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post Oct 30 2017, 07:00 AM
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I know you don't like Mail articles, but this is on a subject that a lot of you have complained about

‘Do you expect me to hang around all day just to vote?’
Peer who claimed £14K in expenses but did not speak in the Chamber for a year moans about having to turn up to Parliament
Ex-CBI chief Lord Jones rarely votes or speaks on the House of Lords Chamber
He said he has more important things to do than hang around Parliament to vote
He said Lords often don't turn up for debates or know what they are voting on

A peer who claimed £14,000 in expenses without speaking in the Lords for a year today moaned about having to turn up to Parliament 'hang around' waiting to vote.

Ex-CBI chief Lord Jones sparked a storm of criticism after he was exposed as one of the peers who rarely bother turning up to the Lords chamber to speak or vote.

And in an astonishing defence of his paltry voting record, he said he has more important things to do than to hang around the Lords all day.

And he said that Lords and MPs often have no idea what they are voting on but just troop through the division lobbies on the order of their party whips.

Challenged about his poor voting and speaking record, Lord Jones told the BBC's Sunday Politics: 'Have you ever been and listened to a debate in the Lords?

Lord Jones, pictured on the Sunday Politics today, said he does not often speak or vote in the Cahmber because he does not have to want to hang around Parliament all day waiting

'You will see how many people are in there...there are usually between eight and 14 out of 800.

'And you have to put your name down in advance and you have to be there for the whole debate.'

He said you have to be in Parliament to vote 'and you don't know when the vote will be called - you have no idea when the vote is going to be called.

'Our legislature is stuff full of people waiting there.'

He added: 'I am not somebody who is going to hang around in Parliament's restaurants and bars waiting to vote.'

He was asked directly by the presenter Sarah Smith why he does not resign if he thinks much of the House of Lords work is a waste of time.

But defending pocketing the £300 daily allowance without speaking or voting very often, he said he has other important duties- like taking people to lunch in Parliament.

He said: 'There are many may things members of the Lords do that doesn't relate to parroting and following what somebody else says on the same subject - which I refuse to do, or speaking to an empty chamber or indeed hanging on, sometimes for hours, to vote.

'There are many many many other things that you do.

'You quote me as saying I will entertain at lunchtime or show people around the house - everyone from schoolchildren to inward investors, I will meet ministers about big business issues or education issues

'None of that relates to going in the House and getting on your hind legs.'

Lord Jones said he 'definitely' provides vale for money for taxpayers - but called for nearly half the peers to be axed from the House, reducing its size to 400.

He said he favours reforms like imposing a an age limit on peers of 75 or 80, or a time limit on how long they should serve for.

Lord Jones also tore into the many Lords and MPs who he said vote purely how their party chiefs tell them to and do not listen to debates.

He said: 'Do you really think that an MP or a member of the Lords who hasn't heard a moment of the debate, who then hears the ding ding ding of the bell, they don't know which lobby - the whips tell them - they haven't heard the debate they don't even know what they are voting on, then they go and do it.'

He also attacked hereditary peers for people who have their elevated position because of 'who daddy was'

His comments come ahead of the publication of a key report which will outline proposals to slash the number of peers in the Lords.
There have long been calls to reform the Chamber, which now has 800 peers and costs the taxpayer millions.
David Cameron's decision to make many of his former aides peers when he left No10 is has fuelled demand for reform.
But despite repeatedly calls for reform of the Chamber, politicians have shied away from tackling it and Theresa May is unlikely to be able to push through reforms given her wafer-thin working majority.
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post Oct 30 2017, 08:47 AM
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There is now provision for peers to retire from the Lords. Perhaps somebody ought to let Digby Jones know.
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post Oct 30 2017, 01:24 PM
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oh they were past their sell-by date when Victoria moved on and they didn't....
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post Oct 30 2017, 01:25 PM
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They need to go. They are not fit for purpose in a democracy.
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post Oct 30 2017, 01:55 PM
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Easy solution. Sack the lot of them. Introduce a proportionately elected upper house with numbers based on regional population share with a slight uptick (couple of extra people) for the three regions that are countries in their own rights in order to provide a more representative view on areas where Westminster has reserved powers.

Set them on set terms of 6 years and stagger it so half the chamber is elected every three years.

Numbers of no more than 150.

Simples! magic.gif
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post Oct 30 2017, 02:17 PM
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I know you don't like Mail articles, but this is on a subject that a lot of you have complained about

Finally a Daily Mail article many of us agree with! laugh.gif

Yes I don't think there is any place for an unelected House of Lords any more tbh. It is elitist and undemocratic I think. Hopefully Jeremy Corbyn with his socialist principles if/when he gets to be PM will do something about it.

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