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Shia LeMuffQueef
post Feb 9 2018, 09:55 PM
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The OCC's list of best selling bands in the UK:

ARTIST COMBINED SALES TOTAL BIGGEST SELLING SINGLE
1 BEATLES 22.1 MILLION SHE LOVES YOU
2 QUEEN 12.8 MILLION BOHEMIAN RHAPSODY
3 ABBA 11.3 MILLION DANCING QUEEN
4 ROLLING STONES 10.1 MILLION (I CAN'T GET NO) SATISFACTION
5 OASIS 9.079 MILLION WONDERWALL
6 TAKE THAT 9.078 MILLION BACK FOR GOOD
7 SPICE GIRLS 8.0 MILLION WANNABE
8 BEE GEES 7.6 MILLION HOW DEEP IS YOUR LOVE
9 U2 7.5 MILLION WITH OR WITHOUT YOU
10 STATUS QUO 7.2 MILLION ROCKIN' ALL OVER THE WORLD
11 BOYZONE 7.1 MILLION NO MATTER WHAT
12 BLONDIE 7.037 MILLION HEART OF GLASS
13 BLACK EYED PEAS 7.034 MILLION I GOTTA FEELING
14 BONEY M 6.859 MILLION RIVERS OF BABYLON / BROWN GIRL IN THE RING
15 SLADE 6.856 MILLION MERRY XMAS EVERYBODY
16 WESTLIFE 6.830 MILLION UPTOWN GIRL
17 UB40 6.6 MILLION RED RED WINE
18 MADNESS 6.15 MILLION BAGGY TROUSERS
19 POLICE 6.1 MILLION DON'T STAND SO CLOSE TO ME
20 WHAM! 5.9 MILLION LAST CHRISTMAS / EVERYTHING SHE WANTS

http://www.officialcharts.com/chart-news/t...evealed-__2515/

The Spices are the ONLY!!!! girl band on the lsit, and their sales are nothing special compared to the rest of the list.

Why do girl bands struggle to do well? The biggest girl band EVER has low sales worldwide or in the UK compared to other types of acts.
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post Feb 10 2018, 12:46 AM
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(Let's bear in mind that article is from November 2012)

I don't think these sales could be described as "nothing special" given the acts listed above them released many more singles than the Spice Girls did. Spice Girls sold 8 million physical/download singles, with just 11 singles. Making them the 7th best selling singles act of all time, up to that point? That's huge!

As for other girl groups, a few major ones were releasing in the 2000s, when the singles market wasn't very strong. Before streaming, Atomic Kitten had sold around 3 million singles in total, Sugababes had exceeded 4 million sales, Girls Aloud had also sold over 4 million. The Saturdays were releasing during the strongest time for downloads (early 2010s) and possibly sold around 3.5m singles in total.

Streaming has changed everything. Little Mix have sold over 10 million singles in the UK, but a few million will be the accumulation of streaming units. The above list would certainly look very different nowadays.
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post Feb 10 2018, 06:30 AM
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Wow, so Little Mix are bigger in the UK than the Spices? ohmy.gif But they suck!
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post Feb 10 2018, 07:49 AM
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Little Mix are releasing in a completely different era and market - it'd be quite impossible to compare the two groups purely based on their sales. It's not as black and white as "Little Mix have sold 10 million primarily with downloads/streaming, Spice Girls have sold 8 million primarily with physicals, therefore Little Mix are bigger".
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post Feb 10 2018, 10:58 AM
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To be fair apart from Oasis, Westlife and the Black Eyed Peas (how did THEY make it up there???) they're also the most recent band on that list. No-one is selling that much anymore unless they have several huge hits like BEP (I'm guessing, Where Is The Love and I Gotta Feeling make up the bulk of those sales).

What recent pop bands have multiple massive hits? Little Mix: Black Magic and Shout Out to My Ex. (Maybe Touch) One Direction: What Makes You Beautiful and maybe two more at a push. Can't think of that many more off the top of my head and indie/rock have been locked out of the charts for like five years now.


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I think the modern day streaming sales are offensive to actual million sellers from the 90s,80s etc...

I see that LM have 3 million sellers, where as Spice Girls technically have 2, but most of their million seller have sold between 500-600k in pure sales.

I think acts like Ed Sheeran who have multi million selling songs when a large amount of them are streams has really ruined the history of the charts and the way the singles charts are now.
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post Feb 10 2018, 11:46 AM
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Actually when you look at the ones above them, apart from the Beatles, they have a much better ratio of sales to single. The Beatles one is astonishing at over 1 million for 22 singles released. After them Spice Girls are easily the biggest seller in ratio of releases to sales. They have 727,000 for 8 million over 11 singles while the Rolling Stones only have 171,000 ratio of sales to 59 releases and Take That and Queens ratio is in the 200,000 mark.


1. Beatles [22.1 million over 22 singles - working out over 1 million per single wow]
2. Queen [12.8 million over 54 singles - working out approx 237,000 per single]
3. Abba [11.3 million over 25 UK singles - working out approx 452,000 per single]
4. Rolling Stones [10.1 million over 59 UK singles - working out approx 171,000 per single]
5. Oasis [9.1 million over 28 UK singles - working over approx 325,000 per single]
6. Take That [9.1 million over 35 UK singles working out approx 260,000 per single]
7. Spice Girls [8.0 million over 11 UK singles working out approx 727,000 per single]


Spice Girls were remarkable sellers for their short 2 year active period!
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If the Spice Girls had had another album with Geri followed by FOREVER, they would have had more #1s and probably sold 10-12m in the UK easily.
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post Feb 10 2018, 01:37 PM
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QUOTE(Spice Girls Net @ Feb 10 2018, 12:00 PM) *
If the Spice Girls had had another album with Geri followed by FOREVER, they would have had more #1s and probably sold 10-12m in the UK easily.



Obviously we have no way of truly knowing what their sales would have been like in 1998-99 had they continued as they were. However Goodbye's sales is a good indication that they would have continued on the same track as they were on with singles selling between 400-1 million. I think 10-12 million is very likely too. Such a shame they wasted it all on solo ambitions and egos.
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They should have separate lists for pre streaming and post streaming eras
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post Feb 10 2018, 03:40 PM
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Although I'm not sure if Stop did a LOT worse because they were becoming less popular, or because people didn't like Stop.
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QUOTE(Shia LeMuffQueef @ Feb 10 2018, 03:40 PM) *
Although I'm not sure if Stop did a LOT worse because they were becoming less popular, or because people didn't like Stop.


Stop was still a good seller in comparison to other hit singles of the day. It simply paled in comparison to the rest of their discography which was intense sales. It has sold 420,000 which is a Gold record at the end of the day. Stop was simply a victim of being released in the same week as a huge million selling single which took most of the public's attention. If you think as a teenager generally you only had money for 1 single a week (that was me anyway) so most were choosing the million selling mega hit. You also have to consider that it was the 3rd single from a huge million selling album too, and actually Viva Forever was probably propelled by it being Geri's last single and the girls as a four piece getting support and attention that Stop didn't get...
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QUOTE(Shia LeMuffQueef @ Feb 10 2018, 06:30 AM) *
Wow, so Little Mix are bigger in the UK than the Spices? ohmy.gif But they suck!


I feel like your opinion of Little Mix is a bit warped. Regardless of weather you think they ‘suck’ they’re one of the biggest acts in the Uk now, let alone girl group.
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Boney M was MOSTLY a girl group though on the list. 1 man and 3 women!

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QUOTE(Spiceboy @ Feb 10 2018, 11:46 AM) *
The Beatles one is astonishing at over 1 million for 22 singles released.

While it's true that they officially had 22 main singles released while they were active, they had a few other singles released too, and then a lot of re-issues. Also it's worth noting that as of 2010, their back catalogue was released digitally - so some of their classic songs that weren't singles started to sell, which also contributes towards the overall total of 22 million sales as of 2012. (Technically speaking, the 8 million sales by the Spice Girls would have included some sales of their album tracks/B Sides, but presumably these would have been very minimal amounts).

Not that I'm trying to downplay The Beatles' obviously phenomenal success by any means! They're still by far the best selling band by a distance, but their average sales per single isn't 1 million each.

Nevertheless, their six million sellers (sales as of 2012) sold a highly impressive 9.06m between them! Then there's another 26 singles + various back catalogue titles that have an additional 13 million sales between them.

1.90m - She Loves You
1.77m - I Want to Hold Your Hand
1.53m - Can't Buy Me Love
1.41m - I Feel Fine
1.39m - We Can Work It Out / Day Tripper
1.06m - Hey Jude

Also, in 2015 OCC published a list of best selling Beatles songs: http://www.officialcharts.com/chart-news/t...evealed__10575/ which shows that they count other titles beyond the 22 main singles. Interestingly the digital release of Here Comes the Sun, which only peaked at #58 in 2010, had outsold the #4 peaking single Real Love from 1996.

The Beatles ~ UK Top 100 chart entries:

1962-1970
01 - #17 - Love Me Do
02 - #02 - Please Please Me
03 - #01 - From Me To You
04 - #48 - My Bonnie
05 - #01 - She Loves You
06 - #01 - I Want To Hold Your Hand
07 - #01 - Can't Buy Me Love
08 - #29 - Ain't She Sweet
09 - #01 - A Hard Day's Night
10 - #01 - I Feel Fine
11 - #01 - Ticket to Ride
12 - #01 - Help!
13 - #01 - Day Tripper / We Can Work It Out
14 - #01 - Paperback Writer
15 - #01 - Yellow Submarine / Eleanor Rigby
16 - #02 - Penny Lane / Strawberry Fields Forever
17 - #01 - All You Need Is Love
18 - #01 - Hello Goodbye
19 - #02 - Magic Mystery Tour EP
20 - #01 - Lady Madonna
21 - #01 - Hey Jude
22 - #01 - Get Back
23 - #01 - The Ballad of John and Yoko
24 - #04 - Something / Come Together
25 - #02 - Let It Be

Additional Singles (1976-1996)
26 - #08 - Yesterday
27 - #19 - Back in the U.S.S.R.
28 - #63 - Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band / With a Little Help from My Friends
29 - #10 - The Beatles Movie Medley
30 - #07 - Baby It's You
31 - #02 - Free as a Bird
32 - #04 - Real Love

1976 Re-issues
#12 - Hey Jude
#23 - Paperback Writer
#28 - Get Back
#32 - Strawberry Fields Forever (Separate Entry)
#37 - Help!

1980s Re-issues
#04 - Love Me Do
#29 - Please Please Me
#40 - From Me To You
#45 - She Loves You
#62 - I Want To Hold Your Hand
#53 - Can't Buy Me Love
#52 - A Hard Day's Night
#65 - I Feel Fine
#70 - Ticket to Ride
#86 - Help!
#79 - Day Tripper / We Can Work It Out
#78 - Paperback Writer
#63 - Yellow Submarine / Eleanor Rigby
#65 - Penny Lane / Strawberry Fields Forever
#47 - All You Need Is Love
#63 - Hello Goodbye
#67 - Lady Madonna
#52 - Hey Jude
#74 - Get Back
#84 - The Ballad of John and Yoko
#84 - Something / Come Together

1990s Re-issues
#78 - Let It Be
#53 - Love Me Do

2010 "first time charting" songs
#48 - Twist and Shout
#58 - Here Comes the Sun
#78 - In My Life
#81 - Come Together (Separate Entry)
#90 - I Saw Her Standing There
#94 - Eleanor Rigby (Separate Entry)
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