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post Mar 6 2018, 08:43 PM
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Although they have to do it as stations are scared of quiet and silence, boosting the quiet places in songs and compressing the louder bits.

I do it with the stuff I play on my shows as it helps my on air workload, so I don't need to keep adjusting the trim knob constantly, and the station output being a community station is not fully compressed, I personally feel it sounds better compressed as it goes out, much more power, but it's just my preference. You have more freedom to do more on a community station.

But, do you like the compressed sound, or the natural uncompressed sound, just as the music track comes.
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post Mar 6 2018, 09:08 PM
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Oh my, so sometimes the songs played on radio sound different to the same songs played on spotify in terms of sound levels? Never knew that ohmy.gif

Is there less difference then between the loud and quiet bits of a song if audio compression is used? I know classical music sometimes has big differences in sound levels throughout a piece and I could still hear the big differences if I listen to Classic FM for example.
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post Mar 6 2018, 09:21 PM
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QUOTE(The Hissmobile @ Mar 6 2018, 09:08 PM) *
Oh my, so sometimes the songs played on radio sound different to the same songs played on spotify in terms of sound levels? Never knew that ohmy.gif

Is there less difference then between the loud and quiet bits of a song if audio compression is used? I know classical music sometimes has big differences in sound levels throughout a piece and I could still hear the big differences if I listen to Classic FM for example.



When you listen to some tracks, you can sometimes hear the quiet bits sound like the volume has been turned up, when I dynamic Process in cool edit, the sound wave evens out quite a bit, there is many different settings in processing you can use, some do it more extreme than others, it is a complex science...
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post Mar 6 2018, 09:33 PM
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Interesting, I will have to keep my ears out for the quiet bits of songs on radio to see if it sounds like they have been turned up.

Why don't studio versions of songs destined for radio play (the radio edits) just have audio compression anyway so the stations don't have to turn it on themselves?


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QUOTE(The Hissmobile @ Mar 6 2018, 09:33 PM) *
Interesting, I will have to keep my ears out for the quiet bits of songs on radio to see if it sounds like they have been turned up.

Why don't studio versions of songs destined for radio play (the radio edits) just have audio compression anyway so the stations don't have to turn it on themselves?


The artists want it that way probably.






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post Mar 6 2018, 09:46 PM
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QUOTE(The Hissmobile @ Mar 6 2018, 09:33 PM) *
Interesting, I will have to keep my ears out for the quiet bits of songs on radio to see if it sounds like they have been turned up.

Why don't studio versions of songs destined for radio play (the radio edits) just have audio compression anyway so the stations don't have to turn it on themselves?



The Free software Audacity has a compressor in the software, download it drag a song in to it perform a compression step, and see some differences to the sound file...
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post Mar 6 2018, 09:49 PM
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QUOTE(sm1ffj @ Mar 6 2018, 09:43 PM) *
The artists want it that way probably.


Yeah and also non compressed songs probably sound better played in speakers, maybe!

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The Free software Audacity has a compressor in the software, download it drag a song in to it perform a compression step, and see some differences to the sound file...


Oh my I actually use Audacity (and an electronic piano program and sound recorder program) to make songs so I have it, so I will have to try it out.
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I HATE WHEN RADIO does this lol
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post Mar 7 2018, 08:20 AM
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Commercial radio spend thousands on optimods and processing to try and make the station sound as vibrant as possible. Flick between Radio's 1 and 2 and you can tell the difference in processing instantly.
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post Mar 7 2018, 12:37 PM
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I mostly listen in my car and radio music sounds quite flat compared to the depth I get from itune-mp3's burned onto CD - and even then the quality varies between tracks, some are louder, more panoramic, some are more like the radio - Jeff Lynne and Lady Gaga tracks are examples of downloads that just didn't cut it in terms of overall depth compared to others I downloaded at the same time last year.

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post Mar 8 2018, 07:01 PM
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I read somewhere this week that Steve Wright on Radio 2 asks the technical operator for loads of compression on the music in his shows. The TO's don't necessarily agree with so much but do what he requests as he's such a big name.His show has far more compression than other R2 shows.
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post Mar 9 2018, 12:05 AM
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QUOTE(Crazy Chris @ Mar 8 2018, 07:01 PM) *
I read somewhere this week that Steve Wright on Radio 2 asks the technical operator for loads of compression on the music in his shows. The TO's don't necessarily agree with so much but do what he requests as he's such a big name.His show has far more compression than other R2 shows.


Oh my! Wonder why Steve Wright apparently likes compression so much? I know he has been on air a long time, I was listening to archived R1 shows from the 80s and he was presenting, so maybe having a lot of compression is what happened in the past a lot on radio and he is maybe more used to it.

Must listen to Steve Wright's show and see if I can hear the additional compression use.

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There are only really big variations between quiet and louder parts in classical music songs/long progressive rock songs/trance music I thought, and most studio versions of the kind of songs that get played on radio don't have massive variations in volume anyway I didn't think. The exception would be certain power ballads for example, like Whitney Houston - I Will Always Love You which would have big volume differences between loud and quiet bits.

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Flick between Radio's 1 and 2 and you can tell the difference in processing instantly.


How do these two stations differ in processing and which one has more compression? unsure.gif
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post Mar 13 2018, 11:33 AM
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QUOTE(Crazy Chris @ Mar 8 2018, 07:01 PM) *
I read somewhere this week that Steve Wright on Radio 2 asks the technical operator for loads of compression on the music in his shows. The TO's don't necessarily agree with so much but do what he requests as he's such a big name.His show has far more compression than other R2 shows.


Couldn't find the article from this week, but here's something I found from 2010 about Steve Wright show and its sound compression. Someone near the end of the thread makes a good point sound compression makes it sound better if there is a lot of background noise, and I assume as most people listen to Steve Wright in their cars / at work then that kind of makes sense.

https://forums.digitalspy.com/discussion/12...-sounds-rubbish
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post Mar 13 2018, 02:44 PM
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I Played Sweet - Love is like Oxygen this week, I processed that song, sounds so much better..
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post Mar 13 2018, 02:55 PM
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QUOTE(sm1ffj @ Mar 13 2018, 02:44 PM) *
I Played Sweet - Love is like Oxygen this week, I processed that song, sounds so much better..


Maybe its predominantly retro songs then that sound better compressed then? Possibly because the production methods back then when the song was made weren't as good?


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post Mar 13 2018, 02:59 PM
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QUOTE(The Hissmobile @ Mar 13 2018, 02:55 PM) *
Maybe its predominantly retro songs then that sound better compressed then? Possibly because the production methods back then when the song was made weren't as good?



That was just an example, I process the new songs by Camilla Cabello & Jax Jones, they are improved too...

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post Apr 6 2018, 03:18 PM
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QUOTE(sm1ffj @ Mar 13 2018, 03:59 PM) *
That was just an example, I process the new songs by Camilla Cabello & Jax Jones, they are improved too...


So you play loads of different songs from different eras on your radio station and the songs all come out with more power because of the compression as you say? Sounds excellent!

Would you say you use the same levels of compression as Steve Wright on Radio 2 would use? Also do you know if Radio 1 uses much compression?
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post Apr 6 2018, 04:14 PM
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QUOTE(gavindeejay @ Mar 7 2018, 09:20 AM) *
Commercial radio spend thousands on optimods and processing to try and make the station sound as vibrant as possible. Flick between Radio's 1 and 2 and you can tell the difference in processing instantly.


The loudness war is in FULL EFFECT
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post Apr 6 2018, 04:38 PM
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QUOTE(DropzoneUK @ Apr 6 2018, 05:14 PM) *
The loudness war is in FULL EFFECT


Oh my! I assumed before this thread was created that songs released in this day and age were the highest possible sound quality for playing on radio without the need for further processing. ohmy.gif I even thought the smaller stations may have just used an online streaming service (such is the number of songs on there) to play songs directly!


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post Apr 6 2018, 05:11 PM
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QUOTE(The Snake 🐍 @ Apr 6 2018, 05:38 PM) *
Oh my! I assumed before this thread was created that songs released in this day and age were the highest possible sound quality for playing on radio without the need for further processing. ohmy.gif I even thought the smaller stations may have just used an online streaming service (such is the number of songs on there) to play songs directly!

to be fair i think they probably are, in my opinion copious amounts of extra compression on the master track worsens the sound quality if anything, the stations want it to sound louder as you change station so it 'feels' like better quality, when in fact its compressed to shit and has zero dynamics lol
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