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HiyaLuv!
post Oct 14 2020, 08:21 PM
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Seriously though, when Bowie and Prince passed away the R1 Chart Show was full of their immortal hits. Bowiegeddon was brilliant and it was so amazing to hear Purple Rain back in the top ten and on the nation's flagship youth station again (I say 'again', I was 1 in 1984). But streaming wasn't that popular then. Once more people cottoned onto it, the chart almost ground to a halt and fun stuff like this stopped happening. See also: the Ace of Spades beating its original peak. Was so thrilling to hear Greg James spinning that in Jan 2016.

Anyway, this is all inspired by Dreams off of Fleetwood Mac looking set to make a spectacular re-entry on Friday. But why's it so high? Many ancient songs have done well on TikTok but not even got close to the Top 40. Have the label requested a reset or is it just absolutely smashing it on streaming? And nobody's even had to die to make this happen!
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post Oct 14 2020, 08:23 PM
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It won't be eligible for a reset, it's still on ACR magic.gif It's just the impact of TikTok and it's somehow caught on.
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post Oct 14 2020, 08:25 PM
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QUOTE(JosephStyles @ Oct 14 2020, 09:23 PM) *
It won't be eligible for a reset, it's still on ACR magic.gif It's just the impact of TikTok and it's somehow caught on.


This makes me happy. I listen to it quite a lot! I was a teenager in the nineties and their name was pretty much MOR mud in the indie snob music press. Yet they are supercool now thanks to the likes of Haim and countless others.


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post Oct 14 2020, 08:29 PM
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I feel like your point is moot because there hasn't really been anyone of Prince or David Bowie's calibre of fame to pass away since then. Chester, Avicii & Juice WRLD are noteworthy of course but ACR and the 3 track rule are the main things that are gonna prevent it from ever being replicated. Depending on the timing (hi Kobbar), streaming can definitely throw a spanner, only because it's never as instant as sales, but you can definitely see an impact when relevant. It might also just seem lesser because low sales make the sales chart much more susceptible now than it would have been 10 years ago.

It's been 10 months and Juice WRLD's "Lucid Dreams" is significantly higher on Spotify basically everywhere than it was this time last year.


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post Oct 14 2020, 08:56 PM
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QUOTE(Draculadracula @ Oct 14 2020, 09:29 PM) *
I feel like your point is moot because there hasn't really been anyone of Prince or David Bowie's calibre of fame to pass away since then.


You forgot George Michael at the end of that year.


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post Oct 14 2020, 09:04 PM
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don't blame streaming, nobody bought George Michael's songs on iTunes either after he died...
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post Oct 14 2020, 09:09 PM
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post Oct 14 2020, 09:09 PM
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QUOTE(Bjork @ Oct 14 2020, 10:04 PM) *
don't blame streaming, nobody bought George Michael's songs on iTunes either after he died...


He would've still had 3 solo hits in the top 40 though, with Careless Whisper at 18. Plus he died "inconveniently" in the middle of a chart week. Comparable with Whitney.
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post Oct 14 2020, 09:10 PM
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I don't know how anyone can miss the days when pop legends died tbh. Would much rather have them alive instead!
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post Oct 15 2020, 05:28 AM
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QUOTE(AcerBen @ Oct 15 2020, 05:09 AM) *
He would've still had 3 solo hits in the top 40 though, with Careless Whisper at 18. Plus he died "inconveniently" in the middle of a chart week. Comparable with Whitney.

Also being just after Christmas when sales of current-ish hits are at their highest doesn't help either.
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post Oct 15 2020, 05:39 AM
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I never fully understood why GM did so poorly on iTunes after he died
you can find all the excuses and reasons but at the end of the day the song that was the highest only reached #10
when any random act appears on any tv channel doing an interview and goes top 3
the impact of his deda on iTunes was minimal and disappointing for a star of his caliber, it was like the UK didn't care
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post Oct 15 2020, 10:11 AM
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I still think if a real pop legend were to pass away they’d manage to get multiple hits top 40 in the wake of their passing, likewise if someone who’s still a current name in the industry did (like similar to Amy Winehouse in 2011 and Avicii when he passed away more recently).

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post Oct 15 2020, 10:23 AM
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It would have been nice to see Van Halen - Jump re-enter the top 40 recently, but the impact on it like in nearly all of these cases was much more on iTunes than streaming, and iTunes doesn't count much towards the chart any more.
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post Oct 15 2020, 10:27 AM
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Not dying on a Thursday evening is just a poor management and we can blame the label not doing their best tbh.

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post Oct 15 2020, 11:44 AM
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yeah if say Madonna or Paul McCartney were to die this year (though let’s hope not) I think they’d easily have multiple top 40 re entries even with streaming. we just haven’t had any “legends” as big as Bowie and Prince die recently.
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post Oct 15 2020, 11:54 AM
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Thinks it down to the profile of the streaming audience which dominates the charts - legends sales of older music fans come through as album sales, teens through what's on playlists and social media on singles. Unless it's a modern act like Drake, Sheeran or Adele don't see classic singles ever being a thing again, death or no death - whereas in all previous eras oldies was very much a thing. Maybe in 10 or 20 years when the streaming generation have mortgages and families and start to get all nostalgic for the 10's it might get a bit more balanced with older stuff competing with new stuff. Down to all you who stream really - I don't, except youtube videos, so we know who to blame for the charts laugh.gif
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post Oct 15 2020, 01:26 PM
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QUOTE(dan-G @ Oct 15 2020, 01:44 PM) *
yeah if say Madonna or Paul McCartney were to die this year

This thread is too bizarre laugh.gif
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post Oct 15 2020, 01:35 PM
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QUOTE(Tefo @ Oct 15 2020, 02:26 PM) *
This thread is too bizarre laugh.gif

It was too bizarre from the get-go with a title like 'I miss the days when pop legends died'
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post Oct 15 2020, 02:09 PM
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QUOTE(dan-G @ Oct 15 2020, 11:44 AM) *
yeah if say Madonna or Paul McCartney were to die this year (though let’s hope not) I think they’d easily have multiple top 40 re entries even with streaming. we just haven’t had any “legends” as big as Bowie and Prince die recently.


Madonna would totally die on a Thursday at least, all according to plan to get as much chart action as possible. Kweeen.
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post Oct 15 2020, 02:21 PM
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I do wish they change the rules so that an artist or a band involving an artist who has just died gets an instant reset
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