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post Jan 15 2020, 06:32 PM
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As above
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post Jan 15 2020, 06:45 PM
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No. Not for at least another 10 years as they just one 6 years ago.
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post Jan 15 2020, 07:02 PM
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Yes.

Brexit was not a factor during the last referendum — clearly a massive change in circumstance, and one that is pertinent to the future of Scotland. Times are justifiably different. SNP also had a clear election manifesto and won. There is a mandate for it.

It's an issue for Scotland and the Scottish people to decide — not me.
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post Jan 15 2020, 07:09 PM
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QUOTE(Crazy Chris @ Jan 15 2020, 06:45 PM) *
No. Not for at least another 10 years as they just one 6 years ago.


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post Jan 15 2020, 07:10 PM
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Every single voting station in Scotland votes to remain in the EU and now we have to leave. The SNP are getting so much of a majority these days too that another independence referendum needs to happen soon.
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post Jan 15 2020, 07:11 PM
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QUOTE(Wall @ Jan 15 2020, 07:10 PM) *
Every single voting station in Scotland votes to remain in the EU and now we have to leave. The SNP are getting so much of a majority these days too that another independence referendum needs to happen soon.



Write to Boris then. He has the power to allow one but has said no.
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post Jan 15 2020, 07:21 PM
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Boris Johnson having the power to authorise an indyref or not rather than Scotland's own elected parliament is a reason in itself to vote to end the UK.

The first five words on their own are also a pretty good reason.

Like, I'm not sure how necessary I'd consider independence to be in a world where Scotland had the right to make this most fundamental decision. So yes, from my POV, the Tory approach (dare I make comparisons to Spain?) to this is very unsustainable.


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post Jan 15 2020, 07:25 PM
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QUOTE(Harve @ Jan 15 2020, 07:21 PM) *
Boris Johnson having the power to authorise an indyref or not rather than Scotland's own elected parliament is a reason in itself to vote to end the UK.

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They voted to stay 6 years ago. I agree maybe another in the future but it's not long enough yet. I'd say 20 years is about right. Maybe a Labour government will allow one.


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post Jan 15 2020, 07:31 PM
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QUOTE(Crazy Chris @ Jan 15 2020, 08:25 PM) *
They voted to stay 6 years ago. I agree maybe another in the future but it's not long enough yet. I'd say 20 years is about right. Maybe a Labour government will allow one.

What's it to you? When do you think the people of Essex should allow Quebec or Bougainville to decide on their future?
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post Jan 15 2020, 07:32 PM
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QUOTE(Crazy Chris @ Jan 15 2020, 07:25 PM) *
They voted to stay 6 years ago. I agree maybe another in the future but it's not long enough yet. I'd say 20 years is about right. Maybe a Labour government will allow one.

That stance would be justifiable if there had been no material change in circumstances since 2014. As nobody can seriously claim that to be the case, it is perfectly reasonable for the SNP to call for another vote.
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post Jan 15 2020, 07:37 PM
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The voting was very close but a lot of it was the promise that we would remain in the EU and a ton of false promises by Westminister!
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post Jan 15 2020, 07:42 PM
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The people of Scotland have a right to determine their own future, regardless of what the voters view on that future is. Yes or No, the thing that should be common is the defence of Scotland’s right to self-determination and democracy. The current Westminster government is denying that right and denying democracy.


Additionally, the dictation of terms and “permission” from the alleged equal partner in this union is a demonstration of the need for independence.


Also, Chris and Vid your views have been noted and filed in the nearest waste disposal facility where they belong. Scotland doesn’t need your permission. The Scottish people have voted, repeatedly, for a second referendum and they are what matter. Not you
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post Jan 15 2020, 08:04 PM
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Of course they should the Brexit debacle in 2016 has meant a huge constitutional change so there should be another vote if the snp hold the balance of power and had that as part of their manifesto.

The fact a UK PM which is nearly always invariably English is a ridiculous situation.
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post Jan 15 2020, 08:07 PM
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QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Jan 15 2020, 07:32 PM) *
That stance would be justifiable if there had been no material change in circumstances since 2014. As nobody can seriously claim that to be the case, it is perfectly reasonable for the SNP to call for another vote.



And in my opinion it's perfectly reasonable for the PM to refuse one.
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post Jan 15 2020, 08:07 PM
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It shouldn't be about being ALLOWED. Scotland is a country and should be able to say when the union is or isn't working for it. England would be able to for itself! Scotland should too.

"Additionally, the dictation of terms and “permission” from the alleged equal partner in this union is a demonstration of the need for independence. 
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100% THIS!! We are supposed equal partners. Act like it.

Also, the EU referendum has changed everything. EVERYTHING. Remaining in the EU was a cornerstone of the union campaign. That has now gone, and so it's time for another vote. If Cameron knew he was going to call another EU ref , he should have told the Scottish. He didn't, and so the referendum was run under false pretences. It is void.
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post Jan 15 2020, 08:10 PM
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QUOTE(5 Silas Frøkner @ Jan 15 2020, 07:42 PM) *
Also, Chris and Vid your views have been noted and filed in the nearest waste disposal facility where they belong.



How rude. Maybe Vid should have stated that only Scots could vote and reply. Anyway I bet Boris has filed Nicola's letter in his shredder too.


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I filed his begging letter into my bin after using it for the dog shoite. I know others around here filed it into their kitty litter trays biggrin.gif
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post Jan 15 2020, 08:13 PM
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QUOTE(Auld Lang Peen @ Jan 15 2020, 08:11 PM) *
I filed his begging letter into my bin after using it for the dog shoite. I know others around here filed it into their kitty litter trays biggrin.gif



Nice to know that Michael. rolleyes.gif
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post Jan 15 2020, 08:13 PM
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QUOTE(Steve201 @ Jan 15 2020, 09:04 PM) *
The fact a UK PM which is nearly always invariably English is a ridiculous situation.

I mean we have a growing body of evidence that suggests that a large portion of English voters just don't like Scottish politicians, nobody which side they're on.
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QUOTE(Crazy Chris @ Jan 15 2020, 07:25 PM) *
They voted to stay 6 years ago. I agree maybe another in the future but it's not long enough yet. I'd say 20 years is about right. Maybe a Labour government will allow one.


This is a ridiculous post dripping with trolling intent.

Of course Scotland should get another referendum. It’s clear the nation don’t like where the ‘union’ is going. Utterly ridiculous for someone not Scottish and with no intention of ever visiting Scotland to say they can’t have another vote.
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