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5 Silas Frøkner
post May 20 2018, 12:53 PM
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J-Drives on stand-by everyone!!!

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Our friends at the Times are reporting that the Tories are gearing up for an Autumn snap-election.


Because another one of those is exactly what we need. The fixed term parliament act should just be binned it's clearly entirely useless.



I wonder if this was the Tory party instructions to May:



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post May 20 2018, 01:08 PM
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You're joking. Not another one. For god's sake.
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post May 20 2018, 01:12 PM
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QUOTE(danG @ May 20 2018, 02:08 PM) *
You're joking. Not another one. For god's sake.


And it's not even Apr 1st. tongue.gif
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post May 20 2018, 01:23 PM
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At least I'd be able to vote in this one!
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post May 20 2018, 01:24 PM
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Sceptical Brett is sceptical that this is going to happen, but I can see the logic behind why the Conservatives would go for it. Since the last General Election, Jeremy Corbyn's popularity with the public has sharply decreased from being even with Theresa May to just 25% (Theresa May's popularity has remained somewhat consistent, at around 40%), so they may be trying to capitalize on that, although that tactic didn't work last time.

The question is though, would there be enough support amongst MPs for a 2/3 majority for a new election if the Conservatives were to call fresh elections? Because I feel that there may be enough opposition to stop it from being pushed through.
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post May 20 2018, 01:25 PM
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QUOTE(Brett-Butler @ May 20 2018, 02:24 PM) *
Sceptical Brett is sceptical that this is going to happen, but I can see the logic behind why the Conservatives would go for it. Since the last General Election, Jeremy Corbyn's popularity with the public has sharply decreased from being even with Theresa May to just 25% (Theresa May's popularity has remained somewhat consistent, at around 40%), so they may be trying to capitalize on that, although that tactic didn't work last time.

The question is though, would there be enough support amongst MPs for a 2/3 majority for a new election if the Conservatives were to call fresh elections? Because I feel that there may be enough opposition to stop it from being pushed through.


It depends how confident Corbyn is.
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post May 20 2018, 01:31 PM
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I get the feeling that Labour would vote with them thinking they could be the winners of the election
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post May 20 2018, 02:04 PM
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QUOTE(5 Silas Frøkner @ May 20 2018, 02:31 PM) *
I get the feeling that Labour would vote with them thinking they could be the winners of the election


I can't imagine the Tories would be as complacent or as badly prepared this time, though.
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post May 20 2018, 02:51 PM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ May 20 2018, 03:04 PM) *
I can't imagine the Tories would be as complacent or as badly prepared this time, though.

May is still the leader and she is truly useless at interacting with people who have a net worth of less than £150m. There’s no getting away from the fact that every public appearance by her is a PR disaster. It’s as if Terri Coverly is organising her press!

On the flip side, Corbyn seems to be at peak useful when on the campaign. It hides his inadequacies quite well (his lack of spine or Brexit stance)


If both parties could overthrow their leaders in the next fortnight that’d be champion
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post May 20 2018, 03:03 PM
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If this goes ahead, then for once I'd go into a general election having genuinely no idea who would win. The Tories seem to have turned a small Labour lead from last year into a small lead for them, but obviously Labour's campaign did amazingly for them last time but you wouldn't think that would happen twice so I have no idea laugh.gif None of the two biggest parties are appealing much to me atm, obviously I support the SNP in Scotland but UK wide I'd like to see the Lib Dems do well and I think they could halt any progress Labour was making in the remain-Tory areas of the South East where they had the huge vote share gains last time, due to their hard Brexit policy.
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post May 20 2018, 03:11 PM
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Would it be even more of a two-party battle than last time?

What will happen to the 550k UKIP votes from 2017, I wonder?
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QUOTE(5 Silas Frøkner @ May 20 2018, 01:53 PM) *
The fixed term parliament act should just be binned it's clearly entirely useless.


100% this!

Anyway we definitely won't be having a general election this year so don't worry folks.
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post May 20 2018, 04:19 PM
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Having read that Sunday Times article it seemed to be more based around the fact that Tory MPs were hedging their bets on whatever fudge Maybot brings back to them being such a mess that it would be voted down in the commons and thus would force a vote of no confidence in her which, to their credit, seems like a more plausible situation than them just rolling the dice again.
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A general election with 2 useless party leaders neither of whom have a clear policy on the most important issue facing our country since the War, and both leading a parties who are split on the issue, and asking for support from a country which is also equally split?

What could possibly go wrong?

On the plus side it'll f*** up Brexit again to the extent that the next election in 5 supposed years time will take place before a final vote on whatever deal is eventually settled with. Leaving time to get a party leader in place to take over from whichever of the 2 current party-numpties is dumped after the 2nd 2018 election.

If May loses she's history. If Corbyn loses he's a two-time loser and no amount of "he didn't do as badly as we all expected" will cover that with sticky tape. So a chance for someone with a clear idea of what to do for the best of the country to be elected in ready to take over as Brexit becomes obviously a huge mistake (5 years of downward economic activity on top of the last 2 should hammer the point home nicely....)
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post May 21 2018, 05:41 AM
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QUOTE(Popchartfreak @ May 20 2018, 08:05 PM) *
A general election with 2 useless party leaders neither of whom have a clear policy on the most important issue facing our country since the War, and both leading a parties who are split on the issue, and asking for support from a country which is also equally split?

What could possibly go wrong?


Whenever the next election is, that above situation isn't likely to change.

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On the plus side it'll f*** up Brexit again to the extent that the next election in 5 supposed years time will take place before a final vote on whatever deal is eventually settled with. Leaving time to get a party leader in place to take over from whichever of the 2 current party-numpties is dumped after the 2nd 2018 election.
Did I miss one earlier in the year, then? smile.gif

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If May loses she's history. If Corbyn loses he's a two-time loser and no amount of "he didn't do as badly as we all expected" will cover that with sticky tape. So a chance for someone with a clear idea of what to do for the best of the country to be elected in ready to take over as Brexit becomes obviously a huge mistake (5 years of downward economic activity on top of the last 2 should hammer the point home nicely....)


If Brexit were to go pear-shaped it wouldn't matter which party was in power - whichever it was would take the blame.
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post May 21 2018, 07:07 AM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ May 21 2018, 06:41 AM) *
Whenever the next election is, that above situation isn't likely to change.

Did I miss one earlier in the year, then? smile.gif
If Brexit were to go pear-shaped it wouldn't matter which party was in power - whichever it was would take the blame.


Yes, which is why another election is pointless.

Tories will take the Blame whatever happens because they have adopted UKIP policies. Labour is trying to appear as if they are blameless and pure, as opposed to trying to limit the damage by actually doing something, and I expect they will get away with it unless they accidentally get into power. Corbyn will only get blamed personally if he runs the country and follows the same Hard Brexit line as the Tories (which is waht he wants, the man who called for the immediate triggering of article 50 the day after the referendum. Complete political dick then and no change since)
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post May 21 2018, 08:06 AM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ May 21 2018, 06:41 AM) *
Whenever the next election is, that above situation isn't likely to change.

Did I miss one earlier in the year, then? smile.gif
If Brexit were to go pear-shaped it wouldn't matter which party was in power - whichever it was would take the blame.

So why are the Tories and their friends in the press doing so much to convince people that the blame lies anywhere but with them?
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post May 21 2018, 08:08 AM
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So why are the Tories and their friends in the press doing so much to convince people that the blame lies anywhere but with them?


Because they are politicians. QED. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ May 21 2018, 09:08 AM) *
Because they are politicians. QED. tongue.gif


Too cynical for even me...

Non-lying politicians exist, gasp! ohmy.gif

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