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post Jun 25 2016, 09:53 AM
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With Cameron on his way out, what will his legacy be?

Will he be remembered as the man who promised to mend broken Britain and left it more broken than ever before? Or will it be as the man who gambled the future of his entire country for the sake of his career and lost?
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post Jun 25 2016, 10:05 AM
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He'll be remembered as a failure IMO. The country has gone nowhere since 2010.
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post Jun 25 2016, 11:19 AM
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Had the referendum gone the right way I imagine his reputation/legacy would have been fairly middling, it wouldn't have been an easy job to try and remedy the myriad issues he was handed in 2010. I don't think he dealt with them all very well, but I think the softening impact of the Lib Dem's in his first term would have done enough to make austerity seem broadly acceptable in the long run and the country IS in a better place now than it was economically. It's just that it's an utter f***ing mess socially, but that's as much down to UKIP and the other parties as it is lack of leadership from Dave.

However, after taking the referendum gamble and losing and effectively ending the United Kingdom (assuming Scotland leave, which seems fairly inevitable), I can't imagine him going down as anything other than one of our worst ever PM's.
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post Jun 25 2016, 12:08 PM
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If the country is in a 'better place economically', why are we back in a manufacturing recession and have interest rates stuck at emergency record low levels of 0.5%?
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post Jun 25 2016, 12:26 PM
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Probably the only thing he'll be remembered for positively will be getting same-sex marriage onto the statute books, and even then future history will find a way to take that away from him.
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post Jun 25 2016, 12:35 PM
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I don't think he will be remembered too fondly, but he had a really difficult job coming out of financial crisis. Hated by many in his own party and by many up and down the country. The next Prime Minister will have an even harder job, our whole country is divided. Unspeakable those who cry out about democracy now mean we are likely to have an unelected Prime Minister for the next 3 and a half years.

The country needs a general election in 2017/2018.
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post Jun 25 2016, 12:38 PM
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QUOTE(Brett-Butler @ Jun 25 2016, 01:26 PM) *
Probably the only thing he'll be remembered for positively will be getting same-sex marriage onto the statute books, and even then future history will find a way to take that away from him.

That would be deserved. It was a Lib Dem initiative steered through parliament by a Lib Dem minister. Of course it needed his approval to proceed, but it would never have happened without the coalition.
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post Jun 25 2016, 01:01 PM
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I'm sure Cameron will be remembered as an awful prime minister, even if Boris Johnson turns out to be even worse when he inevitably gets the job.
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post Jun 25 2016, 01:30 PM
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QUOTE(danG @ Jun 25 2016, 02:01 PM) *
I'm sure Cameron will be remembered as an awful prime minister, even if Boris Johnson turns out to be even worse when he inevitably gets the job.


Boris is popular with party members, but not so much with the MPs. It's going to be an interesting leadership contest, one with many twists and turns. Whoever it is, I feel needs to be pro-European. Reason being is that Parliament is now going to be mess with two-thirds of MPs supporting remain. I feel it's going to be a very bitter few months, and an even more bitter with the next couple of years following.
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do the MP's get to elect the new prime minister then? because I thought it would be elected by the Party in a similar way to how Corbyn was elected as Labour leader recently.
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post Jun 25 2016, 02:17 PM
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QUOTE(danG @ Jun 25 2016, 03:01 PM) *
do the MP's get to elect the new prime minister then? because I thought it would be elected by the Party in a similar way to how Corbyn was elected as Labour leader recently.

Tory MPs will have a series of votes to reduce the number of candidates to two (assuming at least two are nominated). Party members will then get to vote between the two. I suspect there is a significant group of Tory MPs who will be trying to ensure that Johnson is not one of the final two.
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post Jun 25 2016, 02:26 PM
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QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Jun 25 2016, 03:17 PM) *
Tory MPs will have a series of votes to reduce the number of candidates to two (assuming at least two are nominated). Party members will then get to vote between the two. I suspect there is a significant group of Tory MPs who will be trying to ensure that Johnson is not one of the final two.


Exactly. Boris is the populist candidate, but he's unpopular with many of the MPs. More Conservatives were pro-EU than Brexit. I think they view Boris and Gove with disrespect for using the campaign to further their political careers when it's clear both are actual more liberal-Tory than UKIP.
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post Jun 25 2016, 03:24 PM
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He will be remembered for screwing over the working and middle classes and be credited with causing the breakup of the UK (which it's hard to not see happening right now).
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post Jun 25 2016, 04:34 PM
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When you think about it, matching time as PM with an own majority comparing PM's side by side, he would have just had less than 18 months as PM leading a party without a coalition partner party, Gordon Brown did more, Tony Blair deffo did more, even John Major led a 6 and a half year majority government.

So for me not very successful.

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post Jun 25 2016, 05:14 PM
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Possibly one of the worst of recent times surely? I mean before all this he was fairly unremarkable save for gay marriage, but then he called a referendum that REALLY shouldn't have been called given more MPs were in favour of staying and ended up being beaten and effectively completing dividing the nation in every sense (young and old, working vs middle class, England vs Scotland, it was all there).

Good riddance to him, frankly, even if the next one could possibly be even worse.
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post Jun 25 2016, 05:45 PM
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Disastrous, only notable in a good way for the length of his tenure and managing to turn a hung parliament into a majority second time round (even if it would eventually lead to his downfall). Remains to be seen exactly how disastrous as the fallout from this referendum isn't confirmed but certainly a worse legacy than the last three. Though his successor has far from a guarantee of being more successful as things stand.
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post Jun 25 2016, 06:04 PM
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A bit 'meh', until now. Spineless shithouse I think now...
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Cameron will be remembered as a top poster on Buzzjack laugh.gif
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post Jun 25 2016, 06:23 PM
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QUOTE(TheSnake @ Jun 25 2016, 07:06 PM) *
Cameron will be remembered as a top poster on Buzzjack laugh.gif


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Cameron will be remembered by me as the man who took the credit for the best Libdem policies during his government that had to pick up the pieces after the banking crisis disaster which happened on labour's watch, right in front of their eyes, supported by the Tories, and also Iraq fallout. He is the man who then blamed the Libdems (with the help of a deluded Labour Party) for all that had become unpopular during the "recovery", even though it was Tory policy.

So, a liar from day one, and for his many many broken campaign promises (already during his unrestrained second term) while the one he SHOULD have broken was the disastrous referendum, repercussions of which will affect the whole world badly, and England especially. Essentially, he was out-lied by fellow nasty Leave campaigners which left his (albeit exaggerated hyperbolic) actual facts and likelihoods being ignored after the farce of the Scottish referendum.

So he got his own just dessert, he was a total disaster as a PM (let's not even go into foreign policy), and he's taken the country down with him. Worse even than Thatcher, because she was at least aware of what she was doing and what the stakes were. Cameron has just been clueless throughout.

The next PM will be even worse, most likely.
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