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HausAlone
post Jan 10 2016, 12:08 PM
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A very topical debate now and one featured on the BBC's Big Questions this morning. On Tuesday junior doctors across the country will be going on strike against the harsh changes to working conditions that they will be facing.

Now this obviously poses risks to patients, but doctors are ensuring that non-junior doctors or doctors not striking will be covering their shifts and their patients. It will also if successful lead to an improvement into the conditions for them and prevent them from emigrating or leaving the profession altogether. Conditions are currently bad, the government changes will make this even more difficult for them. The junior doctors are only going to provide emergency care on this day and stress that public safety is not as risk. But is this moral for them to do so?

There is more information about this complex debate here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35268824 but in general, what are your views? Should doctors be able to strike despite the possible implications to patients in need.

If you are FOR you believe doctors should NOT be able to strike.
If you are AGAINST you believe doctors SHOULD be able to strike.


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post Jan 10 2016, 12:11 PM
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This is a very interesting debate for me because my brother is a junior doctor and is actively involved in the debate. He was evidently upset about the proposed changes, and while he isn't personally on strike (or working) that day he does support that they should be able to go on strike.

They do so much work looking after others for little or no reward, but who is looking after them?
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post Jan 10 2016, 03:24 PM
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I work for the Underground! I love a good strike! Everyone should have the right to fight for better pay / working conditions!

In full support of the junior doctors here, I mean it would feel a bit hypocritical not to be.
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post Jan 10 2016, 03:46 PM
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It's good to see they've gone to lengths to provide medical healthcare during the strike. I'm not certain where I stand on the actual issue, but in general I believe that workers should have the right to strike to show discontent.

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post Jan 10 2016, 04:09 PM
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Hmm this just comes back to the whole NHS debate. There is little money for wage rises - however if you don't give wage rises then the 'talent' ends up leaving to the private sector. Vicious circle and one that can't be stopped without some significant investment.
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post Jan 10 2016, 05:06 PM
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Yeah, I don't see why not??! With their shifts being covered, obviously if they weren't it would be the opposite.
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post Jan 10 2016, 05:45 PM
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They deserve a right to strike. I have one in my profession though I've never used it. Being able to strike doesn't mean that everyone will but if people can strike in other jobs due to working conditions then I believe that everyone should be able to.
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post Jan 10 2016, 07:14 PM
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I firmly believe in their right to strike and I very firmly back the Junior Doctors here.

It's funny how this problem isn't replicated in devolved areas.... What Jeremy Cunt and the ideological war that the scumservatives are pursuing is what is causing this dispute. They don't believe in the NHS and want to kill it off so we can have a system like America's. You can't treat these critical staff like shit and then expect them to fall in line when you treat them worse. The pay deal they are being offered is a cut in wages that is being dressed up as a pay rise by the government to turn the public against the docs. It's firmly backfiring from what i've seen
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post Jan 10 2016, 07:27 PM
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I absolutely support their right to strike and will fully back their regrettable action on Tuesday as the only way of getting through to Jeremy Hunt, and the very unnecessary reforms that he is imposing on an already stretched and stressed out workforce. Forcing them to make these changes - which ultimately could lead to junior doctors working up to 72 hour weeks - is both unworkable and potentially dangerous, and instead of making the job even less attractive to new entrants the government should be doing more to bring in more trained staff and not simply relying on those already in the job to work twice as hard to cover the shortfall.
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post Jan 10 2016, 07:35 PM
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Do strikes actually work though? I always hear news of people striking and what they want to see change but never what the result is.
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post Jan 10 2016, 07:41 PM
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QUOTE(liamk97 @ Jan 10 2016, 07:35 PM) *
Do strikes actually work though? I always hear news of people striking and what they want to see change but never what the result is.


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post Jan 10 2016, 08:04 PM
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I'm on my phone and tapped the wrong option by mistake.
I fully believe that junior doctors have every right to strike but it's sad that they have to.
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post Jan 10 2016, 09:05 PM
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QUOTE(liamk97 @ Jan 10 2016, 07:35 PM) *
Do strikes actually work though? I always hear news of people striking and what they want to see change but never what the result is.

Well not immediately or instantly probably not, but in raising awareness of the issues and highlighting the unfairness yes they most definitely do. It's like asking if gay pride rallies or feminist marches or things of similar ilks work and if there is a point to them. Yes of course there is because if people feel they are being treated unfairly they should have the freedom to air their views.

QUOTE(Scherz @ Jan 10 2016, 08:04 PM) *
I'm on my phone and tapped the wrong option by mistake.
I fully believe that junior doctors have every right to strike but it's sad that they have to.

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post Jan 10 2016, 09:42 PM
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QUOTE(liamk97 @ Jan 10 2016, 07:35 PM) *
Do strikes actually work though? I always hear news of people striking and what they want to see change but never what the result is.

It works just fine for tube drivers!
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post Jan 10 2016, 10:24 PM
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I belive that doctors have a right to strike as much as any other profession. Companies are more likely to listen to their staffs needs and wasn't if they do strike.

They've still shown they're capable of providing the cover when the need arises though and unless the junior doctors etc... Are willing to also strike and leave the country at a standstill (doctor wise atleast) then there is also the possibility that the government won't do anything for just now at least especially when they have the Juniors picking up the slack.
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post Jan 10 2016, 10:28 PM
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Just to put the question out there and play devil's advocate, if there wasn't suitable cover being provided - for example if it was a nationwide full NHS doctor strike not just the junior doctors, would people still support their right to strike given the implications it would have on the patients and the possible risks?
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post Jan 10 2016, 10:34 PM
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I personally would still support it as a last resort. You gotta do what you gotta do as they say. Yes they have a duty to provide for the ill, physically impaired but they also have to make sure they are getting what they need to perform their job properly and that includes a decent wage.
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post Jan 10 2016, 11:09 PM
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QUOTE(HausofTroye @ Jan 10 2016, 10:28 PM) *
Just to put the question out there and play devil's advocate, if there wasn't suitable cover being provided - for example if it was a nationwide full NHS doctor strike not just the junior doctors, would people still support their right to strike given the implications it would have on the patients and the possible risks?


oh wow interesting question ohmy.gif

I agree with strikes in general as although they can be a nuisance for the average person, they do prove a point in showing how reliable people are on a certain service (i'm trying to speak generally here) and of course it's an effective way to show discontent, but if there were to be a full NHS doctor strike, that could (well to be honest would) result in deaths, and also life long consequences (for example someone could get hit by a car, and due to not being treated for 24 hours or so end up with life long consequences). Personally, I would not be able to participate in a strike if I knew I was putting members of the general public at risk.
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post Jan 11 2016, 08:47 AM
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QUOTE(HausofTroye @ Jan 10 2016, 10:28 PM) *
Just to put the question out there and play devil's advocate, if there wasn't suitable cover being provided - for example if it was a nationwide full NHS doctor strike not just the junior doctors, would people still support their right to strike given the implications it would have on the patients and the possible risks?


Yes (although is there a limit, like a legal thing for when it comes to life threatening situations? Just nothing else I guess unsure.gif), but I would assume such a threat/strike would have a larger amount of sway?
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post Jan 11 2016, 08:50 AM
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Of course they have the right to strike. For the level of importance the job has, they don't get enough credit at all comparatively and besides everybody has the right to strike I believe.
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