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Who ahould be the leader of the Labour Party?
Who should it be?
Andy Burnham [ 6 ] ** [14.29%]
Yvette Cooper [ 12 ] ** [28.57%]
Liz Kendall [ 7 ] ** [16.67%]
Jeremy Corbyn [ 16 ] ** [38.10%]
RON [ 1 ] ** [2.38%]
Total Votes: 49
  
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post Jul 13 2015, 12:46 PM
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The last topic was getting a bit big, so I've started a new topic with an updated poll reflecting the 4 people who made the shortlist (plus RON ie Reopen Nominations) if none of the four match your high expectations.
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post Jul 13 2015, 08:19 PM
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Andy Burnham should be leader, but will probably vote for Corbyn. The Labour high command are clearly not going to learn unless he has a strong showing.
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post Jul 14 2015, 12:28 AM
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Rachel Reeves is still putting me off Burnham. Cooper just seems that bit sharper at the moment.
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post Jul 14 2015, 11:05 AM
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Still waiting for Yvette to actually say anything.
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post Jul 14 2015, 01:08 PM
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QUOTE(Qassändra @ Jul 14 2015, 12:05 PM) *
Still waiting for Yvette to actually say anything.

She was excellent when I saw her last week. Her oratory style seems a bit more accessible than Andy's as well.
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post Jul 15 2015, 12:26 AM
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Latest tally of nominations from local Labour branches:

Leader:

Burnham - 48
Corbyn - 39
Cooper - 29
Kendall - 5


Deputy:

Tom Watson - 40
Stella Creasy - 19
Caroline Flint - 9
Angela Eagle - 6
Ben Bradshaw - 4
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post Jul 15 2015, 07:48 AM
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Looking like it'll be a male leader and deputy then.
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post Jul 15 2015, 02:30 PM
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QUOTE(Common Sense @ Jul 15 2015, 08:48 AM) *
Looking like it'll be a male leader and deputy then.

Not necessarily - CLP meetings aren't *necessarily* representative of the actual vote. There's a distinct 'Anyone But Tom' movement on that front and Stella will probably win if it succeeds, as she has similar levels of cross-party appeal.

That said two private polls from different leadership camps have just come out showing Corbyn's on track to finish a very clear first (by over 15 points according to one) in the first round so it's a bit like quibbling over what colour the lifeboat is.
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post Jul 15 2015, 04:59 PM
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No discussion on this? He seemed to come across better than Krishnan to me.

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post Jul 15 2015, 05:41 PM
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From Telegragh online.

Jeremy Corbyn, the hard left Labour leadership candidate, is ahead in the race to succeed Ed Miliband by more than 15 points, private polling by his rivals suggests.

Mr Corbyn, who was a last minute entry into the contest, now looks set for victory and has taken a “commanding position” ahead of his rivals Andy Burnham, Yvette Cooper and Liz Kendall.

Mr Corbyn, 66, is a veteran socialist who has called for an anti-austerity economic policy and struggled earlier this week to explain during a Channel 4 News appearance why he previously described the Islamist militant organisations Hamas and Hezbollah as 'friends'.

He has also collected 40 nominations from local parties, leaving him just eight behind the favourite Mr Burnham.

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post Jul 15 2015, 06:04 PM
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The Telegraph story shows Corbyn second on first preference votes, six percent behind Burnham. They don't give any other real figures, so it is hard to know what to make of it. With a long way to go before the final vote, it should be taken with a very large dose of salt.
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post Jul 15 2015, 06:51 PM
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There's also a leadership election for another party shortly being conveniently ignored. One with a candidate who voted against the much-hated uni fees, who went to a comprehensive. I wonder if anyone knows which of the candidates for the Labour party who went to comprehensive school is intending to campaign to reverse them and take them back to where they were when the Labour party originally introduced them?

Or reduce them to 6k?

just asking tongue.gif
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QUOTE(popchartfreak @ Jul 15 2015, 07:51 PM) *
There's also a leadership election for another party shortly being conveniently ignored. One with a candidate who voted against the much-hated uni fees, who went to a comprehensive. I wonder if anyone knows which of the candidates for the Labour party who went to comprehensive school is intending to campaign to reverse them and take them back to where they were when the Labour party originally introduced them?

Or reduce them to 6k?

just asking tongue.gif

The result of that election is announced tomorrow. I'll be very surprised if Tim Farron doesn't win.
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Tim Farron will be a marvelous Lib Dem leader, even though he does bear a striking resemblance to Harold Saxon aka The Master as portrayed by John Simm.
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QUOTE(Brett-Butler @ Jul 15 2015, 08:10 PM) *
Tim Farron will be a marvelous Lib Dem leader, even though he does bear a striking resemblance to Harold Saxon aka The Master as portrayed by John Simm.

He first stood for parliament (in his early 20s) in the safe Labour seat of North West Durham. His Tory opponent was Theresa May. It is still possible that they could both be party leaders by the time of the next election.
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QUOTE(Brett-Butler @ Jul 15 2015, 08:10 PM) *
Tim Farron will be a marvelous Lib Dem leader, even though he does bear a striking resemblance to Harold Saxon aka The Master as portrayed by John Simm.


I see that a positively good reason to vote for him laugh.gif

Fingers crossed!

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Finding it strange that Britain's main liberal party will soon be led by a man who doesn't support equal marriage.

And the other one by a man who doesn't support equal adoption basil.gif
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QUOTE(Soy Adrián @ Jul 15 2015, 11:15 PM) *
Finding it strange that Britain's main liberal party will soon be led by a man who doesn't support equal marriage.

And the other one by a man who doesn't support equal adoption basil.gif

But he does support equal marriage. He agonised over it - because of his religion - but he got there in the end.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/m...y-marriage-vote
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post Jul 16 2015, 01:47 AM
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QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Jul 15 2015, 07:04 PM) *
The Telegraph story shows Corbyn second on first preference votes, six percent behind Burnham. They don't give any other real figures, so it is hard to know what to make of it. With a long way to go before the final vote, it should be taken with a very large dose of salt.

That would be because the Telegraph story totally botched its churnalist attempt to transcribe the story from the New Statesman. The original New Statesman article said no such thing - it said in a point separate from the reporting of the private polls that if constituency nominations were transcribed to votes, Burnham would be on 39% and Corbyn on 33%. The dim hack who typed the story up for the Telegraph from the New Statesman took that to mean that the polls had Burnham leading but that Corbyn pulled 15 points ahead on second preferences.
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QUOTE(popchartfreak @ Jul 15 2015, 07:51 PM) *
There's also a leadership election for another party shortly being conveniently ignored. One with a candidate who voted against the much-hated uni fees, who went to a comprehensive. I wonder if anyone knows which of the candidates for the Labour party who went to comprehensive school is intending to campaign to reverse them and take them back to where they were when the Labour party originally introduced them?

Or reduce them to 6k?

just asking tongue.gif

As has been repeated to exhaustion, I couldn't give less of a damn about tuition fees as I do about a party which screamed piety for a generation about no broken promises going back on its most totemic promise. And even before we get into the tiresome justifications about manifestos, the NUS pledge to always vote against any rises and for tuition fees to be abolished - with photographs of candidates posing with it proudly displayed on most election materials - is a pretty cast-iron promise. It goes over and above a typical broken promise. It's the equivalent of a priest having 'thou shalt not steal' as his signature sermon then robbing the church coffers the second he's promoted to bishop.

And yes, I'd be just as judgemental of it had Labour made a promise as much a centrepiece of its campaign and done literally the opposite once elected - which, no, before you repeat it, Labour committing to no top-up fees in 2001 was nowhere near at a similar level of prominence for. It also didn't come from a party that had attempted total piety over the grubby realities of politics prior to that point.

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But yes, as the closest the Lib Dems come to a penance candidate, Farron probably is the best choice. Particularly for giving them a base for scooping up the handwringers that are currently with Labour (who'd likely be most iffy if Andy were elected) or any particularly pro-EU Labour voters should Corbyn get elected.

Ugh, I've just realised that if we get the (still very likely) result of Cameron-Andy-Tim as the three leaders all three have notably dodgy past LGBT rights records.
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