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Mart!n
post Jul 8 2017, 09:04 AM
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For me, currently I'm stuck in the middle until I get to grips with the new rules, but I'm probably leaning towards option A, as more acts can enter the Top 40 singles chart, instead of having 1 or 2 entries a week. My only problem with it, Bryan Adams record reign at #1 will be hard to break sad.gif
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post Jul 8 2017, 09:08 AM
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QUOTE(Mart!n @ Jul 8 2017, 10:04 AM) *
For me, currently I'm stuck in the middle until I get to grips with the new rules, but I'm probably leaning towards option A, as more acts can enter the Top 40 singles chart, instead of having 1 or 2 entries a week. My only problem with it, Bryan Adams record reign at #1 will be hard to break sad.gif

It was hard to break anyway. If Drake and Ed Sheeran couldn't do it, I don't think anyone can. I'm personally glad that we won't be having songs spend upwards of 15 weeks at #1 anyway.
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post Jul 8 2017, 09:13 AM
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I'm glad no one will be able to top Bryan Adams, because it's a lot easier to do extended runs with streams so it wouldn't really mean anything.
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post Jul 8 2017, 09:18 AM
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QUOTE(danG @ Jul 8 2017, 10:08 AM) *
It was hard to break anyway. If Drake and Ed Sheeran couldn't do it, I don't think anyone can. I'm personally glad that we won't be having songs spend upwards of 15 weeks at #1 anyway.



True... it would get boring after awhile, One Dance was a tad too much in the end.
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post Jul 8 2017, 09:37 AM
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Went for stuck in the middle.

Sure, it helps smaller acts hit the top 40. Chasing Highs for example. Although it's down to just pure manipulation. Many songs below it probably sold more but are getting punished for it.
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post Jul 8 2017, 09:50 AM
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I'm in the middle. It's definitely better in terms of boosting newer songs like Sigala, ALMA, Post Malone & Hailee & I love that it makes the movement faster as everyone wants that.

The ACR thing I'm not sure on though, it was necessary for the album tracks stuff & im enjoying the clutter being freshened up too but for me I'm not keen on it resulting in large drops even for songs like Shape of You, I didn't really like it the way it was but the 11-23 drop just seems so odd after all that time & it makes the chart look not so genuine & despite it keeping chart listeners interested for the newer music getting a better advantage it just feels like the chart from a natural standpoint has lost what made it special to start with. I know streaming & lack of movement doesn't keep people interested either though... its a hard one.


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post Jul 8 2017, 09:56 AM
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It's more fun to follow, but it stings that it's essentially a made up chart now that doesn't do what it says on the tin. So I'm in the middle.
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post Jul 8 2017, 10:00 AM
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I was a bit baffled by it about a week or two ago. But I think what our good chart watching friend James Masterton said on the matter is spot on: http://www.masterton.co.uk/2017/06/the-great-chart-shake-up/
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post Jul 8 2017, 10:01 AM
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Well for me on a personal level it's for the better as it makes the Friday Chart Shows more interesting which is the only Chart-related aspect I have any interest in these days. I don't agree with the change on every other level though.
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post Jul 8 2017, 10:25 AM
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I do think that mammoth drop for Castle is ridiculous. Kinda highlights the negative side of these rules. It's obvious to anymore reading those charts that comment on the OCC site that there's manipulation involved & doesn't improve the chart anymore than it did before except for people wanting fresh new entries increasing & better movement to remove the stagnation. It kinda looks like a sales chart (aside from Post & Lil Uzi) more than anything.
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post Jul 8 2017, 10:34 AM
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It's too early to say. We've only seen one chart going from one rule format to another - give it a few weeks and we'll see how the chart will really be moving.
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post Jul 8 2017, 01:44 PM
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Better! The chart show yesterday felt so much better because we got a couple of new entries that wouldn't have made it otherwise. It's important for new music to be represented better in the charts and this is exactly what the ACR rule is all about, so it's doing a great job so far imo.

The three-per-artist thing hasn't really come into effect too much yet, we'll see what that's like when someone like Justin Bieber releases an album laugh.gif
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post Jul 8 2017, 02:26 PM
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I hope it is a better change than before. I'd like to see more new music chart higher, but time will tell.
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post Jul 8 2017, 03:22 PM
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A hundred times better than the old level playing field streaming ratio! More fresh music.
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post Jul 8 2017, 04:15 PM
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My issue with the ongoing changes are that outside of listening to music, my next favourite thing is monitoring all kinds of records. Whether these are sales based, or most weeks spent inside certain positions etc.

If they continue to attack streams in this way I would like to see them split the records into Old Era and New Era. I love seeing all kinds of records broken and these changes further cement every current record in place. Everyone loves seeing a World Record or Olympic Record beaten, and whilst the rush is much less in music it's still great when it happens.

We will never see any standing Record, Sales or Weeks based, broken under the new rules and I doubt this'll be the end of the attack on streaming. Anyway that's my piece, I'll stop going on about it now. It was what it is. There are many other ways to promote the freshness of new music but hey ho.
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post Jul 8 2017, 08:10 PM
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I can't believe people think it's a bad idea. I don't care about the charts anymore, my faves have long since fallen out of favour with the gp, but it's ridiculous to look at the charts nowadays and say "Ed Sheeran's bigger than MJ and Madonna!!". It's impossible to make a fair comparison between the sales and the streaming era. They need to either stick with the "Official Singles Chart" and have only record label nominated singles be eligible to chart or give up and rebrand it as the Hot 100. Preferably the former!
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post Jul 8 2017, 08:19 PM
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I don't mind the album rules so much, as they had to do something about the Ed Sheeran fiasco as that was just plain ridiculous. But I think they could have gone about it a slightly better way than they have done, preventing previous singles from charting just because they aren't in the top 3 bestsellers is a bit harsh.

But for the singles chart I just think these rules are stupid;

1) They are super confusing and makes following the chart even more difficult.

2) Don't make any sense at all as to why after 10 weeks (why 10 weeks not shorter timespan) a song should suddenly loose half of its streaming. Either have it 300:1 all the way or dont bother.

3) After all is said and done I really do not believe this is going to make a vast amount of difference. This week it has due to the amount of clutter that was eligible to be stripped of its streaming, but the next few weeks may see one or maybe two songs being penalised so really thats only going to allow maybe one or two extra songs to chart, but i suppose over time we will see.

I can see them altering these rules several times before they (and certain record labels) are happy with the result. Streaming really is a doubled edged sword of acting as a new sales platform but also as airplay due to people listening to the same song over and over again without any limit on how its added to the chart, allowing songs to rack up months and months within the top 40. However, trying to enforce an artificial chart run imho is just manipulation and isn't going to solve the problems streaming creates.
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