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awardinary
post Aug 19 2016, 11:12 AM
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This subject has been bothering me for ages, but I guess I just never questioned it properly before.

Maybe I'm being slightly OCD about this but how should you correctly label songs in your music library?

For example, most songs you download that have a featured artist will appear at the end of the level in brackets like this;

Mike Perry – The Ocean (feat. Shy Martin)

In this example the artist field only shows the main artist but not th featured artist. The song title field contains the featured artist. This seems to be the preferred labelling choice by most music providers including iTunes and Spotify, and for such scrobbling services such as last.fm, this provides the most information about the song including artwork, and it's how you see the majority of plays appearing.

My personal view has always been that the artist field should really include all artists that feature on the track like this;

Mike Perry feat. Shy Martin – The Ocean

I just feel that looks better and is more politically correct than the previous example.

If anybody here shares my views on this matter, please let me know what you feel should be the standard practice so that my library is consistent throughout! wink.gif
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post Aug 19 2016, 11:18 AM
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I actually prefer the second option as well, both artists right beside each other!
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post Aug 19 2016, 11:20 AM
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it should always be the first option, so that the song scrobbles to Artist rather than 'Artist feat. Artist' on last.fm which is just messy
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post Aug 19 2016, 11:30 AM
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What about times when you get two artists separated by the "&" symbol?

Example;

Craig David & Sigala – Ain't Giving Up

Surely that would be as messy wouldn't it?
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post Aug 19 2016, 11:33 AM
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You've also got times where instead of just listing featured artists there's also a separate mention of "with" artists;

Lil Wayne, Wiz Khalifa & Imagine Dragons – Sucker For Pain (with Logic, Ty Dolla $ign & X Ambassadors)
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post Aug 19 2016, 11:33 AM
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I used to put the featuring artists in the Artist field, but when I started using last.fm I need to have it in brackets in the Title field.
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post Aug 19 2016, 11:39 AM
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Seems stupid that last.fm can't work out that it's the same song regardless of how it appears in your library.

In any case, whenever I would buy a CD compilation they would always list the featured artists before the song title, so that's why I copied that format for my library. I don't really want to go changing thousands of songs with featured artists tbh.
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post Aug 19 2016, 11:46 AM
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For me:
Artist - Title (feat. Artist)
Artist - Title (with Artist)

And for Artist & Artist songs I'm inclined to take liberties and label it as one of the above, most likely the second one. As Dan said, if you have last.fm you really can't afford to have more than one artist listed as the primary one.
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post Aug 19 2016, 12:02 PM
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QUOTE(Umi @ Aug 19 2016, 12:46 PM) *
For me:
Artist - Title (feat. Artist)
Artist - Title (with Artist)

And for Artist & Artist songs I'm inclined to take liberties and label it as one of the above, most likely the second one. As Dan said, if you have last.fm you really can't afford to have more than one artist listed as the primary one.

I see your logic, maybe I do need to have a rethink on my labelling.
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post Aug 19 2016, 12:07 PM
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Most of the time it's all credited artist in the artist title field, but there are some occasions, such as what Dan pointed out (I don't use last.fm but any other situation where having Artist feat. Artist would mess up a list), where I'd prefer the featured artist in the song title field. Either one looks fine to me though, although it bugs me slightly when a source jumps between the two, like iTunes.

Another debate: do you prefer to use featuring, feat., ft., f/, etc.?
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post Aug 19 2016, 12:19 PM
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QUOTE(awardinary @ Aug 19 2016, 12:30 PM) *
What about times when you get two artists separated by the "&" symbol?

Example;

Craig David & Sigala – Ain't Giving Up

Surely that would be as messy wouldn't it?

That would simply scrobble as Craig David - Ain't Giving Up, with no mention of Sigala, so that it goes towards Craig David's artist playcount total. It's just too bad for Sigala that he's credited second. Spotify generally do stuff the way I want it to anyway, but I have an excel spreadsheet of all my songs and their playcounts that I update every so often so it doesn't really matter.
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post Aug 19 2016, 12:22 PM
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QUOTE(liamk97 @ Aug 19 2016, 01:07 PM) *
Most of the time it's all credited artist in the artist title field, but there are some occasions, such as what Dan pointed out (I don't use last.fm but any other situation where having Artist feat. Artist would mess up a list), where I'd prefer the featured artist in the song title field. Either one looks fine to me though, although it bugs me slightly when a source jumps between the two, like iTunes.

Another debate: do you prefer to use featuring, feat., ft., f/, etc.?

Definitely feat.

ft. is okay, featuring is too long a word, and f/ is a big NO.

Also I generally prefer using '&' to 'and', '+' or 'x' (e.g. Cheat Codes & Kris Kross Amsterdam rather than Cheat Codes x Kris Kross Amsterdam).
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post Aug 19 2016, 12:31 PM
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QUOTE(danG @ Aug 19 2016, 01:22 PM) *
Definitely feat.

ft. is okay, featuring is too long a word, and f/ is a big NO.

Also I generally prefer using '&' to 'and', '+' or 'x' (e.g. Cheat Codes & Kris Kross Amsterdam rather than Cheat Codes x Kris Kross Amsterdam).

For my personal chart, I use the full "featuring" just because it look 'proper', but I'd generally use 'ft'. or 'feat.' elsewhere. I agree that 'f/' is a no go; it's hideous.

I actually quite like the recent use of 'x'; not entirely sure why other than look unique~ and I don't know why it became a thing. I've not really settled on whether I prefer using symbols or the word 'and'. I like using both and I suppose I'd only really stick to one if it was how the artist stylises their credits (like 'Florence + The Machine'). To use Florence as an example again, if I were to put the word 'and' in there, I'd have to decapitalise 'the' (so Florence and the Machine). I have no idea why but that's just looks better to me.
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post Aug 19 2016, 12:37 PM
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QUOTE(liamk97 @ Aug 19 2016, 01:07 PM) *
Another debate: do you prefer to use featuring, feat., ft., f/, etc.?

I would always prefer to use "feat." but a lot of songs these days use the shortened "ft." on their artwork;



To take your debate further, what about "x" and "vs" artists?





Thoughts?
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post Aug 19 2016, 12:39 PM
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I don't like artists included as part of the song title, myself, it's not as if they are part of the lyric! laugh.gif

I have always listed SONG, ARTIST, FEATURED in that order, and give uncredited acts a featuring too if it's significant enough (such as a vocal contribution, but not production contribution)
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post Aug 19 2016, 12:43 PM
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I do like the use of vs. actually, especially as it means something different to just plain old & or x.

Using & when the credit really should be vs. is quite annoying or vice versa.
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post Aug 19 2016, 12:43 PM
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My initial reaction is to type 'ft.' rather than 'featuring' or 'feat.', though for last.fm purposes I prefer my iTunes library to have this in a bracket.
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post Aug 19 2016, 12:49 PM
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QUOTE(danG @ Aug 19 2016, 01:43 PM) *
Using & when the credit really should be vs. is quite annoying or vice versa.

When would you use 'vs.'? To me it's particularly apt if two DJs are credited, like 'Say You Do' should be "Sigala vs. DJ Fresh ft. Imani". I just feel like both artists have to fight to get their own stamp on the track.
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post Aug 19 2016, 12:50 PM
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In terms of tagging on iTunes, it would HAVE to be "DJ Snake - Let Me Love You (feat. Justin Bieber)", and I use that in my personal chart too although sometimes when I type elsewhere I'll write it as "DJ Snake feat. Justin Bieber - Let Me Love You". ALWAYS has to be "feat.", and normally I don't tend to argue with the tags given, if it said "vs." or "x" or "and" I'll use what it says. Sometimes I'll do a bit of jiggery pokery on iTunes though to make it neat, e.g. changing Pretty Girls' credit to "Britney Spears - Pretty Girls (feat. Iggy Azalea)" rather than using Britney & Iggy.

As for uncredited artists, they stay uncredited for me however annoying it can sometimes be laugh.gif (damn you Avicii)
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post Aug 19 2016, 12:54 PM
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i accept 'artist1 & artist 2 - song' only when it's needed. like you can't really say whose contribution to the track is bigger. otherwise, it's one artist only and with '(feat. blahblah) (Nicki Minaj Remix) [Magenta Wednesday Gregory Reloaded edit]'. all other versions are ugly af
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