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Smint View Member Profile	Mar 24 2021, 09:51 PM Post #1
BuzzJack Gold Member Group: Members Posts: 3,198 Member No.: 124,514 Joined: 21-February 21 No Gallery Pics	Tempted to put it in the Tory lies and deceit thread but Keir Starmer is getting in on the act too. The last few months have seen a number of stories about the Union Jack becoming more prominent in day to day life. Politicians would pose with it in every picture which lead to a couple of BBC Breakfast hosts lightly mocking one cabinet minister for the size of his flag. Immediately that led to apologies issued and admonitions given to said presenters. Social media was divided as it always is but one of the comments from a Conservative MP (Lia Nici from Grimsby) was fairly chilling and crossed a line IMO. Of course if people are not proud to be British, or of our flag or Queen, they don’t have to live in the UK. Perhaps they should move to another country they prefer Basically "If you don't love it leave". Now today there has been an announcement that Union Jacks have to be flown from central Government buildings 365 days a year and local government buildings are strongly recommended to as well. Where does this stop and does it bother you? It does me - since Brexit I've noticed that twitter have been filled with accounts prominently displaying the Union Jack or English flag in their handle. These accounts tend to be extremely right wing, unpleasant and xenophobic. Link to today's news: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/m...under-new-rules This post has been edited by Smint: Mar 24 2021, 10:02 PM


J00prstar View Member Profile	Mar 24 2021, 09:56 PM Post #2
there's nothing straight about plump Elvis Group: AF Leader Posts: 12,843 Member No.: 22,895 Joined: 21-January 16 No Gallery Pics	It doesn't bother me per se but it's kind of stupid. I don't see the obsession with a logo on a piece of material. To me it's literally no different to a poster of the latest Taylor Swift album being on everything. It's to me a ridiculous thing for grown adults to have any investment whatsoever in.


T Boy View Member Profile	Mar 24 2021, 09:57 PM Post #3
Radical Pink Troll Group: Members Posts: 26,372 Member No.: 177 Joined: 11-March 06 No Gallery Pics	I despise the Union flag now. The way it is used by these politicians is disgusting, like a weapon. The grief Naga Munchetty got for laughing at a joke the white man next to her said last week was awful. Huw Edwards having to delete his Welsh flag tweet that was a joke was ridiculous. This government insisting on constantly flying these flags is nauseating.


Not yet... View Member Profile	Mar 24 2021, 10:01 PM Post #4
Buffy/Charmed Group: Members Posts: 42,587 Member No.: 18,639 Joined: 18-April 13 No Gallery Pics	Nationalism like this is just one of many indicators that the Tory turds are leading us into fascism.


Rooney View Member Profile	Mar 24 2021, 10:06 PM Post #5
WINTER IS COMING Group: Global Mod Posts: 45,445 Member No.: 88 Joined: 7-March 06 User's Gallery	QUOTE(Smint @ Mar 24 2021, 09:51 PM) Tempted to put it in the Tory lies and deceit thread but Keir Starmer is getting in on the act too. The last few months have seen a number of stories about the Union Jack becoming more prominent in day to day life. Politicians would pose with it in every picture which lead to a couple of BBC Breakfast hosts lightly mocking one cabinet minister for the size of his flag. Immediately that led to apologies issued and admonitions given to said presenters. Social media was divided as it always is but one of the comments from a Conservative MP (Lia Nici from Grimsby) was fairly chilling and crossed a line IMO. Of course if people are not proud to be British, or of our flag or Queen, they don’t have to live in the UK. Perhaps they should move to another country they prefer Basically "If you don't love it leave". Now today there has been an announcement that Union Jacks have to be flown from central Government buildings 365 days a year and local government buildings are strongly recommended to as well. Where does this stop and does it bother you? It does me - since Brexit I've noticed that twitter have been filled with accounts prominently displaying the Union Jack or English flag in their handle. These accounts tend to be extremely right wing, unpleasant and xenophobic. Link to today's news: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/m...under-new-rules This is the problem, the far-right have assumed the national flag. It shouldn't have negative connotations but it does. I'm proud to be British and I do quite like the Union Jack flag (I much prefer it to the England flag). I do think as part of our culture we need to "win" the idenity back from how it is associated and viewed currently. But on a different matter it doesn't bother me if Government buildings fly the flag or if local councils are encouraged to. Makes no difference to me, but I would have thought there are more pressing matters for the Government to try and enforce!


Silas View Member Profile	Mar 24 2021, 10:10 PM Post #6
Queen of Soon Group: Moderator Posts: 73,815 Member No.: 3,474 Joined: 24-May 07 User's Gallery	The UK Gov appear to have decided that the solution to separatism is to force more Union Flags on the parts of the country that can’t stand the f***ing sight of the thing Flags on everything to remind the Scottish and Welsh and Northern where the money came from (The EU used to do this and it never stopped Wales and the North voting for Brexit despite the fact that ERDF cared more about both regions than the UK Gov ever has done or will do) and to counteract a rise in the use of “unacceptable” flags on projects that are lead by devolved administrations with the tax funds from their citizens that the UK gov sees as it’s money that it generously donates to the devolved administrations. Long may the Saltire and the Dragon fly free. I fully support any citizen who wants to hark back to the good old days and start shooting flaming arrows at these rags hanging off UK Gov buildings squatting in the Sovereign territory of Scotland and Wales. Yeah this plan is just entrenching separatist views. The more Union flags they force on Scotland needlessly in some desperate anti-Indy ploy the more and more I become a proponent of a hard intra-UK border after Scotlands Freedom. That’ll give them plenty of infrastructure to whack their cunty wee flag on.


Suedehead2 View Member Profile	Mar 24 2021, 10:14 PM Post #7
BuzzJack Legend Group: Veteran Posts: 36,234 Member No.: 3,272 Joined: 13-April 07 No Gallery Pics	Will Johnson promise to use his own money to pay for them all to be replaced when it is redesigned after Scotland leaves?


Chez Wombat View Member Profile	Mar 24 2021, 10:14 PM Post #8
The owls are not what they seem Group: Global Mod Posts: 36,532 Member No.: 9,232 Joined: 11-July 09 No Gallery Pics	It doesn't bother me about the flag flying rule on the government, but people under criticism for daring to make a joke about it is kinda scary, the likes of UKIP and BNP have the same mentality. Sadly, just reflecting the growing nationalism post Brexit and trying to desperately to prolong the union staying together, the latter won't last long that's for sure!


Not yet... View Member Profile	Mar 24 2021, 10:16 PM Post #9
Buffy/Charmed Group: Members Posts: 42,587 Member No.: 18,639 Joined: 18-April 13 No Gallery Pics	QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Mar 24 2021, 11:14 PM) Will Johnson promise to use his own money to pay for them all to be replaced when it is redesigned after Scotland leaves? Any redesign will be short-lived, as NI and Wales won't stay much longer once Scotland goes.


Smint View Member Profile	Mar 24 2021, 10:30 PM Post #10
BuzzJack Gold Member Group: Members Posts: 3,198 Member No.: 124,514 Joined: 21-February 21 No Gallery Pics	QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Mar 24 2021, 10:14 PM) Will Johnson promise to use his own money to pay for them all to be replaced when it is redesigned after Scotland leaves? Considering he doesn't pay his own money for flat repairs at a time of great recession I would think not. In fact doubt he's paid for anything in his life. Socialism from the very poor to the ultra wealthy elite and their media backers. What was disappointing is how easily the country continues to fall for it.


Not yet... View Member Profile	Mar 24 2021, 10:44 PM Post #11
Buffy/Charmed Group: Members Posts: 42,587 Member No.: 18,639 Joined: 18-April 13 No Gallery Pics	"A spokesperson for the UK government said: “The United Kingdom is the most successful political and economic union the world has ever seen" Except for the EU and the USA, oh, and Germany and Italy... God, this posh government is full of Trumps!


Doctor Blind View Member Profile	Mar 25 2021, 12:02 AM Post #12
#38BBE0 otherwise known as 'sky blue' Group: Moderator Posts: 16,082 Member No.: 7,561 Joined: 27-October 08 No Gallery Pics	The bigger and more prominent the flag, the more deeply insecure about the union they are. This story tells you that the Tories are worried that the cracks in the Union (>50% support for Scottish Independence, growing support for Irish reunification) are going to become huge ruptures in the coming years. They are right to be worried.


Suedehead2 View Member Profile	Mar 25 2021, 06:51 AM Post #13
BuzzJack Legend Group: Veteran Posts: 36,234 Member No.: 3,272 Joined: 13-April 07 No Gallery Pics	QUOTE(Dill Doe @ Mar 24 2021, 10:44 PM) "A spokesperson for the UK government said: “The United Kingdom is the most successful political and economic union the world has ever seen" Except for the EU and the USA, oh, and Germany and Italy... God, this posh government is full of Trumps! Government spokesperson = unelected bureaucrat = supposedly neutral civil servant.


steve201 View Member Profile	Mar 25 2021, 08:00 AM Post #14
Shakin Stevens Group: Members Posts: 44,858 Member No.: 5,138 Joined: 29-December 07 No Gallery Pics	Well as a man from the northern part of Ireland it makes me shudder to think these guys are meant to uphold the GFA in a neutral way. It’s things like this which are so devisive in NI that the country nearly came to a standstill when they voted to remove the Union Jack from the city hall in Belfast. This post has been edited by steve201: Mar 25 2021, 11:43 PM


crazy chris View Member Profile	Mar 25 2021, 04:55 PM Post #15
BuzzJack Legend Group: Members Posts: 21,963 Member No.: 53 Joined: 7-March 06 No Gallery Pics	QUOTE(Smint @ Mar 24 2021, 10:30 PM) Considering he doesn't pay his own money for flat repairs at a time of great recession I would think not. In fact doubt he's paid for anything in his life. Socialism from the very poor to the ultra wealthy elite and their media backers. What was disappointing is how easily the country continues to fall for it. Why Boris should pay for repairs to any part of No.10 when no Prime Minister has in the past? No US President pays for repairs to the White House either except for maybe re-decorating to their own taste. It's a working Government building.


T Boy View Member Profile	Mar 25 2021, 09:48 PM Post #16
Radical Pink Troll Group: Members Posts: 26,372 Member No.: 177 Joined: 11-March 06 No Gallery Pics	QUOTE(common sense @ Mar 25 2021, 04:55 PM) Why Boris should pay for repairs to any part of No.10 when no Prime Minister has in the past? No US President pays for repairs to the White House either except for maybe re-decorating to their own taste. It's a working Government building. Why should we pay for it though? He has money we don’t and we’d rather see nurses get a decent pay rise.


Suedehead2 View Member Profile	Mar 25 2021, 09:55 PM Post #17
BuzzJack Legend Group: Veteran Posts: 36,234 Member No.: 3,272 Joined: 13-April 07 No Gallery Pics	QUOTE(common sense @ Mar 25 2021, 04:55 PM) Why Boris should pay for repairs to any part of No.10 when no Prime Minister has in the past? No US President pays for repairs to the White House either except for maybe re-decorating to their own taste. It's a working Government building. That's not true. An incoming PM gets £30,000 to refurbish the flat. If they want to spend any more, they have to pay for it themselves.


steve201 View Member Profile	Mar 25 2021, 11:45 PM Post #18
Shakin Stevens Group: Members Posts: 44,858 Member No.: 5,138 Joined: 29-December 07 No Gallery Pics	Have to agree with CS here it’s not the office holders job to maintain or repair a government building. It’s like claiming I work in the council housing department and I should pay to repair it, I clean and maintain and tidy my own desk and iamspamspamamiand but of course that’s different. But SH is correct of course about a pot of money to make the flat their own as they might be there for a decade. This post has been edited by steve201: Mar 25 2021, 11:46 PM


crazy chris View Member Profile	Mar 26 2021, 12:14 AM Post #19
BuzzJack Legend Group: Members Posts: 21,963 Member No.: 53 Joined: 7-March 06 No Gallery Pics	QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Mar 25 2021, 09:55 PM) That's not true. An incoming PM gets £30,000 to refurbish the flat. If they want to spend any more, they have to pay for it themselves. Okay, sorry, didn't know that. He also pays for their own food and drinks unless they're for an official Government meeting such as a Cabinet meeting or dinner for a foreign leader. Same in the US, the President receives a private food and drinks bill every month. Only State functions are paid for out of tax-payers money.


crazy chris View Member Profile	Mar 26 2021, 12:18 AM Post #20
BuzzJack Legend Group: Members Posts: 21,963 Member No.: 53 Joined: 7-March 06 No Gallery Pics	QUOTE(T Boy @ Mar 25 2021, 09:48 PM) Why should we pay for it though? He has money we don’t and we’d rather see nurses get a decent pay rise. It's a Government building. With respect, do you pay for any repairs for your classroom ie if there was a burst radiator? No. All this is just another reason to have a go at our elected pm with an 80 seat majority.