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post Mar 28 2017, 01:21 PM
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because which politician has the better pair of legs is obviously so much more newsworthy than what what they actually discussed.. mellow.gif
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post Mar 28 2017, 01:28 PM
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Oh please I am tired of this constant being offended. The Daily Mail even says next to the headline that it's just a big of light heartedness. It's like the world has gone upside down and it's the liberal lefties who are offended by anything and the conservative right who know when to have a sense of humour.
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post Mar 28 2017, 01:33 PM
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It IS offensive. When you compare it to the same pic of Cameron meeting Salmond there was none this nonsense. I'm tired of constantly being offended too, but then again I'm tired of seeing such offensive things from the Daily Mail. No, it's not the worst thing they've put out and I find it hard to be shocked by them anymore, which is actually pretty sad.
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post Mar 28 2017, 01:39 PM
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QUOTE(Tinasha @ Mar 28 2017, 02:33 PM) *
It IS offensive. When you compare it to the same pic of Cameron meeting Salmond there was none this nonsense. I'm tired of constantly being offended too, but then again I'm tired of seeing such offensive things from the Daily Mail. No, it's not the worst thing they've put out and I find it hard to be shocked by them anymore, which is actually pretty sad.


Do you actually read the Daily Mail though? If not then why are you being offended by it, no-one is forcing you to read it, that's why I avoid The Guardian like the plague because to me it's full of leftie liberal bulls**t. This "issue" just comes across as lefties trying to whip up some drama against the Daily Mail.
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post Mar 28 2017, 01:40 PM
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Once again, the most important thing about a woman is her body or how she dresses. rolleyes.gif
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post Mar 28 2017, 01:44 PM
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QUOTE(PeaceMob @ Mar 28 2017, 02:28 PM) *
Oh please I am tired of this constant being offended. The Daily Mail even says next to the headline that it's just a big of light heartedness. It's like the world has gone upside down and it's the liberal lefties who are offended by anything and the conservative right who know when to have a sense of humour.

Well, first of all, the light-hearted comment was a last minute addition after the initial uproar. However, the problem is that 1. there would be absolutely no similar remark if there were two males discussing something of such significance to the future of the Union. 2. It is far from a one-off, it a continuous thing that happens waayyyy too often and only in regards to females. Why must women leaders constantly be subject to objectification on how they dress? When Theresa May was announced as the new Prime Minister, The Sun just focused on her choice of footwear for their FRONT PAGE which has no relevance to the her capability for the role or how she ended up in the position or the significance of being a second female PM.

It is something that is CONSTANTLY happening, which moves it way beyond a sense of humour. It highlights the continuing uphill battle that women have to face in order to be taken seriously in such high positions. Believe me, I'm getting so annoyed by everything somehow containing some form of offence to people in a way that really limits how the media and everyday people can act but that doesn't mean that there is still a wide range of credible things that do need to stop happening and continually focusing on how women look/dress above the actual issues at stake is one of them. Nicola and Theresa were discussing hugely important issues yesterday, they were discussing how we are actually going to operate without the EU, something we have been a part of for over 40 years and has affected us in so many different ways as well as of course the future of Scotland's relationship with Westminster and the UK as a whole. If Scotland do go independant, it would be another massive change for our country and so there are huge issues at stake here. Why are they not the focus?

Aside from politics, the Daily Mail has the awful sidebar of shame which everyday has tens and tens of articles specifically to comment on how a celebrity (to varying degrees) looks, in the sense of what they're wearing or if they've put on a bit of weight or if they're looking older. Why should there be so much scrutiny on these issues? They directly harm girls and women as they make them insecure and make them continually conscious of how they look and what is the 'right' way to look.
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post Mar 28 2017, 01:53 PM
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QUOTE(Klaus @ Mar 28 2017, 02:44 PM) *
Well, first of all, the light-hearted comment was a last minute addition after the initial uproar. However, the problem is that 1. there would be absolutely no similar remark if there were two males discussing something of such significance to the future of the Union. 2. It is far from a one-off, it a continuous thing that happens waayyyy too often and only in regards to females. Why must women leaders constantly be subject to objectification on how they dress? When Theresa May was announced as the new Prime Minister, The Sun just focused on her choice of footwear for their FRONT PAGE which has no relevance to the her capability for the role or how she ended up in the position or the significance of being a second female PM.

It is something that is CONSTANTLY happening, which moves it way beyond a sense of humour. It highlights the continuing uphill battle that women have to face in order to be taken seriously in such high positions. Believe me, I'm getting so annoyed by everything somehow containing some form of offence to people in a way that really limits how the media and everyday people can act but that doesn't mean that there is still a wide range of credible things that do need to stop happening and continually focusing on how women look/dress above the actual issues at stake is one of them. Nicola and Theresa were discussing hugely important issues yesterday, they were discussing how we are actually going to operate without the EU, something we have been a part of for over 40 years and has affected us in so many different ways as well as of course the future of Scotland's relationship with Westminster and the UK as a whole. If Scotland do go independant, it would be another massive change for our country and so there are huge issues at stake here. Why are they not the focus?

Aside from politics, the Daily Mail has the awful sidebar of shame which everyday has tens and tens of articles specifically to comment on how a celebrity (to varying degrees) looks, in the sense of what they're wearing or if they've put on a bit of weight or if they're looking older. Why should there be so much scrutiny on these issues? They directly harm girls and women as they make them insecure and make them continually conscious of how they look and what is the 'right' way to look.



Everything you've said is correct.
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post Mar 28 2017, 01:58 PM
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Yup I third that statement of excellence.
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post Mar 28 2017, 01:59 PM
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Nothing will ever be as bad as the "Enemies of the State" headline a few month back, especially after learning more about 1940s Germany whilst in Berlin.
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post Mar 28 2017, 02:03 PM
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QUOTE(PeaceMob @ Mar 28 2017, 02:39 PM) *
Do you actually read the Daily Mail though? If not then why are you being offended by it, no-one is forcing you to read it, that's why I avoid The Guardian like the plague because to me it's full of leftie liberal bulls**t. This "issue" just comes across as lefties trying to whip up some drama against the Daily Mail.


Echoing everything Froot/Klaus says really. Obviously if you think the well balanced Guardian's (usually) fair stories are simply "liberal bullshit" then we're clearly not going to agree. But whether you read Daily Mail or not, it's the biggest paper in the UK with millions of people being influenced by it, so I'm allowed to care. It's worrying to see the kinds of subconscious (or not so subtle), hateful, racist, homophobic, xenophobic values that are being pushed into the mainstream.
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post Mar 28 2017, 02:17 PM
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They do have worse, this is standard Daily Mail really but that doesn't make it any less awful. The two most powerful (for shame in May's case but that's for another thread!) women in the UK meet to discuss politics and important affairs but it comes down to who has the best legs... And no, I don't read the Daily Mail becasue I have enough brain cells to avoid it but as said there are millions are people who do and as it's the most popular paper in the UK it has influences and permeates the nation's conscious whether we read it or not. A headline and story like this is going to go viral so we all see it, and we have the right to be offended by blatant sexism just as the Daily Mail demographic will inevitably stomp their feet and cry when two guys kiss on a primetime soap or a Muslim woman wears a hijab in the "wrong" place :')
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post Mar 28 2017, 02:19 PM
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QUOTE(Klaus @ Mar 28 2017, 02:44 PM) *
Well, first of all, the light-hearted comment was a last minute addition after the initial uproar. However, the problem is that 1. there would be absolutely no similar remark if there were two males discussing something of such significance to the future of the Union. 2. It is far from a one-off, it a continuous thing that happens waayyyy too often and only in regards to females. Why must women leaders constantly be subject to objectification on how they dress? When Theresa May was announced as the new Prime Minister, The Sun just focused on her choice of footwear for their FRONT PAGE which has no relevance to the her capability for the role or how she ended up in the position or the significance of being a second female PM.

It is something that is CONSTANTLY happening, which moves it way beyond a sense of humour. It highlights the continuing uphill battle that women have to face in order to be taken seriously in such high positions. Believe me, I'm getting so annoyed by everything somehow containing some form of offence to people in a way that really limits how the media and everyday people can act but that doesn't mean that there is still a wide range of credible things that do need to stop happening and continually focusing on how women look/dress above the actual issues at stake is one of them. Nicola and Theresa were discussing hugely important issues yesterday, they were discussing how we are actually going to operate without the EU, something we have been a part of for over 40 years and has affected us in so many different ways as well as of course the future of Scotland's relationship with Westminster and the UK as a whole. If Scotland do go independant, it would be another massive change for our country and so there are huge issues at stake here. Why are they not the focus?

Aside from politics, the Daily Mail has the awful sidebar of shame which everyday has tens and tens of articles specifically to comment on how a celebrity (to varying degrees) looks, in the sense of what they're wearing or if they've put on a bit of weight or if they're looking older. Why should there be so much scrutiny on these issues? They directly harm girls and women as they make them insecure and make them continually conscious of how they look and what is the 'right' way to look.


And yet despite your feminist rant, the Daily Mail has the highest female readership out of all the UK's newspapers, go figure. cool.gif
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post Mar 28 2017, 02:26 PM
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QUOTE(PeaceMob @ Mar 28 2017, 03:19 PM) *
And yet despite your feminist rant, the Daily Mail has the highest female readership out of all the UK's newspapers, go figure. cool.gif

and Mrs Brown's Boys is one of the most highly rated TV shows here but that doesn't mean it's a good show or even funny. tongue.gif
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post Mar 28 2017, 02:28 PM
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QUOTE(PeaceMob @ Mar 28 2017, 03:19 PM) *
And yet despite your feminist rant, the Daily Mail has the highest female readership out of all the UK's newspapers, go figure. cool.gif


Do you have something against feminism? Also, females can be just as (often moreso) sexist towards other women as men.
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post Mar 28 2017, 02:29 PM
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I think that just speaks for the idiocy of our population laugh.gif
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What a dire front page, The Daily Mail continues to be utter trash. Froot basically summed up everything I wanted to say but better than I would have put it. It's a shame that the importance of the issues at hand that they were discussing had to be undermined for their appearance to be focused on instead. Why must they portray powerful women in such a way, as if they cannot be taken seriously?! Cheap and nasty brainless attention grabbing from them as per. It will always baffle me how popular this terrible journalism is.
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QUOTE(Klaus @ Mar 28 2017, 03:26 PM) *
and Mrs Brown's Boys is one of the most highly rated TV shows here but that doesn't mean it's a good show or even funny. tongue.gif


In your opinion. Ask yourself, why do liberal lefties ALWAYS feel the need to tell people what to do and how to think, why can't they just let people be. No wonder communism is SO popular with the liberal left.
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QUOTE(Tinasha @ Mar 28 2017, 03:28 PM) *
Do you have something against feminism? Also, females can be just as (often moreso) sexist towards other women as men.

Yeh, it was a woman who actually wrote that article (although it'll have been someone else who chose that headline and for it to be on the front page), and its often women who write the Sidebar of Shame stuff. That doesn't make any of my points invalid at all. laugh.gif
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Smelt drama.

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QUOTE(PeaceMob @ Mar 28 2017, 03:32 PM) *
In your opinion. Ask yourself, why do liberal lefties ALWAYS feel the need to tell people what to do and how to think, why can't they just let people be. No wonder communism is SO popular with the liberal left.

and why do people try and use 'liberal lefties' as an insult? Whatever I am, I wasn't telling anyone what to do or how to think, I was making a joke to counteract your point. All I'm looking for is for you to discuss and provide a counterargument to the points I raised.
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