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steve201
post Apr 8 2021, 12:02 AM
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Parts of central Belfast are ablaze tonight with rioting in the Shankill along peace walls. Thought I should put this up here as Im sure British media will put it at the bottom of the news agenda while if it happens in a British city it would be all over the front pages.

Thank you very much Boris!
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post Apr 8 2021, 11:05 AM
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What exactly is happening in Belfast?
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post Apr 8 2021, 01:43 PM
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Loyalists have been protesting since Good Friday about the NI Protocol and also due to the polices decision not to charge SF politicans for attending the funeral of former IRA man Bobby Storey which breached corona virus legilsation. Since January Unionist media such as the newsletter have been constantly pushing a narrative of the small things that the NI Protocol has affected in terms of trade and DUP politicans have pushed a narrative that it affects their right to be British. One of the best ironies is DUP politicans saying that its a disgrace that a border is being put through their country without understanding the irony that for 100 years nationalists in NI would say thats what happened due to partition.

Last night the hijacked a bus and burnt it down. then proceeded to go to the peace walls on the Springfield Road and start throwing petrol bombs into the 'other side' to get them to respond and drag both communities into it.

Most of the people throwing petrol bombs are as young as 13 yo with sinister elelments in the background encouraging it. Loyalist 'leaders' try to push an agenda stating that they are being discrimiated against in comparison to 'the other side' which is nonsense the fact is there is no political or community leadership in their areas. The fact is that there disadvataged people on both sides.

The double irony is that unionist politicans which the areas where the riots are originating from vote for pushed brexit before the referendum for a variety of reasons but politically to create a bigger north-south divide they believed would be the outcome and were f***ed over (again) by a Tory government (similar to the 1910s) really only interested in English tory grievances and not NI tory griebvances. So when the brexit agreement discussions occurred simply Boris and Arlene came to the realisation that there had to be a trade barrier somewhere if a hard brexit is what they wanted and the only real option is in the Irish sea as a border on the land in NI would be chaotic due to the geography and many routes cross border and how the trade barrier would affect border communities who go back and forth for employment, family, culture and every other aspect of life.

But the leavers in the unionist parties are blaming remainers (nationalists and alliance) for creating the situation - melters that they are.
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post Apr 9 2021, 12:42 PM
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As perhaps with the small number of people taking part in violence in Bristol a few weeks ago, I think it's lockdown frustrations too, with very little for young people to do to keep them out of such bother with youth clubs, gyms, and organised social events closed. Doesn't excuse the violence though.

As with Bristol too recently there seems to be a very worrying acceptance amongst some young people that its OK to attack the police. The fact both loyalists and republicans tend to dislike the police though in NI shows the NI police must be doing something right in terms of balance.

There does seem to be a lot of anger at the DUP and UUP in unionist communities so it will be interesting to see what happens in the next NI election.

Can we please rename this thread 'Ireland ROI and NI politics thread' too or something by the way as the ROI General Election is long over!


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post Apr 9 2021, 04:07 PM
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Yeh the youth clubs have been opened again because of it!

So what does a week of trouble do - sent home from work at 4pm as the building closed early due to buses being pulled from areas due to trade unions complaining about safety conserns for their drivers.
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post Apr 9 2021, 05:40 PM
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QUOTE(TheSnake @ Apr 9 2021, 01:42 PM) *
As perhaps with the small number of people taking part in violence in Bristol a few weeks ago, I think it's lockdown frustrations too, with very little for young people to do to keep them out of such bother with youth clubs, gyms, and organised social events closed. Doesn't excuse the violence though.

As with Bristol too recently there seems to be a very worrying acceptance amongst some young people that its OK to attack the police.


Wouldnt say that's true at all in Bristol case where there have been about 6 protests against the Crime bill and thousands of protestors have been overwhelmingly peaceful bar maybe a tiny number of exceptions. The police have been far more violent in cracking down on these protests and lied about the extent of their injuries making up broken bonesi initially before quietly retracting these claims. Of course that is after our government and ultra right wing press painted a picture of the Bristol protests as violent youth rioting and implying that was why this unjust bill was necessary

And as for Northen Ireland - us Remainers predicted Brexit would affect peace process. No ahit sherlock!
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In fairness only Blair did in the final days of the campaign!
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post Apr 9 2021, 09:17 PM
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More violence this evening barely a mile from where I live, in Tiger's Bay. I had hoped that Prince Phillip's passing would lead to a temporary diffusion of the rioting, but evidently not. Helicopters have been overhead for the past few hours.
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QUOTE(steve201 @ Apr 8 2021, 02:43 PM) *
Loyalists have been protesting since Good Friday about the NI Protocol and also due to the polices decision not to charge SF politicans for attending the funeral of former IRA man Bobby Storey which breached corona virus legilsation. Since January Unionist media such as the newsletter have been constantly pushing a narrative of the small things that the NI Protocol has affected in terms of trade and DUP politicans have pushed a narrative that it affects their right to be British. One of the best ironies is DUP politicans saying that its a disgrace that a border is being put through their country without understanding the irony that for 100 years nationalists in NI would say thats what happened due to partition.

Last night the hijacked a bus and burnt it down. then proceeded to go to the peace walls on the Springfield Road and start throwing petrol bombs into the 'other side' to get them to respond and drag both communities into it.

Most of the people throwing petrol bombs are as young as 13 yo with sinister elelments in the background encouraging it. Loyalist 'leaders' try to push an agenda stating that they are being discrimiated against in comparison to 'the other side' which is nonsense the fact is there is no political or community leadership in their areas. The fact is that there disadvataged people on both sides.

The double irony is that unionist politicans which the areas where the riots are originating from vote for pushed brexit before the referendum for a variety of reasons but politically to create a bigger north-south divide they believed would be the outcome and were f***ed over (again) by a Tory government (similar to the 1910s) really only interested in English tory grievances and not NI tory griebvances. So when the brexit agreement discussions occurred simply Boris and Arlene came to the realisation that there had to be a trade barrier somewhere if a hard brexit is what they wanted and the only real option is in the Irish sea as a border on the land in NI would be chaotic due to the geography and many routes cross border and how the trade barrier would affect border communities who go back and forth for employment, family, culture and every other aspect of life.

But the leavers in the unionist parties are blaming remainers (nationalists and alliance) for creating the situation - melters that they are.


It's deeply worrying - also it's incredibly disheartening to see so many very young people, all of which were born after the signing of the Good Friday agreement in 1998 - involved and encouraged by others to take part in this mindless violence. Clearly it's a delicate situation and I guess it is a combination of many different factors, not least the impacts of Brexit and the Northern Ireland Protocol (de facto border between GB and NI) but the politicians aren't helping things by blaming the police for dropping the charges against SF politicans who broke Coronavirus rules to attend a funeral last summer. I think a lot of it is hopelessness and desperation at the growing inequalties and depravation within our society, that the pandemic has highlighted and likely made even worse, but I strongly hope that tensions can be calmed soon.
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post Apr 9 2021, 10:17 PM
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It does seem like from the recent news that some young people from nationalist areas are attacking police too as well now, not sure why?

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post Apr 28 2021, 05:09 PM
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And so after the vote of no confidence in Arlene Foster yesterday she has now resigned as FM and leader of the DUP.

Could be a general election coming up after all.
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post Apr 28 2021, 05:17 PM
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Wasn't she too liberal for the DUP's tastes?
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post Apr 28 2021, 05:40 PM
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Hmmm not sure about that, but yeh she wasnt a Free P which is a very right wing starting point 😂. To me shes right wing though but Im not a fan of any DUP leader!
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post Apr 28 2021, 05:42 PM
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Was being ironic - she's full on right wing conservative but not as batshit fundamentalist for the rest of the DUP.
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post Apr 28 2021, 06:18 PM
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Ah yes. Another election is exactly what NI needs at this exact moment. Surely they can just replace her as FM without an elec
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post Apr 28 2021, 06:33 PM
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The next election for the Assembly is due to be next year, so I'm guessing the DUP are intending to have the new leader installed by the end of June to give him a few months to settle in as leader to lead the party into the 2022 elections. That's supposing that Sinn Fein don't bring down the Executive themselves in the next few months to take advantage of the situation, which I wouldn't put past them.
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