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post May 7 2020, 02:22 PM
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The Universal Basic Income debate has obviously increased this year and seems more plausible than ever. The Spanish government said last month it aimed to roll out UBI as soon as possible, and the Finnish government just completed an experiment to see what would happen with it. The results were very promising. You can read the full study here.






How do you feel about it? Do you support it? Has your opinion changed since COVID19? Is there potential for it to work in the UK?


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post May 7 2020, 03:05 PM
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Held to the idea for a while that UBI in some form is inevitable and the right thing for society to work towards, even if you're not a simpering socialist softie there's a good economic argument for it allowing more money to move around the economy.

The current situation has proven that there are times where it becomes necessary to pause the economy (which can never be a thing that must keep going at the expense of human lives, no matter what conservative propaganda merchants Telegraph columnists try to tell you), UBI helps ease that shock.

The way we're developing is that we have more people in our society than there are jobs that need doing, so not everyone is needed to work. But they must be kept alive. Now, the implementation of it needs to be handled correctly, there must be regulations against capitalist opportunists bleeding normal people dry of the income, so necessity prices might need to be looked at, for economic feasibility, there should be incentives for higher earners to 'donate' their income back towards the scheme, but the basic principle must be put through in some form or there will eventually be immense poverty in the developed world.

So in summary, always been for it, plenty of details that need to be ironed out, but there will be more people than jobs in the future and we need to come up with a comprehensive way of dealing with that - and it would be way more efficient than the current British welfare system which seems to spend more money on denying vulnerable people money than it does paying welfare checks out.
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post May 7 2020, 03:09 PM
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and that's not even touching on the mental health benefits which I think are a serious problem that UBI would do some good at fixing

for generations we've been told that our entire life's worth is based around what job we get and that's been shown to be pretty damn unhealthy, if jobs are an option rather than an obligation, then they become a way to improve yourself, and that's far more inspiring and indicative of a healthy society than 'work to pay your rent to the landlord class, wage slave'.
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post May 8 2020, 10:14 PM
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There was an interesting debate about it on the Ed Miliband Reasons to be Cheerful podcast a few years ago. I feel like the recent pandemic should focus more attention and discussions on it, along with moving to a 4-day week, and what work we should really value (should it be contribution to GDP or to the overall 'wealth' of society?).

I am broadly supportive of the idea, though I accept there are a large number of negatives that would probably dissaude most governments from ever introducing it sadly, not least the cost.. I'd heard that some local scale trials of it had run successfully. I wonder though moving it to a national scale may be difficult, as well as the inevitable anger/protesting against the super rich also getting a monthly UBI.

However, in prinicpal, it could have huge implications for mental health and it would still incentivise people to go out and look for work, after all it is only a basic income, and put more power in the hands of the workers once more. People would value their free time more and be in a stronger bargaining position, I think it would also allow more time for people to volunteer and help in their local community, or perhaps I've had too much to drink and am thinking far too much of humanity!

Anyway the 2020s will see a huge change in the workplace through rising automation so we'll have to breach this subject sometime this decade..
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