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post Nov 26 2017, 06:31 PM
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this is something I find interesting, obvs I couldn't vote for the party I do anywhere else in the UK but although it doesn't really matter I have wondered what I'd vote if I was somewhere else. Discuss!!

England: I'm so disappointed in Labour's Brexit policy but I'd still vote for them in a marginal between them and the tories as they're obvs better, otherwise I'd vote Green or Lib Dem in a Lib Dem marginal or if there was no Green!
Wales: Plaid Cymru
Northern Ireland: I know the basic's of NI politics (SDLP and Sinn Fein are pro united Ireland with SF being the more extreme, UUP and DUP pro UK and DUP is more extreme/right wing and Alliance tends to be neutral and Lib Dem-ish I think) but not nearly enough to say what I'd vote there!

(ignore the poll, I posted the topic accidentally before I'd finished!)


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post Nov 26 2017, 06:52 PM
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I recently had to cross this bridge. I did vote labour in the end. My local MP is alright and thereís f*** all point in voting for anyone but labour here
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post Nov 26 2017, 06:55 PM
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I'd probably vote Labour everywhere, except maybe in Scotland where I'd vote for SNP some elections depending on the choice - i.e, Miliband.
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post Nov 26 2017, 07:26 PM
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Most likely Labour if I were voting in the rest of Great Britain, although would very much depend on the candidate in question.
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Living in Cheltenham there's zero point in voting Labour, but a few miles away in Gloucester they can win in their good years - so that's a 'maybe'.
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post Nov 26 2017, 07:31 PM
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I certainly wouldn't vote Labour in Scotland laugh.gif
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post Nov 26 2017, 07:33 PM
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I'd also tactically vote if the seat needed it, like to keep Zac Goldsmith out
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post Nov 26 2017, 08:10 PM
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QUOTE(Liаm @ Nov 26 2017, 07:31 PM) *
I certainly wouldn't vote Labour in Scotland laugh.gif

Yeah you may as well vote Tory. Same result
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post Nov 26 2017, 09:55 PM
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I'd vote for the not-Tory candidate in England or Wales. Not that the Lib Dems and Labour are the same, but I believe there's three Lib-Labour marginals and they're all student seats (Sheffield Hallam, Leeds North West, Cambridge), so you don't really need to choose between them for voting purposes.

In NI I'd vote SDLP or Alliance. Maybe Plaid in Wales.


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post Nov 26 2017, 10:46 PM
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I've never had to vote anything other than Labour due to the seats I've lived in. There's a handful (Richmond, Lewes, Westmorland) where I would consider voting Lib Dem to keep the Tories out. The fact that doing so could technically get me kicked out of the party is yet another showcase of how nonsensical First Past the Post is.
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QUOTE(Soy AdriŠn @ Nov 26 2017, 10:46 PM) *
I've never had to vote anything other than Labour due to the seats I've lived in. There's a handful (Richmond, Lewes, Westmorland) where I would consider voting Lib Dem to keep the Tories out. The fact that doing so could technically get me kicked out of the party is yet another showcase of how nonsensical First Past the Post is.

I'd really love England to go to the system in Scotland/Wales but it's unlikely given there'd have to be either a massive increase in seats or a massive decline in constituency seats. Tbf, this last election wasn't as bad in terms of proportionality as previous ones, obviously the Tories/DUP getting a majority of seats despite the vast majority of the voters opposing them is awful. In Scotland the vote share and seats vote share of each party roughly matches up in most cases, in Wales not so much but that's because they weighted it so there were double the constituency than list seats.
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post Nov 26 2017, 11:18 PM
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QUOTE(Soy AdriŠn @ Nov 26 2017, 10:46 PM) *
I've never had to vote anything other than Labour due to the seats I've lived in. There's a handful (Richmond, Lewes, Westmorland) where I would consider voting Lib Dem to keep the Tories out. The fact that doing so could technically get me kicked out of the party is yet another showcase of how nonsensical First Past the Post is.


I thought your vote would be secret from them??
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post Nov 27 2017, 08:27 AM
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QUOTE(ChRiMbO LeG PiPe @ Nov 26 2017, 11:18 PM) *
I thought your vote would be secret from them??

Obviously it's a secret ballot - but announcing it on social media etc. could get you kicked out.
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post Nov 28 2017, 04:18 PM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Nov 26 2017, 07:31 PM) *
Living in Cheltenham there's zero point in voting Labour, but a few miles away in Gloucester they can win in their good years - so that's a 'maybe'.


With the proviso that Corbyn no longer be leader, of course.
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Why?

He is FAR better than Mad May.

Would you prefer a suited and booted Eton educated toff? Won't look after your interests...
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QUOTE(ChRiMbO LeG PiPe @ Nov 28 2017, 05:39 PM) *
Why?

He is FAR better than Mad May.

Would you prefer a suited and booted Eton educated toff? Won't look after your interests...


Why? Because he makes Red Ken look moderate!

Labour are more electable when they are less left-wing - that's why they won a landslide victory in 1997.
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post Nov 29 2017, 06:56 AM
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Yet no one says the Tories are less electable when they veer far away from the centre. If the centre is electable, why is the ruling party one of the most right-wing in the Western world? It's because the narrative has been subtly altered to prime people into thinking Corbyn looks dangerous when his policies are mainstream centre-left.
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post Nov 29 2017, 07:01 AM
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QUOTE(Iz~ @ Nov 29 2017, 06:56 AM) *
Yet no one says the Tories are less electable when they veer far away from the centre. If the centre is electable, why is the ruling party one of the most right-wing in the Western world? It's because the narrative has been subtly altered to prime people into thinking Corbyn looks dangerous when his policies are mainstream centre-left.


That's not the judgement voters seem to have made last June.
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Nov 29 2017, 07:01 AM) *
That's not the judgement voters seem to have made last June.


We can't really infer much from what the voters as a whole wanted when they are further pushed into a left vs right battle because of the very system this thread is rightly against.

However the reception that Labour got in the campaign, from such a low base at the start was, people anti-voting Tories aside, not the reception for a leader that could never take power or who had unpopular policies. It's not outlandish to say that on an election today he'd win - hardly unelectable.

Besides using electable/unelectable is problematic for the same reason FPTP is problematic, it subtly favours the incumbent no matter what they're doing. If your nearest rival can be easily dismissed as unelectable, congratulations, you're moving towards a one party state.
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post Nov 29 2017, 09:21 AM
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QUOTE(Iz~ @ Nov 29 2017, 08:42 AM) *
We can't really infer much from what the voters as a whole wanted when they are further pushed into a left vs right battle because of the very system this thread is rightly against.

However the reception that Labour got in the campaign, from such a low base at the start was, people anti-voting Tories aside, not the reception for a leader that could never take power or who had unpopular policies. It's not outlandish to say that on an election today he'd win - hardly unelectable.

Besides using electable/unelectable is problematic for the same reason FPTP is problematic, it subtly favours the incumbent no matter what they're doing. If your nearest rival can be easily dismissed as unelectable, congratulations, you're moving towards a one party state.


Corbyn is far more popular amongst the young though, for reasons that have already be well discussed in this forum.

As for whether someone is 'unelectable', if enough voters decide otherwise, then no amount of negative campaigning will prevent them from prevailing.
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