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post May 29 2020, 05:21 AM
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Some historic stuff going down in America, this is way bigger than most things.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52844192

My timeline is filled with images of Minneapolis in chaos, burning police precincts, rioting, looting big stores, and all I can think is good, given the murder that started this (George Floyd) was the latest in a long line of black people getting murdered by American police.

meanwhile everyone's least favourite president (aside from busying himself by ranting about Twitter stopping him doing fake news) is really tweeting the line 'when the looting starts, the shooting starts'. very cool to threaten murder on your own citizens like that.
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post May 29 2020, 06:50 AM
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Those four cops have been sacked but should be in jail charged with murder. That one cop killed Floyd. He was restrained and posed no threat to them. The others let him kill him. The full video's online but wasn't sure whether to post it here, and shows it clear as day. The BBC and others have edited it. Passers-by told them he couldn't breathe and he took no notice. He was bleeding from his nose too and called out for his mum. Absolutely disgusting. Poor man.

Someone leaked their addresses online and protestors gathered outside their homes which are now under 24-hour police guard. One tried to get a Deliveroo food delivery four times but the driver left after finding out who he was from the protestors.


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post May 29 2020, 07:07 AM
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Too many sadists in US police.

Honestly I blame the training & the culture. A culture that teaches people to WIN at all costs, plus training that says they can go for lethal force right away...what the hell do they expect will happen? The culture is the same problem behind school shootings too.
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post May 29 2020, 07:37 AM
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This whole series of events is breaking my heart. How can we still live in a world full of such injustice and racism? People are rightfully not taking this lying down. If Trump wasn't already odious enough... his treatment of these protests, compared to when white people have previously done it, speak volumes
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post May 29 2020, 07:51 AM
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Been watching this type of event for over 55 years. The USA was racist when I was a kid and it's racist now. The only country where you get slagged-off ruthlessly for taking a knee and your career damaged, and institutionalised murderers get away with targeting people of colour.

Contrast and compare with the white extremists who invaded the state legislature armed to the teeth because they couldnt get a haircut and shop....and nothing happened to them. A society where you get killed as a matter of course for jogging/being black/having a BBQ in your garden/having suspected counterfeit money etc etc etc, and the murderers get away with it. The police serve the public, that means ALL the public. You don't get to be judge jury and executioner when you have someone in handcuffs.

When I was a kid black people were still getting lynched. Civil rights leaders were being murdered. The KKK was a big thing. White folks who supported Civil rights were also murdered.

Not that long ago.
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post May 29 2020, 12:11 PM
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The fact there’s just as much outrage over the rioting than there was over George’s murder highlights why the phrase “Black Lives Matter” is so important

There’s people literally more outraged over broken windows and stolen cushions from target than they are about a man being murdered by the police. There’s absolutely no wonder why the rioters are acting they way they are - people are angry, have been for soo long and peaceful protests can often end up doing f*** all and they don’t get the same coverage riots do. If these murderers are let off (which it seems like they will after the County Attorney’s comments) I expect this to be one of the biggest set of riots in modern American history, and rightfully so
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post May 29 2020, 12:20 PM
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Chilling scenes as a CNN team are arrested live on air, with no explanation provided. The black correspondent is arrested first.



There’s some crazy sights in all of this. The amount of police outside his home is staggering.

Hopefully, justice can be served and charges are brought against all those involved. Most heartbreaking is that this won’t be the last killing of its kind that we see but hopefully it makes the issue more prevalent and proactive action can be taken.
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post May 29 2020, 12:25 PM
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And now the black reporter from CNN got arrested. American police don't get it in the slightest.

He got released right away but the f***ing audacity.
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post May 29 2020, 12:38 PM
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But what will it take for this to change?
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The president himself having clearly racist views certainly doesn't help matters at the moment, he's been just about the least effective person there is in uniting the country and especially in times of conflict like this. I salute Twitter for finally blocking his dangerous views, if only for a while.

Unfortunately, as many steps as they've taken, racism is still a huge problem in the US, especially in the police force. I'm sure there are so many smaller scale incidents where non-whites are wrongfully charged, harassed or persecuted by cops that happen every day, yet you'll never see them in the news. This was a particularly horrible case and while the violent outcomes aren't ideal, I do hope the publicity it gets can make the world aware, and lead to a rightful murder charge for all the cops involved in George Floyd's murder.
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post May 29 2020, 02:01 PM
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QUOTE(LMLou @ May 29 2020, 12:11 PM) *
The fact there’s just as much outrage over the rioting than there was over George’s murder highlights why the phrase “Black Lives Matter” is so important

There’s people literally more outraged over broken windows and stolen cushions from target than they are about a man being murdered by the police. There’s absolutely no wonder why the rioters are acting they way they are - people are angry, have been for soo long and peaceful protests can often end up doing f*** all and they don’t get the same coverage riots do. If these murderers are let off (which it seems like they will after the County Attorney’s comments) I expect this to be one of the biggest set of riots in modern American history, and rightfully so


Completely agreed! I can't with people who defend the rule of law at this point. Something I've seen and am paraphrasing is that it isn't the cops stopping people from looting supermarkets, it's people generally just not needing or wanting to do it. When they are... it indicates something has gone horribly wrong.

The focus cannot be on the riot's conduct, it's a bloody riot, it doesn't have conduct, the focus needs to be on its causes and making sure it doesn't happen again. While it's going ahead, more power to them, the longer it does, the more likely there'll actually be some lasting change. My main concern is cops actually opening fire on the protesters, as Trump was insinuating, because then it turns into a massacre.

This is most likely already more impactful on American society than the election of Bernie Sanders would have been.
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This is honestly heartbreaking and it’s sad nothing seems to be happening! I’m sure it would be better if Obama was still in charge tbh.
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post May 29 2020, 02:54 PM
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The thing is every time this happens, there’s the same outcry yet it never changes. Same with school shootings. We all know this but America is systematically broken
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post May 29 2020, 03:03 PM
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QUOTE(Andrew. @ May 29 2020, 03:54 PM) *
The thing is every time this happens, there’s the same outcry yet it never changes. Same with school shootings. We all know this but America is systematically broken


Same country that is moaning about face masks, but kids have to go through mental detectors and have armed guards at schools. It's a bonkers world.

Anyway my thoughts are both the left and right are using the event to their political advantage. The sheer brutality of the murder was unlawful and horrendous and while I can excuse a bit of a rebellion, I mean looting Target and trashing it is something I can't condone and I think it's utterly ridiculous. It's at this point the original message gets lost. People I angry I get it, but trashing Target just distorts the real narrative and allows the Right to push their political advantage.

The whole thing is just bonkers. The problem is cultural and with a country and certain states so resistant to any form of change unless there is radical re-organisation (which is physically impossible and the American political system is so ridiculous).
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post May 29 2020, 03:09 PM
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honestly? target is a multibillion dollar corporation and they'll survive a bit of looting.
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post May 29 2020, 03:12 PM
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QUOTE(Rooney @ May 29 2020, 03:03 PM) *
Anyway my thoughts are both the left and right are using the event to their political advantage. The sheer brutality of the murder was unlawful and horrendous and while I can excuse a bit of a rebellion, I mean looting Target and trashing it is something I can't condone and I think it's utterly ridiculous. It's at this point the original message gets lost. People I angry I get it, but trashing Target just distorts the real narrative and allows the Right to push their political advantage.


I mean, of course they are. How else can the need for change be taken notice of? It certainly isn't taken notice of at election time in America. The reason the looting is happening is a coordinated effort to push back against the police department and ensure that they don't just smile and ignore it before the next tragedy happens in a month's time, such is the rate they've been going at. The Right pushing back against this can easily just be painted as a bunch of corporate bootlickers, which they are. The supermarkets aren't going to feel it.

bunch of mlk quotes because this is we hope essentially the next step of the Civil Rights movement:

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QUOTE(dhwe @ May 29 2020, 04:09 PM) *
honestly? target is a multibillion dollar corporation and they'll survive a bit of looting.


Of course they will survive, but that's not the point is it. What have Target done to incite racism? It's not alright the President to infer violence and it's equally not ok to go and start trashing Target.

Can you imagine if the UK started burning down National Trust sites in protest at Cummings-gate? It's bonkers.
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post May 29 2020, 03:25 PM
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QUOTE(Rooney @ May 29 2020, 11:12 AM) *
Of course they will survive, but that's not the point is it. What have Target done to incite racism? It's not alright the President to infer violence and it's equally not ok to go and start trashing Target.

Can you imagine if the UK started burning down National Trust sites in protest at Cummings-gate? It's bonkers.


I dunno if that's such an apples-to-apples comparison, we're talking about a state-sanctioned act of racial violence here.

I would also argue that there isn't quite a moral equivalence between said act of racial violence and doing some property damage. I don't really want to argue the righteousness behind rioting when the whole point is that it all started with a morally bankrupt act of senseless violence. don't be surprised when the people act in kind.
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post May 29 2020, 03:29 PM
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Have the rioters touched any historical sites in Minneapolis?
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post May 29 2020, 03:37 PM
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To the people so outraged by the riots, what exactly is your answer to end , or at least bring a lot more attention to police brutality? Holding signs on the side of the street? Voting for Joe Biden?
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