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| The Album Chart - Extreme Fluidity with top positions, What's going on? |
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 21st September 2022, 07:45 PM
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Considering the singles chart is pretty dull some weeks, with very little to no movement - the album chart seems to be the most fluid especially with the top positions. This week potentially sees Robbie Williams going from top to missing the top 40 potentially, and runner-up Ozzy Osbourne going from 2nd to nowhere. Throw in Yungblud suffering a huge drop from 1st to somewhere in the 70s.
What is actually going on here? Are many of these sales front-loaded by fan bases of said acts? Are many of these acts who don't seem to have a look-in on the singles chart using the album chart to promote themselves? Or is this due to the lack of big name releases with albums? |
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21st September 2022, 07:56 PM
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It's a mix of low sales, therefore smaller gaps between positions, making it easier to slip down the chart, plus streaming taking over when many new albums are heavily sales-based. Buying physical music is less common outside of week 1 (or Q4) these days, especially with fewer places stocking CDs such as supermarkets where casual purchases could've been made, meaning if albums want to hold up, they need to have solid streams. Artists like Robbie Williams just don't have that, which explains the drop.
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21st September 2022, 07:57 PM
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 ‘psychedelic pop-infused’? Pull the other one!
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You’ve answered it yourself really, it’s mainly down to fanbases buying albums in the first week. Yungblud plays arenas now but hasn’t had much singles chart success, you don’t really need to do well on that front to be big anymore.
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21st September 2022, 10:33 PM
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QUOTE(JosephStyles @ Sep 21 2022, 08:56 PM)  It's a mix of low sales, therefore smaller gaps between positions, making it easier to slip down the chart, plus streaming taking over when many new albums are heavily sales-based. Buying physical music is less common outside of week 1 (or Q4) these days, especially with fewer places stocking CDs such as supermarkets where casual purchases could've been made, meaning if albums want to hold up, they need to have solid streams. Artists like Robbie Williams just don't have that, which explains the drop. This really is it and people outside fanbases just dont seem to be buying physical albums anymore apart from casual sales for Christmas and even those sales have dropped alot in recent years. I do hate the way the album chart has gone as while i still follow it religiously its becoming more and more irrelevant. While i still buy physical albums myself the days of buying an album only to discover it was rubbish are over. The only thing i like about streaming is you can listen to the songs to see what the album is like before you go out and spend your money on it, and i do think this plays a part aswell as i know there are many albums i would have bought but didnt after hearing what the album was like. |
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21st September 2022, 10:43 PM
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Acr rule album chart help new album
Got to many greatest hits the best of album Then wired albums like Bruno Mars donkey go Compilation chart really only now album left rest soundtrack album from films £5 compilation albums don’t come out munch as supermarkets sold them stop cds plus every streams song not buy compilation album last now number or now yearbook or some spin off now Gone day load ministry of sound album in year get annual once year. The hits album stop agin . Streaming error kill albums choose song from album like don’t have buy whole album This post has been edited by Dj Cheeky Magpie: 21st September 2022, 10:45 PM |
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22nd September 2022, 05:22 AM
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people still do great 1st week sales thanks to the multivariants and all those colour vinyls but otherwise no one buys physicals...
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22nd September 2022, 07:27 AM
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Is there an argument for a separate greatest hits chart for entries registering more than 52 weeks?
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22nd September 2022, 07:56 AM
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What they need to do is sort how they count streams for GH
Streaming the "This is Elton John" playlist is not the same s listening to EJ's Diamonds a GH album that no one is buying or streaming shouldn't get 5K free sales every week cos people stream This is Elton John |
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22nd September 2022, 09:10 AM
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It amazes me how they don't yet have an algorithm that filters out which plays are coming from a playlist and which are actually coming from the album/compilation itself. Unless it's deliberate to not let the album chart look more dead than it actually is.
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22nd September 2022, 11:17 AM
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QUOTE(Jessie Where @ Sep 22 2022, 05:10 PM) It amazes me how they don't yet have an algorithm that filters out which plays are coming from a playlist and which are actually coming from the album/compilation itself. Unless it's deliberate to not let the album chart look more dead than it actually is. Think it would be way more messy and annoying if they did that. No one's really listening to an album in the traditional sense if they're streaming, most of the time they're just using whatever the first result is that came up which can flip on a dime with algorithms. Even if such a thing did temporarily 'fix' the album chart, it'd merely shift the goalposts and settle into a new equilibrium that no one's happy with again. |
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22nd September 2022, 01:10 PM
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Is it better for an album to go straight in at No.1 and then fall drastically the following week, or to have multiple weeks in the Top 10 or Top 20, but never actually make No.1?
Would it be better if the different variants were released on different weeks to keep the album alive for a bit longer? Do people like ordering every version and getting them all in the same week, or on the same day even, or would they like the CD on release day, the deluxe the following week, the individual member covers the week after, the coloured vinyl the week after that? As a comparison, I remember buying a single back in the 80s where I got the 7" vinyl to start with, the 12" some time after, then the picture disc, then the poster pack. It seems there is such a concentration on making No.1 on the first week, that the longevity of an album campaign seems to have died. I know this thread is about albums, not singles, but on a similar note... What about when The 1975 release four songs from their album before it's released and then nothing once it's out there? Was it good for Harry Styles that Late Night Talking was such a success as an album track that by the time it got round to being promoted as a single that it struggled to get back into the Top 10 without releasing some vinyls? No answers here... just more questions 
This post has been edited by CJK: 22nd September 2022, 01:12 PM |
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