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HausofKubrick
post 17th March 2022, 09:53 PM
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This extract from a Charli XCX interview has got me thinking:



She is incredibly complimentary of Gaga's debut and states that it was a game to help her to establish herself so she could then do whatever she wanted in the business. Do you think her sentiments about the debut are true or was it not such a calculated play and more just her musical vision at the time without thinking about what was to come later?

Did Gaga release Just Dance for Just Dance's sake or was it done so she could stamp her mark in the industry and then break away into her own style and sounds?
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Liam.k.
post 17th March 2022, 10:05 PM
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'The Fame' era as a whole was something totally different to anything we had seen before and Gaga was such an enigma. As the eras have gone by, Gaga has become more open and relatable so that initial image definitely feels like an act and part of her plan for the era. I wonder if that's what Charli is referring to or specifically 'Just Dance' itself, i.e. a care-free pop song about dancing that would be a sure-fire way of getting in the charts.

It feels like a moot point anyway because surely everyone has a game plan? Plus there's so many cases of pop stars having huge pop eras followed by eras that explore different avenues when they're no longer at their absolute peak.
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post 17th March 2022, 11:43 PM
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I don't agree with her. Gaga is not only an artist but also a human and her lyrics reflect her maturity at different times, each album is more mature than the previous one in terms of its lyrics.
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post 18th March 2022, 06:05 AM
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Obviously JD was the launch of a game plan because Gaga's career hadn't taken off on Def Jam and she needed another label. However, it was the monumental success of PF that "set her free" imo. I consider The Fame pretty safe as an album and even TFM clearly has "just RedOne and Gaga doing their thing" musically. Its songs were even offered to other artists (Telephone). And it was the visuals and overarching themes that made her truly exceptional at the time.

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post 18th March 2022, 06:59 AM
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I agree that although the music may have been "safe" looking back the visuals and promotion and her general Aura at the time meant she was not just another pop girl in it for fun and there was a plan to establish herself in the long run.

Also as Liam mentioned, it was different for the time and refreshing and kick-started a new wave of zany pop in the years that followed.

Sure it was calculated to be massive.. and it worked showing just how clever she was even at the time of her debut.
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post 18th March 2022, 08:18 AM
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I guess you also have to consider that the album was recorded and released at a time that was very R&B and hip-hop dominant. Working with Timbaland would have been more of a game plan than RedOne.
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post 18th March 2022, 10:54 AM
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QUOTE(Liam.k. @ Mar 18 2022, 08:18 AM) *
I guess you also have to consider that the album was recorded and released at a time that was very R&B and hip-hop dominant. Working with Timbaland would have been more of a game plan than RedOne.


Yeah, exactly! It's the sort of thing Madonna should have been aiming towards instead of Hard Candy a few months prior, which was a real bandwagon jump two years too late.
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post 18th March 2022, 03:28 PM
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In my view all of the music industry is a game.

The people that realise that (who work within the industry) have a much better chance at actually winning aka never having to worry about working again. Those who don't are going to have a much harder time.

Gaga is a smart and educated woman and I can definitely see her planning it, probably with the help of management and a narrative. But, it's really positive that she was able to bring social causes along with her from day 1 and use her platform for good as well as setting herself up for life.
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post 18th March 2022, 04:41 PM
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i always felt 'the fame' felt like a bunch of demos in mind for other artists. it's a good album but certainly lacked any real personality.

Monster was fantastic though.
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post 18th March 2022, 05:24 PM
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I don't get why a fun pop album with unpretentious lyrics would be an album with no real personality. If we go by that idea, all the pop divas had no personality on their first albums. Pop music is not just about "dark bops".
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post 19th March 2022, 12:11 PM
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I'd say the album was full of personality! Songs like Paper Gangsta, Paparazzi, Poker Face etc are quite autobiographical and meaningful in revealing Gaga's past and personality! The Fame is not faceless pop, far from it actually! It's boppy and fun but that doesn't mean there isn't a personality behind the lyrics.
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post 19th March 2022, 03:50 PM
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Ha, The Fame is filled with personality and staple Gaga-isms

Anyway, of course Gaga played the game and made herself as insanely successful as possible, but she also had the talent and charisma to pull it off.
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post 20th March 2022, 07:32 PM
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Continuing this, I think her intelligent vision for the musical world continued expertly with Born This Way. With that era she established a die-hard fanbase; a fanbase that would support her no matter what. It meant that her fans would always be by her side and support he music and tours and we see that continuing even now. The cult of Monsters that started with The Fame Monster but truly cemented itself with the Born This Way era is one of the reasons why she'll always have a following of sorts even in eras when the general public aren't here for her (ARTPOP etc).
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post 20th March 2022, 08:03 PM
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I’m kind of biased when it comes to Gaga so my views here may not be what others feel but anyways….

So even from the start I’d say Gaga was daring and kind of controversial. Poker Face was only her second ever release and her first as a pure solo single without a feature and look what we get a track about bisexuality, the f*** her face line sneaking on radio in the chorus, THAT music video. She was always making a point even from the start.

I think Charli was being complimentary but The Fame even before the release is still full of personality and the tracks on the album have dark elements and are cleverly written and structured. Just Dance may well just be a party song what got her noticed but Poker Face, Paparazzi, Paper Gangsta etc all have spark to them. I’d also say Gaga pretty much changed music with that era not just in sound but her fashion too like we seen the likes of Katy and Rihanna all up the fashion stakes after Gaga debuted and her sound influenced a lot of music released after that time.

To an extent you could say Gaga played a game but it worked. Like for instance, if she debuted with Born This Way and followed that up with The Fame it would’ve been interesting to see how her career went but I think even from the start her choices have been bold and daring and she’s never really played anything “safe” per say.
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post 20th March 2022, 08:08 PM
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Btw just listened to Charli's album and it's pretty good while also being pretty all over the place. But can definitely see the impact of several main pop women (Britney, Gaga) but also some more forgotten/indie acts like Christine (who is featured) and Roisin Murphy.

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post 21st March 2022, 09:03 PM
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I love Charli's album - it's such a RUSH. Glad it's getting the success it deserves and she can get a taste of being a big pop girl here like she talks about Gaga being in this interview biggrin.gif
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