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post Dec 8 2020, 09:50 PM
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With at least 80% of the festive top 40 expected to be infected with Christmas songs and the potential scenario that Mariah could be number 1 for at least a week every December. Would double ACR be the solution to counter the annual chaos? For this to happen, it would only apply to songs that are at least three years old so only 25% of their streaming would count towards the chart. Entries not yet three years old would continue to use the current 50% rule.
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post Dec 8 2020, 09:51 PM
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I don't even see why it's something that needs to be countered. It's what people are streaming and consuming, and they've already got a handicap to try and help newer songs but if it's not what people are listening to, there's only so much you can do.
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post Dec 8 2020, 10:15 PM
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I donít think there should be any ACR in the first place, but what do I know?
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post Dec 8 2020, 10:24 PM
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ACR sucks and should not be a thing, same for double ACR.
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post Dec 8 2020, 10:25 PM
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Why canít we just have 1 sale for 100 streams for every song and leave it at that.
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post Dec 8 2020, 10:28 PM
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QUOTE(JosephCarey @ Dec 8 2020, 11:51 PM) *
I don't even see why it's something that needs to be countered. It's what people are streaming and consuming, and they've already got a handicap to try and help newer songs but if it's not what people are listening to, there's only so much you can do.


100% agree
if thats what people are choosing to listen to, it should chart where it deserves...
actually i think that they should remove the ACR rule alltogether because its unfairly biased towards older songs....charts should reflect people’s consuming habits therefore any artificial change would lead to an unrepresentative chart...


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post Dec 8 2020, 10:32 PM
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The issue is that is it really streaming habits a lot of the time or people just letting a playlist play in the background and they donít really know what it is. I say remove all playlist and let people choose what they want to hear not be told what to listen too.
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post Dec 8 2020, 10:37 PM
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You could only count ďsalesĒ for streams that are actively clicked by consumers - but could that be calculated?
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post Dec 8 2020, 10:42 PM
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Unfort that would involve telling streaming sites how to manage their sites

QUOTE(chartjack2 @ Dec 8 2020, 10:37 PM) *
You could only count ďsalesĒ for streams that are actively clicked by consumers - but could that be calculated?


Again people click the first song then the rest shuffle most likely
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post Dec 8 2020, 10:43 PM
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QUOTE(chartjack2 @ Dec 8 2020, 10:37 PM) *
You could only count ďsalesĒ for streams that are actively clicked by consumers - but could that be calculated?

Agree partially with this. Maybe count ďpassiveĒ playlist streams less than actively selected streams. Kinda like paid for/free streams.
For example:
100 streams of someone actively searching for/playing a song from their own playlist = 1 sale
200/300/600 streams (or whatever) for someone putting Hot Hits UK, Christmas Hits or whatever on shuffle and listening passively = 1 sale

Not sure if that could be easily calculated or not tho
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post Dec 9 2020, 08:21 AM
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remove streaming from the chart wub.gif
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post Dec 9 2020, 08:27 AM
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QUOTE(Dannyboy @ Dec 9 2020, 01:32 AM) *
The issue is that is it really streaming habits a lot of the time or people just letting a playlist play in the background and they donít really know what it is. I say remove all playlist and let people choose what they want to hear not be told what to listen too.

You do realise thatís exactly what youíre trying to do? Youíre telling them what to listen to. Or in this case what not to listen to by removing playlists.
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post Dec 9 2020, 08:30 AM
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No. The most streamed/downloaded/whatever song deserves number one. I donít complain when itís Bieber or Sheeran anyone I donít enjoy so why are people so mad at Christmas songs? Yes itís the same ones every year but I put up with shape of you for almost a year!
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post Dec 9 2020, 09:17 AM
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QUOTE(b @ Dec 9 2020, 08:27 AM) *
You do realise that’s exactly what you’re trying to do? You’re telling them what to listen to. Or in this case what not to listen to by removing playlists.


Also, a handful of user curated playlists would just become popular instead because the fact is, a lot of people just want an easy 'hits' playlist to stick on in the background.

Sure Spotify could delete Hot Hits UK, but a user would just remake the playlist instead, get millions of followers and then they'd be in control of proceedings rather than Spotify.

And if they went the whole hog and user playlist creation was removed altogether, a lot of people would just delete their accounts and the streaming model would start to collapse. I certainly couldn't function without the ability to create my own playlists and gather together my favourites in one place.


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post Dec 9 2020, 09:31 AM
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The solution is very simple.
Don't count any streams for old songs, only digital sales.
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post Dec 9 2020, 09:33 AM
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ACR is fine apart from the arbitrary 3-year rule so actually I'm behind the Xmas takeover even more than what is current.

I don't see why it's a problem. If a huge artist is scared of releasing a song in December in case it gets washed out of the top 40 by Xmas songs, then clearly they don't think much of it in the first place. It's not like people only listen to Xmas songs at the moment.

With regards to the whole passive streaming debate that's a separate issue that isn't exclusively limited to Xmas songs. And it would be impossible to determine what counts as active/passive...
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post Dec 9 2020, 09:37 AM
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If you cancel playlists, the new songs would never take off, we'll have a chart with Perfect as eternal #1
many people use Spotify like a radio, they go to Christmas Hits, push play and listen to that all day

if the occ want a real solution, the answer is not cancelling playlists or a double ACR but making a recurrent chart
after x weeks, you're made recurrent and moved to the recurrent chart never to come back biggrin.gif

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post Dec 9 2020, 09:40 AM
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perhaps if they limited it to 10 streams per user per song ever ever, these christmas songs wouldn’t be as dominant.

I’m sure there’s a significant number of people just starting streaming accounts now and playing these songs, so Mariah would still go top 40, but she wouldn’t be challenging for number one every year given many many people must’ve played the song at least ten times by now.

I’d be interested to know what such a chart would look like. perhaps I’m wrong and Mariah would still be a top ten presence but its impossible to say really.
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post Dec 9 2020, 09:46 AM
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passive playlisting has ruined the charts. It's not representative of what people choose to hear, only the TYPE of things people choose to hear. It's no different from me choosing to listen to radio 2, yet that doesnt count towards the charts.

Music charts should reflect what people are passionate about, not what they don't find offensive enough to bother to turn off. If they buy it that shows they are passionate about it. Personal playlists should be the only sort to contribute towards chart places, and album plays should be albums only. It's not 2 plays. It's one play - either the entire album was played or it was individual tracks played. It's not both. This nonsense about 80% of tracks getting a singles play = an album sale as well is just desperate marketing to inflate album "sales". Half the streaming population playing a new album week one is not a reflection of it's popularity, it's a reflection of curiosity about it. If week 2 plays are not as big, it's fair to say that it's not actually as popular or people would have kept playing it.
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post Dec 9 2020, 10:16 AM
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Audiences arenít passive. People can skip songs they donít want to listen to.
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