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post Dec 31 2018, 07:21 AM
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One of the main ones is that the winning party automatically assumes, and acts as though, that you endorse their whole policy package, in reality that is never the case.

Voting is a series of compromises that often means you vote against the parties and/or policies you don't like, rather than positively for ones you do. That means we tend to end up with the 'least-disliked' party in power - hardly an ideal situation.

That is why I tend to favour direct democracy, where your views can affect policy directly, rather than suffer a series of compromises that satisfies virtually no-one.
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post Dec 31 2018, 09:45 AM
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The trouble with that is that referendums usually boil down to a binary choice. Surely the last 2 1/2 years have shown where that leads.

Life is about compromise. Besides, governments sometimes have to show leadership rather than always pursuing the popular choice.

Of course the assumption that all voters agree with every dot and comma of their chosen partyís manifesto is ludicrous. The fewer parties in serious contention, the dafter that assumption becomes. Thatís one reason for favouring STV. At least that allows voters to find candidates whose views are reasonably close to their own.
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post Jan 1 2019, 12:37 AM
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That the entire system is corrupt, based on keeping the rich establishment in power, propagating a neoliberal agenda and promoting the rich donor class, billionaire media control, an Orwellian system, disenfranchisement, a creaking old FPTP disgusting system, Tories, Tories, and corrupt Tory cheating. Oh, he media promoting the born to rule class and letting them off with everything, whilst doing a Noeth Korea and attacking the opposition. The Tories cliiinging to power like dictators, fake news that even the BBTory reports on to discredit the opposition, and much more. The end.
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post Jan 1 2019, 06:33 AM
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QUOTE(Michaelmas! @ Jan 1 2019, 12:37 AM) *
That the entire system is corrupt, based on keeping the rich establishment in power, propagating a neoliberal agenda and promoting the rich donor class, billionaire media control, an Orwellian system, disenfranchisement, a creaking old FPTP disgusting system, Tories, Tories, and corrupt Tory cheating. Oh, he media promoting the born to rule class and letting them off with everything, whilst doing a Noeth Korea and attacking the opposition. The Tories cliiinging to power like dictators, fake news that even the BBTory reports on to discredit the opposition, and much more.

The end.


Does that mean you'll never post about this bizarre obsession of yours again? rolleyes.gif

If only! The Tories have a lot of faults, but IMO they are hardly unique in seeking to preserve their position - Corbyn would do no less if he was in charge.
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post Jan 1 2019, 08:35 AM
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You're doing what your Tory faves do and SPINNING one event you happened to be in the same thread foe between me and two people WHO WERE ALREADY ON MY BLOCK LIST, one of whom SHOULD HAVE HAD ME ANYWAY DUE TO WHAT MODS TOLD US TO DO. The other was a salty Little Mixer. Instead of even bothering to use your phone to find out the truth about the Tories, you go foe spin. Nice.

Also, no. We saw New Labour call an election and step aside. They made no attempts to control the BBTory, use public money for online hate campaigns against the opposition, put out media memorandums blocking them from reporting on the truth, calling article 50 unilaterally, cancelling votes, being in contempt of parliament, bribing MPs in the open and under the table, using Republican denial of vote tactics, with postal votes in student heavy marginal rotten Tory boroughs magically going missing as well, students unfairly turned away from voting booths, redraw the boundaries on ENTIRELY NEW METRICS, to guarantee Tory wins forever more, dossiers about the rich and powerful magically going missing, weekly Murdoch meetings where he can waltz into No.10 like an Orwellian horror and conspire against the opposition, meetings between BBTory and Murdoch to be on the same.page, again USE PUBLIC MONEY!! for a hate factory they hid in Scotland, refuse a parliamentary VONC in Mad May, use a running joke between outing and incoming treasuries as eternal propaganda against Labour, bringing back disgraced MPs, including Amber Rudd back to the front benches and into the party in the sex pest cases, threaten to destroy the Lords every time they go against the Tories, whilst keeping it to bribe MPs and the rich with, sending the police to Israel, allowing the police to operate on an anti left wing policy for decades, imprisoning protesters with massively unjust sentences for going against the rich, including those who stop illegal deportations on commercial flights, false flag Gatwick to keep us all in panic and ignore the government failings, slip out evil policies and have the media ignore it or spread ACTUAL LIES - EVEN BBC - E.G TRAIN gate, coat gate, bow gate, silly people gate, Labour investigated by police by anti semitisim (complete lie that one to cover up Aaron Banks the same day ACTUALLY bring investigated. Nevertheless, BBTory's headline news ALL DAY and the Murdoch press. No apologies given, same as in the WEEKS AND WEEKS of headlines from fake traingate), but yeah. PLEAASE show me when Labour, who stepped aside WILLINGLY, EEEEVER came close to this Orwellian quasi dictatorship shitshow.
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post Jan 6 2019, 03:42 PM
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QUOTE(Michaelmas! @ Jan 1 2019, 08:35 AM) *
You're doing what your Tory faves do and SPINNING one event you happened to be in the same thread foe between me and two people WHO WERE ALREADY ON MY BLOCK LIST, one of whom SHOULD HAVE HAD ME ANYWAY DUE TO WHAT MODS TOLD US TO DO. The other was a salty Little Mixer. Instead of even bothering to use your phone to find out the truth about the Tories, you go foe spin. Nice.

Also, no. We saw New Labour call an election and step aside. They made no attempts to control the BBTory, use public money for online hate campaigns against the opposition, put out media memorandums blocking them from reporting on the truth, calling article 50 unilaterally, cancelling votes, being in contempt of parliament, bribing MPs in the open and under the table, using Republican denial of vote tactics, with postal votes in student heavy marginal rotten Tory boroughs magically going missing as well, students unfairly turned away from voting booths, redraw the boundaries on ENTIRELY NEW METRICS, to guarantee Tory wins forever more, dossiers about the rich and powerful magically going missing, weekly Murdoch meetings where he can waltz into No.10 like an Orwellian horror and conspire against the opposition, meetings between BBTory and Murdoch to be on the same.page, again USE PUBLIC MONEY!! for a hate factory they hid in Scotland, refuse a parliamentary VONC in Mad May, use a running joke between outing and incoming treasuries as eternal propaganda against Labour, bringing back disgraced MPs, including Amber Rudd back to the front benches and into the party in the sex pest cases, threaten to destroy the Lords every time they go against the Tories, whilst keeping it to bribe MPs and the rich with, sending the police to Israel, allowing the police to operate on an anti left wing policy for decades, imprisoning protesters with massively unjust sentences for going against the rich, including those who stop illegal deportations on commercial flights, false flag Gatwick to keep us all in panic and ignore the government failings, slip out evil policies and have the media ignore it or spread ACTUAL LIES - EVEN BBC - E.G TRAIN gate, coat gate, bow gate, silly people gate, Labour investigated by police by anti semitisim (complete lie that one to cover up Aaron Banks the same day ACTUALLY bring investigated. Nevertheless, BBTory's headline news ALL DAY and the Murdoch press. No apologies given, same as in the WEEKS AND WEEKS of headlines from fake traingate), but yeah. PLEAASE show me when Labour, who stepped aside WILLINGLY, EEEEVER came close to this Orwellian quasi dictatorship shitshow.


Leaving aside the rest, at which point are you referring to 'Labour stepping aside willingly'?
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