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Zárate
post Mar 8 2017, 02:58 PM
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I think this is worth a separate thread, as this is discussed in several threads already.

I gathered all of the options which I saw had been suggested to solve the Ed-xclusiveness gate. I think I will send the poll results / this thread to OCC reps too, because why not? The decision will obviously be made by the record labels but maybe they won't think of some obvious solution we might think of.
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post Mar 8 2017, 03:03 PM
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I picked the second option, if it's possible to determine that a song is listened to as part of the full album/most of the album then I would definitely like to see it count to the album chart alone. If it's not possible, the first option is the next best thing in my eyes!
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post Mar 8 2017, 03:08 PM
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QUOTE(JosephSharman @ Mar 8 2017, 07:03 PM) *
I picked the second option, if it's possible to determine that a song is listened to as part of the full album/most of the album then I would definitely like to see it count to the album chart alone. If it's not possible, the first option is the next best thing in my eyes!

Yep, these are pretty much my thoughts too. I get that it might take a lot of calculating regarding the second option (and therefore demanding some investments), so if it's too expensive for OCC it should be the 1st option instead.

But I'm against nominating the tracks (it will be messy and artificial) and changing the streaming ratio again (this will only be temporary, you can't stop the streaming taking over). Also I'm against bringing the radio airplay to the chart, as this is where it doesn't depend on a person buying / listening to tracks at all.
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post Mar 8 2017, 03:13 PM
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ideally the second option, but the first if that is not possible.
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post Mar 8 2017, 03:33 PM
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Any track which has <10% contribution to its chart sale from paid-for sales will be excluded, any track previously charting will not return until either it increases its paid-for contribution to >15% OR it improves >50% over the total market and no longer falls foul of the aforementioned <10% contribution rate.

If this rule was already in place, on last week's Top 40 singles chart we would have lost the following:

21. Stormzy “Cold”
22. Stormzy “Bad Boys”
25. Stormzy “First Things First”
29. Stormzy “Mr. Skeng”
30. Stormzy ft. Kehlani “Cigarettes & Cush”

and gained these new Top 40 entries:

37. Lana Del Rey “Love” (up from 41)
38. Jason Derulo ft. Nicki Minaj & Ty Dolla $ign “Swalla” (New Entry)
40. Imagine Dragons “Believer” (up from 47)


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post Mar 8 2017, 03:59 PM
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QUOTE(Doctor Blind @ Mar 8 2017, 03:33 PM) *
Any track which has <10% contribution to its chart sale from paid-for sales will be excluded, any track previously charting will not return until either it increases its paid-for contribution to >15% OR it improves >50% over the total market and no longer falls foul of the aforementioned <10% contribution rate.

If this rule was already in place, on last week's Top 40 singles chart we would have lost the following:

21. Stormzy “Cold”
22. Stormzy “Bad Boys”
25. Stormzy “First Things First”
29. Stormzy “Mr. Skeng”
30. Stormzy ft. Kehlani “Cigarettes & Cush”

and gained these new Top 40 entries:

37. Lana Del Rey “Love” (up from 41)
38. Jason Derulo ft. Nicki Minaj & Ty Dolla $ign “Swalla” (New Entry)
40. Imagine Dragons “Believer” (up from 47)


While that idea is attractive in principle, in practice it would be overkill, as 58 songs in last week's T200 would have ended up being excluded!

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post Mar 8 2017, 04:10 PM
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How about only counting streams that have seperate releases? Once a track is named and confirmed as a single, start including those streams with the single release streams or something. If it doesn't receive a seperate release, then tough luck. That way, instant grats will serve as "pre-orders" for the album instead.
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post Mar 8 2017, 04:18 PM
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Friday will be the crappiest moment in chart history. When Greg James introduces the chart on Friday afternoon... that's it, the final insult, the final humiliation. It's the greatest scandal in chart history. I was so disgusted by this I went on Sheeran's Facebook page and told him (I've no idea if he reads the posts!) that he is undeserving of nine hits in the top ten. I've also been on Radio 1, the OCC, and Spotify's FB pages and told them how I feel about this.

Admittedly, I probably need 'to get a life' laugh.gif and put this all into perspective but even so, it's a bloody disgrace. I hope the chart dies. Good riddance to it. I've still got memories of the old chart which had several new entries per week, where people bought records/cds. The OCC and streaming apps can't take away my memories!!!!

(that said, I voted that the rules are fine as they are - I really don't think this Ed Sheeran domination is going to be a normal occurrence, it'll take truly humongous album releases and really he deserves it if EVERY SINGLE track of his is being streamed more than every other song around at the moment)
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post Mar 8 2017, 04:19 PM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Mar 8 2017, 03:59 PM) *
While that idea is attractive in principle, in practice it would be overkill, as 58 songs in last week's T200 would have ended up being excluded!


You could be less harsh and allow those tracks that fall foul of the rule to chart on their paid-for sales total only, though I think all of the tracks would still fall outside the T200 so it wouldn't make a difference.
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post Mar 8 2017, 04:19 PM
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The new "All you Nick Jonas haters..." tbh.
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post Mar 8 2017, 04:22 PM
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QUOTE(Jonjo @ Mar 8 2017, 04:19 PM) *
The new "All you Nick Jonas haters..." tbh.


It's more this tbh

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post Mar 10 2017, 01:20 AM
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I picked option 2, but I think the proper approach would be: everything that has a video (not the lyrics video) and/or is promoting the album (such us pre-album sneak peaks should be considered as singles and should be counted towards the singles chart, everything else should strengthen the poor albums sales. And I would also count 1 stream/track/user/week regardless the number of plays of the track per week. And I would count full plays only, skipped songs should be excluded (the current 30 seconds rule is bit ridiculous).
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post Mar 10 2017, 09:13 AM
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No.

Most of those arbitrary rules make no sense. Plus, I don't think it would be possible to determine which tracks are listened as part of an album tbqh.
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post Mar 10 2017, 09:31 AM
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Option 2 makes total sense, but probably wouldn't really be feasible in practice sadly so I would go for what Jonjo and others suggested and have only ''official'' singles count towards the singles chart.
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post Mar 10 2017, 10:50 AM
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removing streams from both charts would be the best way to solve the problem
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post Mar 10 2017, 11:01 AM
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QUOTE(André @ Mar 10 2017, 10:13 AM) *
No.

Most of those arbitrary rules make no sense. Plus, I don't think it would be possible to determine which tracks are listened as part of an album tbqh.


Agreed.


QUOTE(jszmiles @ Mar 10 2017, 11:50 AM) *
removing streams from both charts would be the best way to solve the problem


Considering that the general public is moving on from buying music to streaming that would make no sense at all. There is no way a chart without streaming included can be considered relevant in 2017.
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post Mar 10 2017, 11:34 AM
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QUOTE(Mateja @ Mar 10 2017, 11:01 AM) *
Considering that the general public is moving on from buying music to streaming that would make no sense at all. There is no way a chart without streaming included can be considered relevant in 2017.

Exactly. There is a problem but removing streaming altogether is definitely not the answer.

If you want to live in a bubble where streaming doesn't exist, these charts exist ohmy.gif
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Ok so i'm a little confused by this, if someone plays the whole album that would count towards the album charts, but what if they only played half the album, I'm guessing if someone plays 3 or 4 tracks from the album then those plays would go towards the single charts, it's all a little bit confusing for me
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post Mar 11 2017, 09:17 AM
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I picked option 3. I think songs should only count in the singles chart if they are actually proper singles. They don't call it the "singles" chart for nothing and Ed's impact this week is very disproportionate. Most of his tracks will fall next week and previous non Ed songs in the Top 10 will return there again.

Chart commenters are saying it's the first time an artist has managed 9 top 10 singles at any one time but let's not forget that streaming is largely to blame for that and downloading to some degree and the earlier has only been included in official charts sales in the last few years so it's an unfair comparison.


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post Mar 11 2017, 10:05 AM
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QUOTE(girl_from_oz @ Mar 10 2017, 04:42 PM) *
Ok so i'm a little confused by this, if someone plays the whole album that would count towards the album charts, but what if they only played half the album, I'm guessing if someone plays 3 or 4 tracks from the album then those plays would go towards the single charts, it's all a little bit confusing for me

if a person played 3 or 4 tracks from the album then he quite probably picket them up out of the whole album. So a user played those 3 songs and not the album as a whole, and therefore it should be counted in the singles chart.

However, if a person played like 8 tracks from the album consisting of 12 tracks then most probably he listened to the whole album not picking up certain choices. Therefore, those streams should be counted to the albums chart.
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