and powerful who are to blame, having created the situations both here and abroad, allowing evil lunatics to wreak havoc).

Anyone who votes Tory or UKIP at the next election does so in the full knowledge that they all support the "I'm all right Jack" parties.

Incidentally, it's equally heartwarming that the rich Gulf States regard their fellow Islam brothers as unworthy of assistance, while the largely-infidel eurozone do more (when forced to). It's time the West stopped pandering to their own particular brand of hypocrisy when they actually do nothing to help those in need in their own region (this doesn't include a few nearby countries who do accept refugees).

Imagine a world where Germany successfully invaded the UK and people left in droves for the USA to be greeted with "let 'em drown" and "greedy sods just letting their kids drown shoulda stayed where they were". The UK in WW2, despite being essentially poverty-stricken, didn't turn away refugees. For a rich country like the UK (we are rich) to sit back and watch small children die (yes it's emotive because it's true) is reprehensible. People don't risk their lives to get better wages, they risk their lives because they are frightened of being murdered by an evil regime.

Anyone who does not share this point of view feel free to let everyone else appreciate your charm to the full, just like Mr Bucklitsch, a man with a good old-fashioned English name. f***ing hypocrite.
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QUOTE(Doctor Blind @ Sep 3 2015, 10:56 PM) *
Fully agreed, actually when he axed support for Mediterranean migrant rescue in October 2014 and essentially said 'let them drown' I lost any (little) remaining respect I had for him.



You're overlooking the fact that a lot of UK people probably agreed with him then. I know several that have no sympathy whatsoever for the immigrants dying, even the two little boys, as if they'd stayed where they were, as bad as it may be for some, at least they'd still be alive.
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You're overlooking the fact that a lot of UK people probably agreed with him then. I know several that have no sympathy whatsoever for the immigrants dying, even the two little boys, as if they'd stayed where they were, as bad as it may be for some, at least they'd still be alive.


How can you, or these people you know, even read that back and not see how horrible that sounds? Condemning people to a life under an oppressive and dangerous regime rather than letting them dare try sup at the table of the rich Europeans?

At least with this latest wave of news public opinion (and consequently Cameron's remarkable feat of back-pedaling) seems to be swaying to the realisation that these people are actually human, and they would not be risking their life if they had any chance at any sort of meaningful existence back where they came from.
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