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post Jul 12 2015, 07:50 PM
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Following the Ariana Grande scandal and people saying it's a bad example to her fans, do you think swearing in music is bad for children and fans? I'm not one to complain about swearing given how much I do it blush.gif, and in my school most people swore in the playground by the time we were 11.

Do you think swearing in music should be discouraged? Vote yes for yes it should and no for no it shouldn't.

Interested to see conflicting views on this! (I think we all know what Barbaric Dan's going to vote tho)
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post Jul 12 2015, 07:53 PM
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I f***ing love cussing in music.

Children are irrelevant, tbh. We have kidz bop for a reason.


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post Jul 12 2015, 07:55 PM
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there's been another Ariana scandal?!? or did I just miss the part where she was swearing in the 'doughnuts/I hate America' scandal.

don't really care about swearing in music myself, though it should be discouraged if your main fanbase is mostly children
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post Jul 12 2015, 08:03 PM
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Yes there should still be clean edits of songs, but when there's rap songs and there's so many blanked words it gets quite annoying. Sometimes they replace swearing with blanks and sometimes more friendly words (like bitch to chick) but why can't they do this every time instead of a blank? banghead.gif
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post Jul 12 2015, 08:06 PM
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I don't mind swearing in music generally, most songs with swearing in them have a non-explicit version for radio play etc anyway. I do prefer listening to "cleaner" versions though because I don't really swear, I know people say it's different when you're singing along to a song but still, I guess it's just being brought up thinking swearing is wrong it still makes me feel like I'm doing something I'm not supposed to if I say it laugh.gif

The amount of songs that are about "adult" topics though that little kids don't understand the meaning of and sing along to is just as bad as having a swear word in a song imo, they're still gonna hear swearing one way or another so I don't think it's really a big deal. Music videos as well, there doesn't seem to be much of a filter on them anymore either tongue.gif
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post Jul 12 2015, 08:11 PM
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QUOTE(Lindsey ♌ @ Jul 12 2015, 09:06 PM) *
I don't mind swearing in music generally, most songs with swearing in them have a non-explicit version for radio play etc anyway. I do prefer listening to "cleaner" versions though because I don't really swear, I know people say it's different when you're singing along to a song but still, I guess it's just being brought up thinking swearing is wrong it still makes me feel like I'm doing something I'm not supposed to if I say it laugh.gif

The amount of songs that are about "adult" topics though that little kids don't understand the meaning of and sing along to is just as bad as having a swear word in a song imo, they're still gonna hear swearing one way or another so I don't think it's really a big deal. Music videos as well, there doesn't seem to be much of a filter on them anymore either tongue.gif


I agree on the adult themes. Being a 10 year old in a Catholic school at the time, I can only imagine what teachers thought of the kids singing Horny and Boom Boom Boom Boom without really knowing what they meant back in the 90s.
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post Jul 12 2015, 08:26 PM
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I dont mind Swearing in songs but songs with Adult themes is a different matter as kids sing along without knowing what the song is about I.e. Jessie J Bang Bang for example.
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post Jul 12 2015, 08:30 PM
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QUOTE(harryflynn0908 @ Jul 12 2015, 09:26 PM) *
I dont mind Swearing in songs but songs with Adult themes is a different matter as kids sing along without knowing what the song is about I.e. Jessie J Bang Bang for example.

If they don't know what they're singing about then what's the harm? Literally the only thing that happens regarding kids singing along to sexual songs without knowing is realising it a decade or two later and then laughing at what you never realised at the time.
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post Jul 12 2015, 08:38 PM
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QUOTE(Umi @ Jul 12 2015, 09:30 PM) *
If they don't know what they're singing about then what's the harm? Literally the only thing that happens regarding kids singing along to sexual songs without knowing is realising it a decade or two later and then laughing at what you never realised at the time.

That's true we were all probably like that when younger laugh.gif
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post Jul 12 2015, 08:47 PM
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reminds me of the time an adult overheard me saying how I really liked 'S&M' laugh.gif (had to explain it was the Rihanna song, not actual S&M)
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post Jul 12 2015, 08:48 PM
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I don't really have any problem with it when it hasn't been done on purpose to drive attention towards the track.

However, when it has*, as per “Fuck It (I Don’t Want You Back)” and “F.U.R.B. (F U Right Back)” it clearly demonstrates a lack of inspiration and thus should be derided for the mess that it is. I think the most offensive Top 75 hit is Kunt And The Gang's “Use My Arsehole As A c**t” (#66 in December 2010) which you kind of hoped made the Top 40 just to see how Reggie would have announced it. laugh.gif


* An exception to this is the Smokie/Roy 'Chubby' Brown's version of “Living Next Door To Alice (Who The Fuck Is Alice)” which just worked for some reason.
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post Jul 12 2015, 08:52 PM
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QUOTE(Doctor Blind @ Jul 12 2015, 09:48 PM) *
I think the most offensive Top 75 hit is Kunt And The Gang's “Use My Arsehole As A c**t” (#66 in December 2010) which you kind of hoped made the Top 40 just to see how Reggie would have announced it. laugh.gif

I remember that christmas #1 campaign laugh.gif I would've loled if that made top 40, I imagine it would be introduced as 'there's a new entry at #33 from K And The Gang but at #32...' just to get around having to say the title (let alone actually play the song)

the guy behind it was very pleased with the position anyway as it was one place ahead of The Beatles 'Let It Be'
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post Jul 12 2015, 09:07 PM
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On a personal level, I don't really care much for swearing. I don't like doing it, and tend to avoid it as much as I can. But, on the other hand, I know that other people don't necessarily hold the same view and I respect that. That said, swearing (like anything in music) is a tool, and whether the lyrics of a song swears or not doesn't really have an effect on the quality of the song. It's more in the way that it's used that effects it. There are a few songs where a...colorful use of...colorful language gives the song a little more "umph", so to speak (examples off the top of my head: "Boulevard of Broken Dreams" by Green Day, a certain 2011 Cee Lo Green song (you know the one), "Master Exploder" by Tenacious D, "As I Am" by Dream Theater). On the other hand, using it wrong or badly can really lessen the quality of the song ("Jackpot" by 311, "This Summer's Gonna Hurt" by Maroon 5, "Psycho" by Muse, "Earth Day" by Devin Townsend).

But I think the main problem with poor use of swearing in music is this weird perception in the arts that "edgy" is a synonym for "better". So the edgier it is and the more they swear and do controversial things, the higher the quality of the song will be and the more it'll sell, right? Except, in reality, that shows a lack of creativity on the part of the artist who has to rely more on a gimmicky controversy to make their song good or sell. Which is a bit of a pet peeve of mine. :/
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post Jul 12 2015, 09:09 PM
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I really don't mind swearing in songs most of the time. In some cases I do prefer the clean version though where it's sometimes a bit much, such as in Anaconda by Nicki Minaj. Most of the time though, it really doesn't bother me, swearing doesn't offend me particularly.
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post Jul 12 2015, 09:17 PM
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But won´t SOMEBODY please think of the CHILDREN??!!!
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post Jul 12 2015, 09:19 PM
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I don't mind the odd swear word in songs at all unless it comes off in a gratuitous fashion, in which case it can be a little off-putting.
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post Jul 12 2015, 09:21 PM
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It has its place. I think it works best when it feels entirely natural to the track - like, the current Maroon 5 single has to have one of the most cringeworthy titles ever.
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QUOTE(andreweeyor @ Jul 12 2015, 03:50 PM) *
Do you think swearing in music should be discouraged? Vote yes for yes it should and no for no it shouldn't.


No. That's what parental advisory labels are for. They have clean versions of everything as well.
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post Jul 12 2015, 10:04 PM
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I think if swearing can be avoided, then always take the non explicit option.

Outside of recordings I do think anyone in the music industry should avoid using swearing - for example I've seen retweeted on Twitter a few times Louis from 1D having posted tweets with swear words in. Just concerning how someone who is so respected/looked up to by young fans doesn't really care for use of language, that's equally bothering for me.
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post Jul 12 2015, 10:36 PM
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I don't mind the split between the explicit and clean versions, but like Qassandra said, there is a fine line in censoring where it seems so natural that editing can damage the overall appeal of the song (i.e. "Work Bitch").

Then there are instances like Radio Disney where they dilute the song so much that the overall power of the song is gone (i.e. their edit of "Stitches", which is GRATING).
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