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post Aug 20 2015, 10:41 PM
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20 years ago today (20 August 1995) saw one of the most famous chart battles ever, as Britpop rivals Blur and Oasis went head-to-head. Blur were victorious, and the two songs would remain #1 and #2 the following week as well.

Overall, of course, Oasis have been far more successful.

The full top 10 and other notable entries in the top 40 that week:

1 (-) Blur - Country House
2 (-) Oasis - Roll With It
3 (2) Original - I Luv U Baby
4 (1) Take That - Never Forget
5 (4) TLC - Waterfalls
6 (-) Clock - Everybody
7 (6) JX - Son Of A Gun
8 (-) Madonna - Human Nature
9 (5) Seal - Kiss From A Rose/I'm Alive
10 (7) Corona - Try Me Out

12 (-) Charlatans - Just When You're Thinkin' Things Over
14 (-) Xpansions 95 - Move Your Body
15 (-) Michelle Gayle - Happy Just To Be With You
19 (-) Real McCoy - Come And Get Your Love
23 (-) Bjork - Isobel
25 (-) Ali Campbell - Let Your Yeah Be Yeah
27 (-) Happy Clappers - Hold On
32 (-) Eusebe - Summertime Healing
34 (re) Smokie ft Roy 'Chubby' Brown - Living Next Door To Alice (Who The F**k Is Alice)
39 (-) Cyndi Lauper - Come On Home
40 (-) Matt Goss - The Key

And then exactly 5 years to the day later (20 August 2000) was another famous chart battle, this time between Spiller and Truesteppers (the latter featuring Dane Bowers and Victoria Beckham). On this occasion the latter lead for much of the week, but Spiller obtained a large weekend surge (helped by a TOTP performance on the Friday night despite the record having not yet charted) and ultimately won by a reasonable margin. This was the closest Victoria Beckham came to reaching #1 outside of the Spice Girls.

The full top 10 and other notable entries in the top 40 that week:

1 (-) Spiller - Groovejet (If This Ain't Love)
2 (-) Truesteppers ft Dane Bowers & Victoria Beckham - Out Of Your Mind
3 (2) Robbie Williams - Rock DJ
4 (1) Melanie C - I Turn To You
5 (-) Britney Spears - Lucky
6 (4) Bomfunk MCs - Freestyler
7 (3) Craig David - 7 Days
8 (6) Storm - Time To Burn
9 (5) Janet Jackson - Doesn't Really Matter
10 (8) Eminem - The Real Slim Shady

12 (-) Hi-Gate - I Can Hear Voices/Caned And Unable
18 (19) Wookie ft Lain - Battle
22 (-) Christian Falk - Make It Right
23 (-) JJ72 - Oxygen
30 (-) Spin City - Landslide
31 (-) Queens Of The Stone Age - The Lost Art Of Keeping A Secret
37 (-) Electrique Boutique - Revelation

The following week was also a notable one - all of the top 10 dropped 1 place with Madonna entering at #1.
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post Aug 20 2015, 10:45 PM
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happy.gif The better songs won in the end!
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post Aug 20 2015, 10:51 PM
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And if my maths is right, since charts were announced on Tuesday in 1985 it was 30 years ago that Whitney Houston made her Top 100 debut, with a single that peaked at 93:

1. (1) Madonna Into The Groove
2. (3) UB40 I Got You Babe ft Chrissie Hynde
3. (2) Madonna Holiday {1985 re-entry}
4. (9) Kate Bush Running Up That Hill
5. (8) The Cars Drive {1985 re-entry}
6. (5) Dire Straits Money For Nothing
7. (4) Tina Turner We Don't Need Another Hero (Thunderdome)
8. (7) Billy Idol White Wedding
9. (6) Eurythmics There Must Be An Angel (Playing With My Heart)
10. (11) Princess Say I'm Your Number One

34. (NE) Marc Almond Stories Of Johnny
40. (NE) Dan Hartman I Can Dream About You {1985 re-issue}

45. (NE) Bananarama Do Not Disturb
58. (NE) Sting Love Is The Seventh Wave
66. (NE) Maria Vidal Body Rock
71. (NE) Mötley Crüe Smokin' In The Boys Room
80. (NE) Hipsway Ask The Lord
83. (NE) Dusty Springfield Sometimes Like Butterflies
85. (NE) Mercy Mercy What Are We Gonna Do About It
91. (NE) Sharon Brown I Specialise In Love {1985 re-issue}
91. (NE) Philip Oakey And Giorgio Moroder Be My Lover Now
93. (NE) Whitney Houston You Give Good Love
95. (NE) The Stylistics Love Is Not The Answer
98. (NE) Mr Angry I'm So Angry ft Steve Wright
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post Aug 21 2015, 06:05 AM
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Out of Your Mind is very underrated - the music is really good, even if the vocals are kinda rubbish. Of course, Groovejet is wonderful too but I can't help wondering if Sophie had listened to to much Sing it Back when she was writing the verse melody.

Country House is also underrated - Graham Coxon filled the song with quirky guitar. I much prefer it to the likes of Parklife or Tracey Jacks.
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post Aug 21 2015, 08:40 AM
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Not something to celebrate.

I see the moment John Humphries mentioned Oasis and Blur on the news as the death of indie music. Both bands released their worst singles to date and the flood gates opened for a generation of dad rock. Even bands who had been good up until that point (Supergrass, Ash, Pulp...) began to seriously dip in quality. Bands who had quite rightfully never made much of an impact up until then (Verve, Ocean Colour Scene, Dodgy...) started to hit the top 10.

Moan, grumble etc. But does anyone agree with me?
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post Aug 21 2015, 09:18 AM
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QUOTE(richie @ Aug 21 2015, 09:40 AM) *
Not something to celebrate.

I see the moment John Humphries mentioned Oasis and Blur on the news as the death of indie music. Both bands released their worst singles to date and the flood gates opened for a generation of dad rock. Even bands who had been good up until that point (Supergrass, Ash, Pulp...) began to seriously dip in quality. Bands who had quite rightfully never made much of an impact up until then (Verve, Ocean Colour Scene, Dodgy...) started to hit the top 10.

Moan, grumble etc. But does anyone agree with me?

Actually I couldn't disagree with you more laugh.gif
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post Aug 21 2015, 09:26 AM
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I've uploaded the 1995 chart show in full here:

http://www.mediafire.com/download/dmsvk614...+1995-08-20.zip
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post Aug 21 2015, 11:29 AM
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QUOTE(Mango @ Aug 21 2015, 10:18 AM) *
Actually I couldn't disagree with you more laugh.gif


That's fine, most people would say the exact opposite to me. But I really think the general "indie" sound was better before August 1995 than after.
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post Aug 21 2015, 12:24 PM
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QUOTE(richie @ Aug 21 2015, 09:40 AM) *
Not something to celebrate.

I see the moment John Humphries mentioned Oasis and Blur on the news as the death of indie music. Both bands released their worst singles to date and the flood gates opened for a generation of dad rock. Even bands who had been good up until that point (Supergrass, Ash, Pulp...) began to seriously dip in quality. Bands who had quite rightfully never made much of an impact up until then (Verve, Ocean Colour Scene, Dodgy...) started to hit the top 10.

Moan, grumble etc. But does anyone agree with me?


I disagree with so much of this.

You mean to say Supergrass got worse, not better? In it for the Money and Supergrass were superior to I Should Coco. Different Class was a step down? What?

And I would much rather have Ocean Colour Scene's The Day We Caught the Train, The Circle and Hundred Mile High City in the Top 10 than Gina G, Spice Girls, Boyzone or Peter Bloody Andre.

The same for The Verve and Dodgy's stuff.

Britpop gets a bad rap - but think of the alternative? A mid-90s with boy and girl bands, novelty dance music, Celine Dion....and nothing else!



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post Aug 21 2015, 12:30 PM
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QUOTE(richie @ Aug 21 2015, 12:29 PM) *
That's fine, most people would say the exact opposite to me. But I really think the general "indie" sound was better before August 1995 than after.



What about Super Furry Animals, Radiohead, Betaband, Bjork, Mercury Rev, PJ Harvey?

Do you think there was nothing to be said by all the kids that got turned on to guitar music in 1995 and afterwards?
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post Aug 21 2015, 01:07 PM
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QUOTE(AntoineTTe @ Aug 21 2015, 01:24 PM) *
You mean to say Supergrass got worse, not better? In it for the Money and Supergrass were superior to I Should Coco.


The fun and urgency of Caught By the Fuzz, Mansize Rooster - even Alright - were gone. I dunno, Oasis seemed to just dampen everything with some kind of stodgy haze and everyone took a cue from it.

QUOTE(AntoineTTe @ Aug 21 2015, 01:24 PM) *
Different Class was a step down? What?


I'd say it's a massive step down from His 'n' Hers and the singles that immediately preceded it. Yes! I actually forget that Different Class came out just after the "Britpop war" but it's certainly not Pulp's best album.

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What about Super Furry Animals, Radiohead, Betaband, Bjork, Mercury Rev, PJ Harvey?


With the exception of the Betas who had not quite formed as The Beta Band, they were all already around before then.

Radiohead, Bjork, Mercury Rev and PJ Harvey all arguably produced their best work before August 1995.

Of course there will be exceptions to my rule - it's not a thought out theory, it's just that I reckon that's when things changed. I could just as easily point at Wake Up Boo! by the Boo Radleys as being the turning point a few months earlier.

"Indie" was getting into the top 10 but the plodding, popularised version of what it had been was not a continuation nor an improvement and the term started to belong to a much wider range of music. Before that, to say you were "into indie" to someone was greeted with the same bands. In the second half of the 90s, if you said you were into indie music people were as likely to say "Oh, like Kula Shaker or Space?" as they were to say, "oh, like The Beta Band or Urusei Yatsura"?

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Do you think there was nothing to be said by all the kids that got turned on to guitar music in 1995 and afterwards?


I'd imagine there are some of them on music forums just now claiming that the Arctic Monkeys coming along was when indie died and that they could never match up to the Stereophonics etc.
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My goodness, 15 years since Posh vs Spiller? I remember it well...with hindsight I almost feel like the press deliberately orchestrated Victoria to 'fail' per se by having virtually every news channel and paper following her progress day by day that week.

Let's not forget this was before David became a national hero because of that free kick in the World Cup qualifier a year later, and six months before they did their Comic Relief 'interview' with Ali G that won them a wider audience, so any chance to knock down the Posh & Becks poppy, so to speak, was revelled in by the media at the time.

It was the highest selling #2 record of the year, and would have been number one in any other instance (in fact it outsold the following week's #1 from Madonna by 25,000). 'Groovejet' has dated better by far though, although 'Out of Your Mind' is still one of the more memorable solo Spice efforts. 'Let Your Head Go' was Victoria's finest hour overall for me though, and I liked her first album. Better than Mel B's lame attempt at R&B anyway.

I don't oddly remember too much of Blur v Oasis, but then I was about 6 at the time. My sister was a big Blur fan though, I remember her playing the 'Parklife' album quite a lot.
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post Aug 21 2015, 02:15 PM
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Richie, I think you need to re-evaluate all that. Radiohead in no way produced their best work in 1995 - and I would venture to.say that that is unarguable. The same with Bjork. Supergrass matured - they hardly took their cues from Oasis, in any case. Even Blur went on to do amazing stuff on 13.

And that's even before I get to mention Mansun's Six or Massive Attack's Mezzanine!!


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post Aug 24 2015, 09:01 AM
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QUOTE(AntoineTTe @ Aug 21 2015, 03:15 PM) *
Richie, I think you need to re-evaluate all that. Radiohead in no way produced their best work in 1995 - and I would venture to.say that that is unarguable. The same with Bjork. Supergrass matured - they hardly took their cues from Oasis, in any case. Even Blur went on to do amazing stuff on 13.

And that's even before I get to mention Mansun's Six or Massive Attack's Mezzanine!!


Heh, we'll have to agree to disagree!

The Bends is the best Radiohead album and, although OK Computer is good, I can't really listen to anything from Kid A onwards. I've tried, but it just seems to me that all the acts they were taking influence from were much, much better at it than them.

I also think Bjork's work with the Sugarcubes and on Debut are her best.

Blur recovered slightly with their self-titled comeback after the embarrassing pool party that was The Great Escape but 13 was self-indulgent and very, very boring I thought.

Never liked Mansun much - they were real also-rans.

Mezzanine is nowhere near as good as Blue Lines or Protection!

But, as I said, it's probably everything to do with how old we are when we get into things.
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