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vidsanta
post Dec 6 2017, 07:17 AM
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Has the experiment failed?

One of its purposes was to stop songs hanging around for ages, but all it seems to do is drop them a few places, after which they continue to hang around at a lower level.

While this does help newer songs a bit, it also lets lesser songs attain positions they don't really deserve, and along with ACR, drag down sales overall.
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post Dec 6 2017, 07:25 AM
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disagree, has not failed, serves its purpose as a cap so that streams don't count til the infinite and beyond when someone has already streamed shape of you 769 times, it's not ideal, a cap would be better but kinda works

not sure why you say songs achieve positions they don't deserve, it's the other way around, shape of you doesn't deserve to be top 40 now cos no one is streaming for the first time this week but for the 1437th time

so even if not ideal, it serves the purpose

and <i think it has worked, we got many more newies than before and the chart is more dynamic (and more fair)
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post Dec 6 2017, 09:38 AM
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By a cap would you be saying that once someone has listened to a song 150 times it should no longer count?
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post Dec 6 2017, 10:46 AM
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QUOTE(FleetSeb @ Dec 6 2017, 09:38 AM) *
By a cap would you be saying that once someone has listened to a song 150 times it should no longer count?


Realistically, who listens to a song that many times - and how many songs are likely to be listened to that many times?
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post Dec 6 2017, 10:48 AM
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I don't think you could argue that it has failed, the desired effect was to allow more entries in the 31-40 range that would otherwise have missed and to prevent songs hanging around in the Top 10 forever. In that respect it has worked very well.

QUOTE(Bjork @ Dec 6 2017, 07:25 AM) *
not sure why you say songs achieve positions they don't deserve, it's the other way around, shape of you doesn't deserve to be top 40 now cos no one is streaming for the first time this week but for the 1437th time


I see what you mean here but I don't actually agree with this logic. In the physical era for instance you could buy as many copies as you want often weeks apart or when different versions/formats were released so the enduring appeal of a record - for instance “Relax” by Frankie Goes To Hollywood is registered by the chart. Besides Ed is still Top 40 with “Shape Of You” anyway, and how then do you explain the logic of the Christmas songs reappearing every year? This for won't be the first time that people have streamed these tracks and yet they are given a huge advantage over a current single just because it has been out for 10 weeks or more and happens to have had a few weeks of consecutive falls in sales (relative to the market).
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post Dec 6 2017, 11:05 AM
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I do think it has worked. There will never be a perfect system to manage how people stream and consume music for charts, but I think it does help things move more in the top 40. It would be better if it was a more gradual increase in the ratio as I know has been mentioned many times before, but I guess just have the one extra ratio keeps things a bit simpler in an already complicated (and confusing) chart system.
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post Dec 6 2017, 11:22 AM
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There are some quirks and annoyances as to be expected from such arbitrary restrictions but on the whole I guess it's doing a good job of making the top 40/100 less clogged up with the same old hits. It does make the chart show more interesting to tune into (for the first half an hour or so at least).
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post Dec 6 2017, 11:43 AM
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It's far from perfect but overall I've enjoyed the charts much more since ACR came about. It's so refreshing to see a greater amount of new entries in the top 40, as well as other artists achieving their first top 10/top 40.
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post Dec 6 2017, 11:47 AM
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QUOTE(vidsanta @ Dec 6 2017, 10:46 AM) *
Realistically, who listens to a song that many times - and how many songs are likely to be listened to that many times?


Well exactly, I don't think many people listen to a song more than 100 times let alone 150. The proportion of people that do must be relatively minor and so have a negligible effect on the chart.

It's not people listening to Shape of You 150 times that kept it up, it's millions of people listening to it say 5 times a week for 10 weeks that keeps it up there.
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post Dec 6 2017, 11:48 AM
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Charts have seen a change for the better. But there are some annoyances Like songs rising out of nowhere; Random performance/sudden death of a musician/christmas' natural progress is hugely hindered.
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post Dec 6 2017, 07:12 PM
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I'd rather it was there than wasn't, but a lot more needs to be done to fix the chart
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post Dec 6 2017, 08:51 PM
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I'm not a fan of how it works - it should be more stagnated - but the fact I'm saying that rather than that it shouldn't be there at all says something.
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post Dec 6 2017, 09:01 PM
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The problem is as downloads decrease in number so as not to justify such an influence in the chart as they have at the minute with the ratio what will happen? Will the chart go back to being as slow as it was in 2016 eventually, which I assume will happen?

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