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Jonjo
post Jan 18 2016, 03:29 AM
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So, for the 2nd year in a row, the Oscars are under backlash for having nothing in the main categories (actor/actress, supporting & best picture) for people of colour.

Jada Pinkett-Smith has tweeted out about it: http://www.buzzfeed.com/maryanngeorgantopo...jpmq#.seplLYJyN

Is this a racial ignorance thing on behalf of the Academy? Should Will Smith be nominated for 'Concussion' and Idris Elba for 'Beasts of No Nation'? Were they robbed of a nomination? Should 'Straight Outta Compton' have been up for "Best Picture"?

Or is this down to Hollywood, simply not making more opportunistic movies for people of colour? Or perhaps those that have been nominated were just simply better?

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post Jan 18 2016, 08:49 AM
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I think it's a little bit of all of them. I've not seen all the best actor/supporting actor perfs yet, but Idris and Will did good work but I don't think either was properly WOW (granted, neither film engaged me very much so that probably played into it). I think getting a nomination for a lacklustre performance simply BECAUSE of their skin colour would be just as offensive. Compton not getting a BP nom is as much the Academy's issues with big/successful movies as it is any colour bias.

The Academy in general really do tend to stick with the path of least resistance in terms of nominations anyway. Like a fourth nom for J Law when it was, by all accounts, a strong year for female performances seems lazy and pointless too. I know she's the new Meryl, but still.
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post Jan 18 2016, 10:26 AM
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The thing is, last year, Selma was snubbed, which annoyed a lot of people.

This year, apart from very indie film Tangerine (and maybe Beasts of a Nation) which I didn't think stood a chance, there was a huge amount of diversity in the movies, so I put Hollywood at fault. When there is an outstanding performance there, Academy rewards it - the amazing Lupita won a few years ago.

I don't want it to get to the point where The academy feels like they HAVE to nominate somebody because their black, latino etc, and go to having 'token' nominations, with other more deserving performances getting snubbed.

I think John Boyega proved in Star Wars that it really doesn't matter what colour someone is when cast as a lead, and that Hollywood should be casting lots more diverse leads with the colour being totally inconsequential to the plot, the audience clearly don't have the same hang-ups that casting directors do.
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post Jan 18 2016, 11:34 AM
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Really the only performance I could have seen being nominated was Idris Elba for Beasts Of No Nation. But all these films had downfalls tbh: Concussion had bad reviews, Beasts Of No Nation had Netflix which I don't think the Academy are prepared to award anything on Netflix yet, Creed was campaigned too late apart from Stallone for it to make any impact and Straight Outta Compton was a successful movie (as Johnkm said) so it wasn't going to get in many of the big categories (same with Inside Out, Star Wars 7 etc). And I couldn't see Compton getting into the best picture field unless it was 10 nominations (which is another thing the Academy really need to sort out, just make the best picture field 10 permanently!).

Maybe they could have found a space for Elba or Smith but it should be based on the performances and I'm not sure if there was any room for them this year. (anyway Jacob Trembley was better than Elba and also missed out in the same category).

On another point, I'd actually say Carol missing best picture is a bigger issue than this.
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post Jan 18 2016, 11:35 AM
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QUOTE(Jonjo @ Jan 18 2016, 03:29 AM) *
So, for the 2nd year in a row, the Oscars are under backlash for having nothing in the main categories (actor/actress, supporting & best picture) for people of colour.


QUOTE(Joe. @ Jan 18 2016, 10:26 AM) *
The thing is, last year, Selma was snubbed, which annoyed a lot of people.


But Selma wasn't snubbed, it was a Best Picture nominee.

I agree with points largely raised by John and Joe. IMO it's more an issue with Hollywood and I think the Academy does their best to reward the best performances and I don't think it should come to a stage where there are 'token' nominees for the sake of it. "Beasts of No Nation" and "Straight Outta Compton" I haven't seen so I can't really comment on, maybe there was room for one of them somewhere. From the trailer "Concussion" doesn't strike me as something that the Academy would go for in a massive way and as much as I wasn't really a fan of "Mad Max" or "The Martian", I can see why they were recognised so I wouldn't say any of the nominees are undeserving.

But yes, "Tangerine" and the two actresses should've been nominated as it was one of the very best movies of last year but it was very indie and obviously not going to happen.
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post Jan 18 2016, 07:17 PM
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Agreed with all your comments.

Spike Lee has commented that he is boycotting the awards. A couple of the comments say this:

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A black two-time Oscar nominee and the wife of a black two-time Oscar nominee will boycott the Oscars because they don't nominate ethnic minorities....Ok then...
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Guess who Will Smith lost to when he was nominated...Denzel Washington in 2001, and Forest Whitaker in 2006.
I personally think that Jada has just thrown her toys out of the pram because her husband didn't get nominated due to him getting a nomination with the Golden Globes and is using it as an excuse to go on a tirade against the Academy. Had Will been the sole black individual nominated, I don't think she'd be boycotting... Why did she not boycott the Globes? (Who have more nominations available, due to splitting categories)

I agree with those Facebook comments tbh. I believe it's down to Hollywood not giving enough opportunities or making enough necessary roles for people of black origin. The only thing that baffles me is the whole 'Creed' thing and how Sylvester was nominated (but I find that odd anyway when "Supporting" roles get nominations over main roles laugh.gif), but I've not seen it myself and those who have seen it, pick out his performance as being the ultimate highlight, so perhaps it was the right choice and call. Idris I can see why he was possibly snubbed (due to the Academy not knowing what to do with Netflix/streaming specials). If the roles are there and they put in stellar performances, they will be rewarded. Ask Denzel, Lupita & Forest, as well as the cast and crew for '12 Years A Slave'.

We need to get down to the real issue here and stop taking kid actors for granted tbh, just coz their kids. Jacob Tremblay puts in one of the best performances I've seen from anyone (not just kids!) and gets completely snubbed for it all around, not just Oscars? And even still he's "only" in the "Supporting Actor" award for the SAGs.
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post Jan 19 2016, 09:01 AM
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For the record, I saw Straight Outta, and I think that there was NO performances worth being nominated.
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post Jan 19 2016, 01:35 PM
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I watched 'Beasts Of No Nation' last night. I can see why people would want Idris to have been nommed, however, as good as he was, something wasn't right and I couldn't imagine him being nominated for that particular role. For the type of character he was, he seemed pretty tame and too "nice" in his role. That role needed more aggression and needed you to actually fear him, which I think it failed in.

But yeah, I actually think it's just that the Academy haven't decided what to do with Netflix yet. Did BONN get a theatrical release, does anyone know?
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post Jan 19 2016, 02:39 PM
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^ According to Wiki it was only screened in Curzon cinemas in the UK and the largest US chains boycotted it due to the Netflix thing.

QUOTE(Jonjo @ Jan 18 2016, 07:17 PM) *
I personally think that Jada has just thrown her toys out of the pram because her husband didn't get nominated due to him getting a nomination with the Golden Globes and is using it as an excuse to go on a tirade against the Academy.


This is pretty much how I view it.

And even I personally feel reluctant to embrace the Netflix/movies thing right now (in this way) so I'm not surprised if the Academy feel that way.
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post Jan 19 2016, 07:16 PM
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Janet Hubert (The original Aunt Viv) has weighed in with her views. (Seems pretty personal thoughhhh eeek.)

http://www.buzzfeed.com/michaelblackmon/au...MkPy#.nvxDNdJnV
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post Jan 19 2016, 07:24 PM
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Although I believe there should have been more nominations for black people this year than there have been - nobody seems to have considered that maybe it's just a case of them not being good enough in some scenarios.

tbh imo it's being over-analyzed. there're many white actors/actresses that could've//should've been nominated too, but that's not being scrutinized.
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post Jan 19 2016, 07:45 PM
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QUOTE(mdh @ Jan 19 2016, 07:24 PM) *
Although I believe there should have been more nominations for black people this year than there have been - nobody seems to have considered that maybe it's just a case of them not being good enough in some scenarios.

tbh imo it's being over-analyzed. there're many white actors/actresses that could've//should've been nominated too, but that's not being scrutinized.


This 100%. Maybe just maybe the Academy thought the nominees were the most deserving regardless of skin colour. Doesn't mean they always get it right but it also doesn't mean there are motives behind their decisions. Although I did once have the opinion Leo kept getting over looked because he was so pretty smile.gif


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post Jan 19 2016, 08:27 PM
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QUOTE(Jonjo @ Jan 19 2016, 10:16 PM) *
Janet Hubert (The original Aunt Viv) has weighed in with her views. (Seems pretty personal thoughhhh eeek.)

http://www.buzzfeed.com/michaelblackmon/au...MkPy#.nvxDNdJnV

i don't know what aunt viv is but i love this janet person
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post Jan 19 2016, 08:48 PM
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QUOTE(💯 @ Jan 19 2016, 08:27 PM) *
i don't know what aunt viv is but i love this janet person
oops. Shoulda mentioned "Aunt Viv from 'Fresh Prince...'" tongue.gif
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post Jan 21 2016, 05:12 AM
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I think it would be wise for them to increase the number of nominees for the actor/actress categories, just like they did for Best Picture. That way the academy won't feel pressured to include a minority candidate just to avoid controversy or backlash at the expense of someone they might consider more deserving. Having eight Best Picture nominees hasn't made the honor of being nominated less valuable to any significant extent, in my opinion, so they could surely use that as a precedent to have eight nominees for Best Actress and Best Actor in the future.
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post Jan 21 2016, 08:27 AM
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I think people are looking into this way too much. I understand how being nominated for an Academy Award is amazing recognition, but we need to remember that it is rarely about the very best performances or achievements anyway, as the contenders are always strongly affected by box office succes and far from all films made are even taken into consideration.
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post Jan 23 2016, 05:07 PM
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Debate still going on massively:

Academy have said they are planning to increase the amount of memberships by double to people of minorities (e.g. women, skin colour etc)
More people are speaking out about this and the lack of diversity including Oscar nominated Mark Ruffalo & Adam McKay
Will Smith is also boycotting the Oscars
Stacey Dash, Charlotte Rampling & Michael Caine have however spoke out saying that maybe the performances by minorities just weren't good enough this year and the acting should be judged on performances and not race (which I completely agree with)
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post Jan 23 2016, 05:19 PM
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The whole thing has opened my eyes to how self absorbed the Smith family are and it's put me off them, quite a bit! I am 99% sure that they're only boycotting due to Smith being snubbed and nothing else and just using this whole thing to further things and make them seem like good people. There's just something disingenuous about them.

I am really pleased that the Academy are making some changes, but they should have been done a few years ago, not just now. I just hope that due to this, it doesn't mean that black people will be nominated for their performances just for "variety". It should 100% be down to the performance, because if they give one of the best performances then fair enough and even in the past they got rewarded for such work. Hopefully this opens up Hollywood's eyes so they can create the sort of award winning roles for different ethnicities and to give them more of a chance, instead of them making tripe like "Fifty Shades of Black" or "Barber Shop 3" et al all the time.

Like I said previously, I can't pick out a stand alone major black performance that's made me think "oh this is a great performance by him/her" this year. Idris is the closest, but I can definitely see why it was looked over. It was a strong performance, just not "award worthy" I think!
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post Jan 23 2016, 06:32 PM
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I'm glad some people like Charlotte Rampling are speaking out and making points that they are doing (even if the main headline that's been going around is rather dodgy..)

I liked a point made on another forum that the majority of people in the Western world are white and you could easily select 20 people at random from the Western world and they all turn out to be white, so why isn't it feasible that the 20 best performances are simply all from white people?

I don't think increasing the number of nominees would be the way to go about this (I'd be ok taking it up to 6, I feel that 8 is a bit much - we can have 10 Best Picture nominees, and over the Lead/Supporting categories you have 10 slots for men and 10 for women which I think works out well). If you had eight slots, that may have opened up room for Helen Mirren and Maggie Smith in Best Actress (both nominated elsewhere), maybe Johnny Depp would've scored for Black Mass, perhaps Jacob Tremblay was next in line for Supporting Actor etc. etc. More nominees, but no more diversity.
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post Jan 23 2016, 07:29 PM
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It's been bothering me a lot. Watch this, I fully agree with Woopi here.



I really think the boycott is being directed in the complete wrong place, the woman on the view here is totally missing the point (like a lot of people seem to be), even after Whoopi makes her point, the woman says "but don't underestimate the power of a boycott", YES, BUT YOU'RE BOYCOTTING THE WRONG PEOPLE, 95% of the films nominatable were with white actors, Ride Along 2 is NOT going to get a nomination. It is getting to the point where I feel sorry for the people nominated, because they're going to be feeling as if they don't deserve it now.


I do actually agree with Charlotte, but her words were very poorly chosen.
But my words to Jada are: How can you possibly boycott attending something that you probably weren't invited anyway? After you recently ruined Gotham with you're terrible performance skills, you're probably not welcome at any acting award ceremonies anyway. Another thing, you're husband HAS been nominated for Oscars twice in the past, do you know that? One of those times was for The Pursuit of Happiness that really wasn't deserved either. Pipe down.

Going back to Whoopi's words, I agree that this shouldn't be a conversation we have once a year, only 20 actors are allowed to be nominated, films NEED to start casting with (a lot) more diversity, you can't blame it on the Oscars, they do not choose what goes on screen.
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