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post Oct 22 2007, 05:27 PM
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October 2007, is actually 50 years, since the BBC, started to follow a singles chart. Before this, the actual singles chart was ignored by them. RADIO LUXEMBOURG were still using Sheet music sales (1949 - 1959). The BBC, started "PICK OF THE POPS" on Tuesday 4th Oct 1955. It was a fortnightly show at 9pm. This just featured new releases. At that point, the BBC were still rather behind the times, and played loads of 40s music. That also, reflected most of the new releases in 'PICK OF THE POPS", introduced by FRANKLIN ENGELMAN (a BBC anouncer). FRANKLIN`s first theme tune was IT`S THE TUNE THAT COUNTS by FATS WALLER, (he also used one called GOOD CLEAN FUN). The first producer was DENYS JONES. The only chart show on the BBC then,was a programme called "HIT PARADE", that was also, all about sheet music (the biggest selling music of the week, played by the BBC orchestra). It went out on Sundays at 6pm.

On January 10th 1956, ALAN DELL took over on PICK OF THE POPS. It was still all new releases, going out on Tuesdays, again at 9pm. This later (11th Apr 56) moved to Wednesdays. On the 5th Sept 1956, DAVID JACOBS took over. He moved to Saturdays at 6pm, from Oct 6th. Still only playing new releases, he took it to Sundays at 11pm, from 31st March 1957. The producer was now DEREK CHINNERY. On SUNDAY 29th Sept 57, ALAN DELL returned.

Sunday 6th October 57, was the first time the programme, featured the latest hits (as well as new releases). All the top 10 hits from NME, RECORD MIRROR and MELODY MAKER were played, and ended up with just an averaged top 3. The first top 3 featured 3) LOVE LETTERS IN THE SAND - PAT BOONE, 2) LAST TRAIN TO SAN FERNANDO - JOHNNY DUNCAN, 1) DIANA - PAUL ANKA. Interestingly, EMI, started doing a chart of their own, that week too (slightly different from the BBC, because EMI had a small percentage of sales data)

The BRITISH FORCES BROADCAST NETWORK, were already doing an averaged chart then. On the 30th March 1958, DAVID JACOBS returned to PICK OF THE POPS, this time he featured the new entries and climbers in the Aveaged Top 20 (compiled by adding positions together from NME, RECORD MIRROR, MELODY MAKER and DISC AND MUSIC ECHO. The producer of the show (DEREK CHINNERY) was supplied with the music press charts every Friday. Then he would at the positions together from all charts to come up with the BBC TOP 20 (along with his daughter).

From the 24th May 58, PICK OF THE POPS moved to Saturday nights at 11pm. It stayed there for 3 and a half years. Between June 59 and Aug 59, there was a newspaper strike so many music papers were not published. (It did not affect the BBC because the papers, supplied the charts to them by post, anyway). Derek just added them together. From 21st May 1960, the chart was only added up from NME, MELODY MAKER and DISC. DAVID JACOBS` used SWINGING AT THE TOWER, by RAY ANTHONY, as the theme for his shows.

On the 23rd Sept 61, ALAN FREEMAN took over the show. It was broadcasted in 3 segments at 9.20pm, 10.40 and 11.20 in a Saturday Jazz block, called TRAD TAVERN.

On Sunday 7th Jan 62, ALAN FREEMAN moved to Sundays at 4pm. This time playing new entries 20 - 11, new releases, and ending up with the full averaged top 10. From 31st Mar 62, the charts were averaged from NME, MELODY MAKER, DISC and RECORD RETAILER.

On the 7th Oct 62, David Jacobs, returned to host the show, with the same format as Alan, but a different theme tune, Alan had used "AT THE SIGN OF THE SWINGING CYMBAL" by BRIAN FAHEY.

6th Jan 63, ALAN FREEMAN returned for a second stint. He was replaced by DON MOSS on the 5th Oct 63. The new entries were then referred to as "Chart-starters". DON MOSS used CHRISTOPHER COLUMBUS by FRANCIS DAY as the theme for his shows. His producer was TEDDY WARWICK.

TOP OF THE POPS started on BBC TV on 1st Jan 64, ALAN FREEMAN returned to PICK OF THE POPS on Sun 5th Jan 1964. DON MOSS was now the holiday stand-in. alan used a new theme from Apr 66, it was QUITE BESIDE THE POINT by the HARRY ROBERTS SOUND.

DENYS JONES took over producing POTP in Dec 66. He now added the charts together. From 27th Aug 67, the programme was increased to the 4.30 - 6.00pm slot. Now it featured the top 30, averaged from NME, MELODY MAKER and RECORD RETAILER coz DISC were now using the same chart as MELODY MAKER.

On the 1st Oct 67, PICK OF THE POPS became a 2 hour, show 5-7pm, now it played new entries 30-21, new releases and the complete averaged top 20. This was now compiled on the previous Tuesday lunchtime (it had been since 1964).

On 16th Feb 69, the show started to use the RECORD RETAILER/MUSIC WEEK chart compiled by the BRITISH MARKET RESEARCH BUREAU. In april 1970, Alan started to use a new theme for the show..a new version of AT THE SIGN OF THE SWINGING CYMBAL by BRASS INCORPORATED.

PICK OF THE POPS was axed in Sept 72 (although, it did return, on the Saturday 5th June 1982, on London`s Capital Radio, known as PICK OF THE POPS - TAKE TWO, playing the brand new NME/MRIB London top 15 chart, back to back with a chart from the past). On Radio One, it was replaced on the 1st Oct 1972, by TOM BROWNE`s SOLID GOLD SIXTY 4-7PM. This featured Radio 1 airply 60 - 21, and from 6pm the complete sales top 20. The theme was BROTHER by CCS. TOM BROWNE`s producers were, DAVE PRICE 72 - 74, PETE RITZEMA 75 - 76, and BERNIE ANDREWS from 77 (he produced the chart show, right through to the Spring of 1983).

From 24th March 74, the first 2 hours were dropped (PAUL BURNETT now counted down Radio 1`s airplay chart on Sunday mornings) TOM BROWNE continued with the top 20 sales every Sunday at 6pm.

Tom quit in March 78, to host a tv show in Denmark. SIMON BATES took over on 26th March 78. On tuesday 9th May Radio 1 started to use a top 40, but only the top 20 was broadcasted on a Sunday.

SIMON BATES increased to a top 40 on 11th Nov 78 at 5pm - 7pm. Playing around 18 records in the 40-21 part, from 6pm Radio 2 joined for the complete top 20. From 27th Jan 79, radio 2, no longer took the show. Simon, now played around 16 records between 40-21 and the complete 20 from 5.50pm.

On 2nd Sep 79, TONY BLACKBURN took over basically the same format as SIMON but he did not get so many hits in to the 40-21 part, usually around 32 or 33. Tony, dropped the theme (BROTHER by CCS) for a theme entitled FIREPOWER. He used two versions, of this but mainly the one by the HOT FORTIES.

On the 10th Jan 82, TOMMY VANCE took over. He started to drop the jingles for chart positions. ANDY PEEBLES was the stand-in presenter. He didn`t have a regular theme, instead mainly used instrumentals of current hits i.e. DOWN UNDER by MEN AT WORK etc.

On the 8th Jan 84 SIMON BATES was back..with new jingles.

The 30th Sept 84, saw INDEPENDANT RADIO launch the NETWORK CHART with DAVID JENSEN. RICHARD SKINNER was brought in to host Radio 1s top 40. He toyed around trying to play 40 hits in 2 hours for a while, then slip back to only playing around 31. Richard`s theme was ROCK-ALL by MEZZOFORTE, (this was also used by BRUNO BROOKES).

Easter 86, RICHARD SKINNER left for CAPITAL RADIO, BRUNO BROOKES was the replacement. On the 4th Oct 87, it was the first time the brand new chart was announced on Sundays (a move to beat DAVID JENSENs ILR input). BRUNO only played about 30 records from the chart though. ILR reacted quickly increasing there chart to play new entries and climbers 75 - 31 in a 3 hour show, and the entire top 30 (Although the first hour, could only be heard on CAPITAL RADIO). From around 91, the NETWORK CHART, increased to a top 40 (broadcasted, on around 80 Independant Radio stations, across the UK).

Bruno was replaced by Mark Goodier in Jan 91, playing the complete top 40 at 4.30, In 1992 BRUNO returned from 4-7pm playing records in full!

Come Apr 95, MARK GOODIER was back. Until Nov 2002, he left. Various other radio 1 presenters did the show until feb 03, when WES BUTTERS took over. The programme was a mess..playing the best of the top 20 albums, lots of chat...and it hardly played any of the 40-21 part of the chart. Towards the end of MARK GOODIER`s reign on the top 40, he used a re-worked theme, AT THE SIGN OF THE SWINGING CYMBAL, this time by FATBOY SLIM (NORMAN COOK). At the end of 2001, he began to use CRASH by the PROPELLERHEADS (another take on, the SWINGING CYMBAL) as the new theme.

2004 came around, JK and JOEL took over...it was more mess, just like Wes, but even worse. Earlier this year, they did however start playing much more of the chart positions 40 -21, sometimes managing 39 0ut of 40.

Oct 14th 2007, more mess..chat (what are we doing?) from FEARNE COTTON and REGGIE YATES. Although the programme on 21st Oct, was slightly better than the previous one!

Sept 27th 2009, REGGIE YATES goes it alone, as FEARNE now hosts the mid-morning show on Radio One.

By the way if anyone would like to know exactly how the BBC chart was worked out between 57 - 69, and a complete list of number ones, from that period...read on!


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post Oct 22 2007, 07:28 PM
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Great info. The Network Chart only featured a Top 30 for about the first seven years though - played in full. Positions 75-31 were featured on a "warm-up" programme between 4-5pm on Capital Radio featuring a selection of new entries and climbers.

I think it was 1991 that this was increased to a complete Top 40 - mirroring what Bruno and Mark were doing on Radio 1. Radio 1's 4:30pm start didn't last long: loads of the songs were clumsily edited so they could feature them all. Verses and choruses missed out here and there... It was dreadful. I was very relieved when they extended it to a three-hour show. I miss that format so much! Wish I'd appreciated it properly at the time!


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post Oct 22 2007, 07:39 PM
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Great Read happy.gif

Thanks for posting Trevs happy.gif
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post Oct 22 2007, 08:00 PM
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Nice one Trev

And it also makes a great report for front page news

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post Oct 22 2007, 08:16 PM
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Thats a good read, thank you for posting.
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post Oct 22 2007, 09:19 PM
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Cheers, Trev what an excellent informative post regarding the history of BBC Radio's Chart countdown.

As for the Averaged charts worked out between 1957 - 69 with a complete BBC number one, rundown 57 - 69! I reckon that would go down really well in our Retro Forum. thumbup.gif
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post Oct 22 2007, 09:48 PM
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QUOTE(thisispop @ Oct 22 2007, 10:20 PM) *
Cheers, Trev what an excellent informative post regarding the history of BBC Radio's Chart countdown.

As for the Averaged charts worked out between 1957 - 69 with a complete BBC number one, rundown 57 - 69! I reckon that would go down really well in our Retro Forum. thumbup.gif


Yep, will list the BBC Number ones on the retro forum. I already use their charts, when I do the Vintage charts there. I find it hard to believe that PICK OF THE POPS and DALE WINTON do not use them today. I know many people passed retirement age that remember the original charts, Alan Freeman, David Jacobs etc, and when Dale, tells us that DES O, CONNER had a number one in 1968..they all say "but that wasn`t number one in Pick of the Pops in the 60s"!!! And it indeed only made number 2, on the BBC TOP 30! It was just GUINESS that thrust that news on us!!!
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very informative!

I'd love to see a list of all the BBC number ones.
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post Oct 23 2007, 05:43 PM
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Maybe I should do the thread of BBC number ones 57 - 69, on the Retro forum..but then I thought, this is the same thread, and will continue nicely here!!
So here we go with the BBC number ones part 1...
5TH OCT 57 DIANA - PAUL ANKA (this one would have actually gone to the top on 31/08/57)
2ND NOV 57 THAT`LL BE THE DAY - BUDDY HOLLY/CRICKETS
23RD NOV 57 MARY`S BOY CHILD - HARRY BELAFONTE
11TH JAN 58 MA HE`S MAKING EYES AT ME - JOHNNY OTIS SHOW
18TH JAN 58 GREAT BALLS OF FIRE - JERRY LEE LEWIS
25TH JAN 58 JAILHOUSE ROCK - ELVIS (entered at number 1)
15TH FEB 58 STORY OF MY LIFE - MICHAEL HOLLIDAY
1ST MAR 58 MAGIC MOMENTS/CATCH A FALLING STAR - PERRY COMO
19TH APR 58 MAGIC MOMENTS (tied with WHOLE LOTTA WOMAN - MARVIN RAINWATER)
26TH APR 58 WHOLE LOTTA WOMAN - MARVIN RAINWATER
17TH MAY 58 WHO`S SORRY NOW - CONNIE FRANCIS
28TH JUN 58 ALL I HAVE TO DO IS DREAM/CLAUDETTE - EVERLY BROTHERS
23RD AUG 58 WHEN - KALIN TWINS
27TH SEP 58 STUPID CUPID/CAROLINA MOON - CONNIE FRANCIS
1ST NOV 58 BIRD DOG - EVERLY BROTHERS
22ND NOV 58 HOOTS MON - LORD ROCKINGHAMS XI
20TH DEC 58 ITS ONLY MAKE BELIEVE - CONWAY TWITTY
31ST JAN 59 ONE NIGHT/I GOT STUNG - ELVIS
21ST FEB 59 AS I LOVE YOU - SHIRLEY BASSEY
7TH MAR 59 AS I LOVE YOU (tie with SMOKE GETS IN YOUR EYES - PLATTERS)
14TH MAR 59 SMOKE GETS IN YOUR EYES - PLATTERS
28TH MAR 59 SMOKE GETS IN YOUR EYES (tie with SIDESADDLE - RUSS CONWAY)
4TH APR 59 SIDESADDLE - RUSS CONWAY
25TH APR 59 IT DOESN`T MATTER ANYMORE - BUDDY HOLLY
23RD MAY 59 FOOL SUCH AS I/NEED YOUR LOVE TONIGHT - ELVIS
20TH JUN 59 ROULETTE - RUSS CONWAY
27TH JUN 59 ROULETTE (tie with DREAM LOVER - BOBBY DARIN)
4TH JUL 59 DREAM LOVER - BOBBY DARIN
1ST AUG 59 LIVIN` DOLL - CLIFF
5TH SEP 59 ONLY SIXTEEN - CRAIG DOUGLAS
10TH OCT 59 ONLY SIXTEEN (tie with HERE COMES SUMMER - JERRY KELLER)
17TH OCT 59 HERE COMES SUMMER - JERRY KELLER
24TH OCT 59 TRAVELLIN` LIGHT - CLIFF
5TH DEC 59 WHAT DO YOU WANT TO MAKE THOSE EYES AT ME FOR - EMILE FORD
12TH DEC 59 WHAT DO YOU WANT - ADAM FAITH
NO CHART 2ND JAN 60 Derek Chinnery did not do one due to Christmas/new year
9th JAN 60 WHAT DO YOU WANT TO MAKE THOSE EYES AT ME FOR - EMILE FORD
30TH JAN 60 STARRY EYED - MICHAEL HOLLIDAY
6TH FEB 60 WHY - ANTHONY NEWLY
5TH MAR 60 POOR ME - ADAM FAITH
19TH MAR 60 RUNNING BEAR - JOHNNY PRESTON
2ND APR 60 MY OLD MAN`S A DUSTMAN - LONNIE DONEGAN
30TH APR 60 DO YOU MIND - ADAM FAITH
7TH MAY 60 CATHY`S CLOWN - EVERLY BROTHERS
30TH JUN 60 GOOD TIMIN` - JIMMY JONES
23RD JUL 60 PLEASE DON`T TEASE - CLIFF
20TH AUG 60 APACHE - SHADOWS
1ST OCT 60 TELL LAURA I LOVE HER - RICKY VALENCE
15TH OCT 60 ONLY THE LONELY - ROY ORBISON
5TH NOV 60 ITS NOW OR NEVER - ELVIS (entered at number 1)
7TH JAN 61 POETRY IN MOTION - JOHNNY TILLOTSON
28TH JAN 61 ARE YOU LONESOME TONIGHT - ELVIS
4TH MAR 61 WALK RIGHT BACK/EBONY EYES - EVERLY BROTHERS
25TH MAR 61 WOODEN HEART - ELVIS PRESLEY
20TH APR 61 ARE YOU SURE - ALLISONS
27TH APR 61 WOODEN HEART - ELVIS
4TH MAY 61 YOU`RE DRIVIN` ME CRAZY - TEMPERENCE SEVEN (tie with BLUE MOON - MARCELS)
11TH MAY 61 BLUE MOON - MARCELS
25TH MAY 61 RUNAWAY - DEL SHANNON
1ST JUN 61 SURRENDER - ELVIS
22ND JUN 61 RUNAWAY - DEL SHANNON
13TH JUL 61 TEMPTATION - EVERLY BROTHERS
27TH JUL 61 WELL I ASK YOU - EDEN KANE
3RD AUG 61 YOU DON`T KNOW - HELEN SHAPIRO
24TH AUG 61 JOHNNY REMEMBER ME - JOHN LEYTON
5TH OCT 61 MICHAEL ROW THE BOAT - HIGHWAYMEN
19TH OCT 61 WALKIN` BACK TO HAPPINESS - HELEN SHAPIRO
9TH NOV 61 HIS LATEST FLAME/LITTLE SISTER - ELVIS
30TH NOV 61 TAKE GOOD CARE OF MY BABY - BOBBY VEE
7TH DEC 61 TOWER OF STRENGTH - FRANKIE VAUGHAN
28TH DEC 61 MOON RIVER - DANNY WILLIAMS

All the BBC charts used to list double A sides together, whatever. From the 20th Apr 61, the chart is compiled on a Thursday..where as before the date is a Saturday(Although the chart was then compiled on Friday afternoons.
On to 1962...
4TH JAN 62 STRANGER ON THE SHORE - ACKER BILK
11th JAN 62 THE YOUNG ONES - CLIFF RICHARD (entered at number 1)
22ND FEB 62 ROCK-A-HULA BABY/CANT HELP FALLING IN LOVE
1ST MAR 62 THE YOUNG ONES - CLIFF
8TH MAR 62 MARCH OF THE SIAMESE CHILDREN - KENNY BALL
15TH MAR 62 MARCH OF THE SIAMESE CHILDREN (tie with WONDERFUL LAND - SHADOWS)
22ND MAR 62 WONDERFUL LAND - SHADOWS
10TH MAY 62 NUTROCKER - B. BUMBLE AND THE STINGERS
17TH MAY 62 GOOD LUCK CHARM - ELVIS
28TH JUN 62 COME OUTSIDE - MIKE SARNE/WENDY RICHARD
5TH JUL 62 A PICTURE OF YOU - JOE BROWN
12TH JUL 62 I CANT STOP LOVING YOU - RAY CHARLES
26TH JUL 62 I REMEMBER YOU - FRANK IFIELD
13TH SEP 62 I REMEMBER YOU (tie with SHE`S NOT YOU - ELVIS)
20TH SEP 62 SHE`S NOT YOU - ELVIS
4TH OCT 62 TELSTAR - TORNADOS
8TH NOV 62 LOVESICK BLUES/SHE TAUGHT ME TO YODEL - FRANK IFIELD
13TH DEC 62 RETURN TO SENDER - ELVIS
3RD JAN 63 THE NEXT TIME/BACHELOR BOY - CLIFF
24TH JAN 63 THE NEXT TIME/BACHELOR BOY (tie with DANCE ON - SHADOWS)
31ST JAN 63 DIAMONDS - JET HARRIS/TONY MEEHAN
21ST FEB 63 PLEASE PLEASE ME - BEATLES (their first number one single, don`t let anyone tell, you different)!!
7TH MAR 63 PLEASE PLEASE ME (tie with SUMMER HOLIDAY - CLIFF
14TH MAR 63 SUMMER HOLIDAY - CLIFF
28TH MAR 63 FOOT TAPPER - SHADOWS
4TH APR 63 HOW DO YOU DO IT - GERRY AND THE PACEMAKERS
2ND MAY 63 FROM ME TO YOU - BEATLES
6TH JUN 63 FROM ME TO YOU (tie with DO YOU WANT TO KNOW A SECRET - BILLY J. KRAMER)
13TH JUN 63 I LIKE IT - GERRY/PACEMAKERS
18TH JUL 63 CONFESSIN` - FRANK IFIELD
8TH AUG 63 SWEETS FOR MY SWEET - SEARCHERS
22ND AUG 63 BAD TO ME - BILLY J. KRAMER
5TH SEP 63 SHE LOVES YOU - BEATLES
3RD OCT 63 SHE LOVES YOU (tie with DO YOU LOVE ME - BRIAN POOLE/TREMOLOES
10TH OCT 63 DO YOU LOVE ME - BRIAN POOLE/TREMOLOES
24TH OCT 63 YOU`LL NEVER WALK ALONE - GERRY AND THE PACEMAKERS
21ST NOV 63 YOU`LL NEVER WALK ALONE (tie with SHE LOVES YOU - BEATLES)
28TH NOV 63 SHE LOVES YOU - BEATLES
12TH DEC 63 I WANNA HOLD YOUR HAND - BEATLES
7TH JAN 64 I WANNA HOLD YOUR HAND (tie with GLAD ALL OVER - DAVE CLARK FIVE
14TH JAN 64 GLAD ALL OVER - DAVE CLARK FIVE
28TH JAN 64 NEEDLES AND PINS - SEARCHERS
18TH FEB 64 ANYONE WHO HAD A HEART - CILLA BLACK
17TH MAR 64 LITTLE CHILDREN - BILLY J. KRAMER
24TH MAR 64 CANT BUY ME LOVE - BEATLES (the first BEATLES disc, to enter at number 1)
14TH APR 64 WORLD WITHOUT LOVE - PETER AND GORDON
28TH APR 64 DONT THROW YOUR LOVE AWAY - SEARCHERS
12TH MAY 64 JULIET - FOUR PENNIES
26TH MAY 64 YOU`RE MY WORLD - CILLA BLACK
16TH JUN 64 ITS OVER - ROY ORBISON
7TH JUL 64 HOUSE OF THE RISING SUN - ANIMALS
14TH JUL 64 A HARD DAYS NIGHT - BEATLES (2nd BEATLES disc to enter at number 1)
11TH AUG 64 DO WAH DIDDY DIDDY - MANFRED MANN
25TH AUG 64 HAVE I THE RIGHT - HONEYCOMBS
8TH SEP 64 HAVE I THE RIGHT (tie with YOU REALLY GOT ME - KINKS)
15TH SEP 64 YOU REALLY GOT ME - KINKS
22ND SEP 64 I`M INTO SOMETHING GOOD - HERMAN`S HERMITS
6TH OCT 64 OH PRETTY WOMAN - ROY ORBISON
27TH OCT 64 ALWAYS SOMETHING THERE TO REMIND ME - SANDIE SHAW
10TH NOV 64 BABY LOVE - SUPREMES
1ST DEC 64 I FEEL FINE - BEATLES (3rd BEATLES disc to enter at number 1)
12TH JAN 65 YEH YEH - GEORGIE FAME
19TH JAN 65 GO NOW - MOODY BLUES
2ND FEB 65 YOU`VE LOST THAT LOVIN` FEELING - RIGHTEOUS BROTHERS
9TH FEB 65 TIRED OF WAITING FOR YOU - KINKS
16TH FEB 65 I`LL NEVER FIND ANOTHER YOU - SEEKERS
2ND MAR 65 ITS NOT UNUSUAL - TOM JONES
9TH MAR 65 THE LAST TIME - ROLLING STONES (this single went from 18 - 1)
6TH APR 65 CONCRETE AND CLAY - UNIT 4 PLUS 2
13TH APR 65 TICKET TO RIDE - BEATLES (the 4th BEATLES disc to enter at number 1)
18TH MAY 65 WHERE ARE YOU NOW MY LOVE - JACKIE TRENT
25TH MAY 65 LONG LIVE LOVE - SANDIE SHAW
15TH JUN 65 CRYING IN THE CHAPEL - ELVIS
29TH JUN 65 I`M ALIVE - HOLLIES
13TH JUL 65 MR TAMBOURINE MAN - BYRDS
27TH JUL 65 HELP - BEATLES (the 5th BEATLES disc to enter at number 1)
24TH AUG 65 I GOT YOU BABE - SONNY AND CHER
7TH SEP 65 SATISFACTION - ROLLING STONES
21ST SEP 65 MAKE IT EASY ON YOURSELF - WALKER BROTHERS
28TH SEP 65 TEARS - KEN DODD
2ND NOV 65 GET OFF OF MY CLOUD - ROLLING STONES (this one went from 9 - 1)
23RD NOV 65 THE CARNIVAL IS OVER - SEEKERS
14TH DEC 65 DAYTRIPPER/WE CAN WORK IT OUT - BEATLES (this one did not enter at number 1)
11TH JAN 66 KEEP ON RUNNING - SPENCER DAVIS GROUP

From 31st Dec 1963, the chart was compiled on a Tuesday.

25TH JAN 66 MICHELLE - OVERLANDERS (from 5 - 1)
8TH FEB 66 THESE BOOTS ARE MADE FOR WALKING - NANCY SINATRA
15TH FEB 66 NINETEENTH NERVOUS BREAKDOWN - ROLLING STONES (from 6 - 1)
8TH MAR 66 SHA LA LA LEE - SMALL FACES
15TH MAR 66 THE SUN AIN`T GONNA SHINE ANYMORE - WALKER BROTHERS
12TH APR 66 SOMEBODY HELP ME - SPENCER DAVIS GROUP
19TH APR 66 YOU DONT HAVE TO SAY YOU LOVE ME - DUSTY SPRINGFIELD (from 6 - 1)
3RD MAY 66 PRETTY FLAMINGO - MANFRED MANN
24TH MAY 66 PAINT IT BLACK - ROLLING STONES (from 6 - 1)
31ST MAY 66 STRANGERS IN THE NIGHT - FRANK SINATRA
21ST JUN 66 PAPERBACK WRITER - BEATLES (did not enter at number 1)
5TH JUL 66 SUNNY AFTERNOON - KINKS
19TH JUL 66 GET AWAY - GEORGIE FAME
26TH JUL 66 OUT OF TIME - CHRIS FARLOWE
2ND AUG 66 WITH A GIRL LIKE YOU - TROGGS
16TH AUG 66 YELLOW SUBMARINE/ELEANOR RIGBY - BEATLES (went from 4 - 1)
6TH SEP 66 YELLOW SUBMARINE/ELEANOR RIGBY (tie with ALL OR NOTHING - SMALL FACES)
13TH SEP 66 ALL OR NOTHING - SMALL FACES
20TH SEP 66 DISTANT DRUMS - JIM REEVES
18TH OCT 66 REACH OUT I`LL BE THERE - FOUR TOPS (from 16 - 1)
15TH NOV 66 GOOD VIBRATIONS - BEACH BOYS
29TH NOV 66 GREEN GREEN GRASS OF HOME - TOM JONES
17TH JAN 67 I`M A BELIEVER - MONKEES
14TH FEB 67 THIS IS MY SONG - PETULA CLARK (from 7 - 1)
28TH FEB 67 RELEASE ME - ENGLEBERT HUMPERDINCK
11TH APR 67 SOMETHING STUPID - FRANK AND NANCY SINATRA
18TH APR 67 SOMETHING STUPID (tie with PUPPET ON A STRING - SANDIE SHAW)
25TH APR 67 PUPPET ON A STRING - SANDIE SHAW
16TH MAY 67 SILENCE IS GOLDEN - TREMOLOES (went from 4 - 1)
6TH JUN 67 A WHITER SHADE OF PALE - PROCOL HARUM
18TH JUL 67 ALL YOU NEED IS LOVE - BEATLES (from 3 - 1)
8TH AUG 67 SAN FRANCISCO (FLOWERS IN YOUR HAIR) - SCOTT MCKENZIE)
5TH SEP 67 THE LAST WALTZ - ENGLEBERT HUMPERDINCK
17TH OCT 67 MASSACHUSETTES - BEE GEES
7TH NOV 67 BABY NOW THAT I FOUND YOU - FOUNDATIONS
21ST NOV 67 LET THE HEARTACHES BEGIN - LONG JOHN BALDRY (from 8 - 1)
5TH DEC 67 HELLO GOODBYE - BEATLES (from 4 - 1)
16TH JAN 68 BALLAD OF BONNIE AND CLYDE - GEORGIE FAME (from 5 - 1)
23RD JAN 68 EVERLASTING LOVE - LOVE AFFAIR (from 6 - 1)
13TH FEB 68 THE MIGHTY QUINN - MANFRED MANN
27TH FEB 68 CINDERELLA ROCKEFELLA - ESTHER AND ABI OFARIUM
26TH MAR 68 LADY MADONNA - BEATLES (from 6 - 1)
9TH APR 68 CONGRATULATIONS - CLIFF RICHARD
16TH APR 68 WHAT A WONDERFUL WORLD/CABERET - LOUIS ARMSTRONG
14TH MAY 68 YOUNG GIRL - UNION GAP (from 5 - 1)
18TH JUN 68 JUMPING JACK FLASH - ROLLING STONES
2ND JUL 68 BABY COME BACK - EQUALS
23RD JUL 68 MONY MONY - TOMMY JAMES/SHONDELLS (from 6 -1)
27TH AUG 68 THIS GUY`S IN LOVE WITH YOU - HERB ALPERT (tieing with DO IT AGAIN - BEACH BOYS, and GOTTA GET A MESSAGE TO YOU - BEE GEES)
3RD SEP 68 GOTTA GET A MESSAGE TO YOU - BEE GEES
10TH SEP 68 HEY JUDE - BEATLES (from 8 - 1)
1ST OCT 68 THOSE WERE THE DAYS - MARY HOPKIN
5TH NOV 68 WITH A LITTLE HELP FROM MY FRIENDS - JOE COCKER
12TH NOV 68 THE GOOD THE BAD AND THE UGLY - HUGO MONTENEGRO
10TH DEC 68 LILY THE PINK - SCAFFOLD
7TH JAN 69 OB-LA-DI-OB-LA-DA - MARMALADE
28TH JAN 69 ALBATROSS - FLEETWOOD MAC
11TH FEB 69 HALF AS NICE - AMEN CORNER (from 15 - 1)

The very first Official chart on the Tuesday 11th Feb 1969. Don`t let anyone refer to an Official chart before that...there weren`t one!!!!

As many people are interested, as to how the BBC worked out the chart 57 - 69...here is an example, with the contraversial chart from 27th Aug 1968.
It was based on positions, from MELODY MAKER, NME, and RECORD RETAILER.

Firstly they note the position in MM, then NME, and finally RR...
01 03 03 THIS GUYS IN LOVE WITH YOU, added up you get 7points
02 04 01 DO IT AGAIN added up again to 7points
03 02 02 GOTTA GET A MESSAGE TO YOU again 7points (hence the tie at number one with the 3)
04 07 06 FIRE = 17points
05 01 05 HELP YOURSELF = 11points
06 05 04 MON MONY = 15points
07 06 08 I SAY A LITTLE PRAYER = 21points
08 08 07 HIGH IN THE SKY = 23points
09 09 09 SUNSHINE GIRL = 27points
10 12 13 I CLOSE MY EYES AND COUNT TO TEN = 35points
11 15 12 KEEP ON - BRUCE CHANNEL = 38points
12 11 11 HOLD ME TIGHT = 34points
13 12 10 DANCE TO THE MUSIC = 35points
14 13 16 ON THE ROAD AGAIN = 43points
15 16 17 MRS ROBINSON = 48points
16 14 14 I PRETEND = 44points
17 17 15 DAYS = 49points
18 18 18 DREAM A LITTLE DREAM OF ME = 54points
19 22 20 LAST NIGHT IN SO HO = 61points
20 29 23 THE UNIVERSAL = 72points
21 23 19 HARD TO HANDLE = 63points
22 24 21 LADY WILLPOWER = 67points
23 21 31 DREAM A LITTLE DREAM (ANITA HARRIS) If a single was missing from one top 30, it was awarded 31points, for that particular chart, whatever.
24 19 22 YOUR TIME HASNT COME YET BABY = 65points
25 31 26 MACARTHUR PARK = 82points
26 31 25 AMERICA = 82points
27 31 31 YUMMY YUMMY YUMMY = 89points
28 20 24 JESAMINE = 72points
29 31 29 BABY COME BACK - EQUALS 89points
30 30 31 LAUREL AND HARDY = 91points
31 25 31 ELEANOR RIGBY (RAY CHARLES) = 87points
31 26 31 WE CAN HELP YOU = 88points
31 27 28 VOICES IN THE SKY = 86points
31 28 27 SON OF HICKORY HOLLERS TRAMP = 86points
31 31 30 HERE COMES THE JUDGE (PIGMEAT MARKHAM) 92points

Now, you have to sort out the BBC chart positions, based on the points...the lower the number of points, the higher the chart position..So the BBC TOP 30, that week, would have been as follows...
01 THIS GUY`S IN LOVE - HERB ALPERT 7PTS
01 DO IT AGAIN 7PTS
01 GOTTA GET A MESAGE TO YOU - BEE GEES 7PTS
04 HELP YOURSELF - TOM JONES 11PTS
05 MONY MONY - TOMMY JAMES 15PTS
06 FIRE - ARTHUR BROWN 17PTS
07 I SAY A LITTLE PRAYER - ARETHA FRANKLIN 21PTS
08 HIGH IN THE SKY 23PTS
09 SUNSHINE GIRL - HERMAN`S HERMITS 27PTS
10 DANCE TO THE MUSIC - SLY/FAMILY STONE 33PTS
11 HOLD ME TIGHT - JOHNNY NASH 34PTS
12 I CLOSE MY EYES AND COUNT - DUSTY SPRINGFIELD 35PTS
13 KEEP ON - BRUCE CHANNEL 38PTS
14 ON THE ROAD AGAIN - CANNED HEAT 43PTS
15 I PRETEND - DES O` CONNER 44PTS
16 MRS ROBINSON 48PTS
17 DAYS - KINKS 49PTS
18 DREAM A LITTLE DREAM - MAMA CASS 54PTS
19 LAST NIGHT IN SO HO 61PTS
20 HARD TO HANDLE - OTIS REDDING 63PTS
21 YOUR TIME HASNT COME - ELVIS 65PTS
22 LADY WILLPOWER 67PTS
23 JESAMINE - CASUALS 72PTS
24 UNIVERSAL - SMALL FACES 72PTS (Although tieing, on points, during this situation, as the SMALL FACES were falling, they were separated from the CASUALS
25 DREAM A LITTLE DREAM - ANITA HARRIS 78PTS
26 AMERICA - THE NICE 82PTS
27 MACARTHUR PARK - RICHARD HARRIS 82PTS (Again as RICHARD was falling, he was separated from THE NICE
28 VOICES IN THE SKY - MOODY BLUES 86PTS
29 SON OF HICKORY HOLLERS TRAMP - O.C. SMITH 86PTS (Again separated from a tie, because it was falling)
30 ELEANOR RIGBY - RAY CHARLES 87PTS

That explains, the Averaged equation. Contrary to the fact that 3 records tied at number one, this was not the full reason, that the BBC, joined forces with the BRITISH MARKET RESEARCH BUREAU in Feb 1969. The other reason, the Official chart started, was because there was known to be hyping going on in the other charts...there had been investigations, into BOB DYLAN`s songs always being higher in NME`s chart, and lots of other artists, were getting into the 31 - 50 part of MELODY MAKER`s charts that were not even sighted in others...singers like DAVID BOWIE and KIKI DEE smashed into MELODY MAKER`s TOP 50, but didn`t show elsewhere. Even JIMI HENDRIX was allegedlly pushed by NME. So, BRITISH MARKET RESEARCH BUREAU formed exclusively with the BBC, to give a more Official chart. But this was open to argument, for the first 3 weeks, of the new style chart, the MRS ROBINSON E.P. was excluded from the chart, when it should have been in the 21 - 30 slots!

If you compare the new Official chart of the week of 11th FEB 69, to the old BBC way, you get this difference...
new way
01 HALF AS NICE old way number 4
02 ALBATROSS old way 2
03 BLACKBERRY WAY old way 1
04 FOR ONCE IN MY LIFE old way 3
05 DANCING IN THE STREET old way 5
06 PLEASE DON`T GO old way 8
07 YOU GOT SOUL old way 7
08 I`M GONNA MAKE YOU LOVE ME old way 5
09 OB-LA-DI-OB-LA-DA old way 9
10 TO LOVE SOMEBODY old way 10
11 I GUESS I`LL ALWAYS LOVE YOU old way 13
12 WHERE DO YOU GO TO MY LOVE old way 11
13 FOX ON THE RUN old way 12
14 SOMETHINGS HAPPENING old way 14
15 WAY IT USED TO BE old way 17
16 I`LL PICK A ROSE FOR MY ROSE old way 15
16 HEY JUDE old way 24
18 STOP HER ON SIGHT old way 19
19 GOING UP THE COUNTRY old way 23
19 LILY THE PINK old way 22
21 PEOPLE old way 18
22 PRIVATE NUMBER old way 16
23 SOUL SISTER BROWN SUGAR old way 25
24 ITS TOO LATE NOW old way 30
25 QUICK JOEY SMALL old way 31
26 WICHITA LINEMAN old way 21
27 MOVE IN A LITTLE CLOSER old way 26
28 BUILD ME UP BUTTERCUP old way 28
29 YOU AINT LIVIN TIL YOUR LOVIN` old way 26=
30 WHITE ROOM old way 36
In the old way the MRS ROBINSON E.P. would have been number 20, and SON OF A PREACHER MAN would have been 29.
There wasn`t that much difference towards the Top 15, really. The MOVE though were denied a BBC number one, because of the changes. It was a faster chart though and, nearly a week in front of NME and MELODY MAKER, the BRITISH MARKET RESEARCH BUREAU lost the contract in Jan 83, to GALLUP, and GALLUP lost there contract in 1994 to MILWARD BROWN, who still compile the chart today.

Now, as RADIO ONE announced the new chart every Tuesday lunchtime (Wednesdays, if the Monday were a Bank Holiday)...how about the presenters that rundown that new chart...
3RD SEPT 67 - 26TH SEPT 72 ALAN FREEMAN did a rundown of the new top 30, at 12.30pm everyweek
3RD OCT 72 - DEC 72 TONY BLACKBURN rundown the new top 30 at 12.30 every week.
JAN 73 ONWARDS DAVE LEE TRAVIS played the complete new top 20 at 1pm every week. This didn`t last long!
SPRING 73 - 1976 JOHNNIE WALKER rundown the new chart, at 12.30pm(this moved to 12.45, when Radio one stated the news show..NEWSBEAT.
1977 - 1982 PAUL BURNETT run down the new chart at 12.45 every week
1982 - 1983 MIKE SMITH did the rundown at 12.45 every week
1984 - 1987 GARY DAVIES run down the chart (again at 12.30)

In the later part of the 70s PETER POWELL also re-capped the new chart between 6 and 7pm on a Tuesday evening..previously it had been re-capped on Wednesdays Breakfast show...and also, in the mid 80s, it was again re-capped in the Breakfast prog (but that followed the move in 87, of the new chart being announced on a Sunday evening. In the lunchtime slot, you always got to hear the complete brand new top 5, every week from 1973. During PAUL BURNETT`s reign on the lunchtime show, he also ran down the album chart on Wednesdays and the American chart on a Friday. On Mondays and Thursdays, he ran down a retro chart, from the vaults of Radio 0ne. During TOM BROWNE`s run of the TOP 20 on Sundays, PAUL BURNETT sat in for him for a week in June 74, and JOHNNIE WALKER did the Sunday TOP 20, for a week in early Sept 73.

There were a few mis-haps in the Tuesday rundowns...ON the 13th March 73, the wrong chart was delivered to the BBC and JOHNNIE ran down that, but it was corrected later. But although TOM BROWNE played the correct chart on the SUNDAY, when he did the re-cap before the number one, he again ran through, the wrong one, like JOHNNIE WALKER!

On the 17th Feb 76, again the wrong chart was delivered...PAUL BURNETT announced that RODRIGO`s GUITAR CONCERTO and MANUEL AND HIS MUSIC OF THE MOUNTAINS was number one! That was very incorrect! It was again corrected hours later!

On the 30th Oct 79, again the wrong chart was delivered, Paul announced that DR HOOK had knocked LENA MARTELL off the chart, again it was wrong and Lena, actually did have a 2nd week at the top (although the following week DR HOOK took over, anyway).

During the Sunday countdown these songs have been deemed too fithy/offensive to play...
BLACK GIRL - FOUR PENNIES
WET DREAM - MAX ROMEO
JE T`AIME - SERGE GAINSBOURG/JANE BIRKIN
GIVE IRELAND BACK TO THE IRISH - PAUL MCCARTNEY/WINGS
BIG SIX - JUDGE DREAD
BIG SEVEN - JUDGE DREAD
BIG EIGHT - JUDGE DREAD
SICK MAN BLUES - THE GOODIES
JE T`AIME - JUDGE DREAD
NAPPY LOVE - THE GOODIES
BIG TEN - JUDGE DREAD
CHRISTMAS IN DREADLAND - JUDGE DREAD
LOVE TO LOVE YOU BABY - DONNA SUMMER
MAGIC ROUNDABOUT - JASPER CARROT
Y VIVA SUSPENDERS - JUDGE DREAD
THE WINKERS SONG - IVOR BIGGUN
GOD SAVE THE QUEEN - SEX PISTOLS
NO ONE IS INNOCENT/MY WAY - SEX PISTOLS
FRIGGIN` IN THE RIGGIN` - SEX PISTOLS
TOO DRUNK TO F**K - DEAD KENNEDYS
RELAX - FRANKIE GOES TO HOLLYWOOD
I WANT YOUR SEX - GEORGE MICHAEL
THERE AIN`T NOTHING LIKE SHAGGING - THE TAMS
SMACK MY b**ch UP - PRODIGY

There is controversy over the TAMS because it was from a film, about a U.S. dance called the shag. During announcing a banned record the presenter would say, "We do not intend playing this record, due to the nature of the lyric". In 1989, while FRENCH KISS was in the chart, by LIL` LOUIS, radio one, never ever played the full version, because it has loads, of heavy breathing at the end of it. Also, the beginnings of records, SEX CRIME 1984 by the EURYTHMICS, and the I FEEL LOVE medley by BRONSKI BEAT/MARC ALMOND were cut due to the nature of/or references to sex.

Also to note, during DAVID JACOBS run on Pick Of The Pops in 1958, he never actually played the top 20 hit by Jackie Dennis "La Dee Dah"...why that was, who knows?

According to Radio One`s countdown (but not in chart books) these records tied in the chart between 1969 and 1979...
9TH DEC 69 JOINT 14 NOBODYS CHILD and TRACY
23RD OCT 73 JOINT 29 HIGHER GROUND and I`VE BEEN HURT
4TH JUN 74 JOINT 17 I CANT STOP and THE JARROW SONG
9TH DEC 75 JOINT 16 I BELIEVE IN FATHER CHRISTMAS and IN FOR A PENNY
19TH OCT 76 JOINT 11 CANT GET BY WITHOUT YOU and I`LL MEET YOU AT MIDNIGHT
There are others, but those above have been missed by the chart books available today!!!


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20TH APR 61 ARE YOU SURE - ALLISONS

I remember this track was not the #1 single in the Guiness Book, was that due to the new rules, that cropped up that week.
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A great read with lots of interesting info (not at all biast towards the end lol....)

I'd be interested to know how the BBC charts were actually worked out in the early days.
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QUOTE(M!key @ Oct 24 2007, 10:33 PM) *
20TH APR 61 ARE YOU SURE - ALLISONS

I remember this track was not the #1 single in the Guiness Book, was that due to the new rules, that cropped up that week.


The change of compilation date didn`t alter the position, DEREK CHINNERY(BBC producer/chart compiler just began to request the NME, MELODY MAKER and DISC charts earlier. This was due to the fact that, sometimes PICK OF THE POPS was recorded on a Thursday/Friday, and the charts/music press were all available on Thursdays anyway. The RECORD RETAILER chart did not figure in the BBC`s averaged equation until 29th March 1962, even when it did, some mathematical guess work, had to be put into practice because RECORD RETAILER excluded EPs and LPs from their main singles chart, and the BBC wanted them all in one. ARE YOU SURE and the ALLISONS made it to number one, in DISC and MELODY MAKER, thus it was a BBC number one too, adding up to 4points that week, while ELVIS and WOODEN HEART was on 5points, so he became the weeks number 2. I will explain the "points" system later in the thread, its complexed sometimes! The lowest amount of points makes the number one! On sales the number 1 AND 2 that week must have been very close, anyway...because ELVIS went back to the top, on the 27th Apr 61.

Derek explained that averaging the charts, "means when you take 3 or 4 published charts, and add them together, it means you are taking into account over 250 - 300 shops sales figures that equals, a pretty damn accurate and fairer top 20". Had Derek, also been using RECORD MIRROR that week, the ALLISONS would have been further ahead, of ELVIS, but from 21st May 60, RECORD MIRROR`s compilation, and publication date, made it impossible for Derek to include. He didn`t use any RECORD RETAILER`s charts before 62, because it was just a business paper, and only sampled no more than 25+ shops, and was very much way behind all the other charts. At one point (from around 1968, Denys Jones(another producer compiler) had thought about using MELODY MAKER`s charts, on their own, (MM had the biggest sample of shops, then 150+ every week) but later, of course the BBC join forces with the BRITISH MARKET RESEARCH BUREAU, and pulled in nearly 500+ shops
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QUOTE(abc1 @ Oct 25 2007, 11:34 PM) *
This is just brilliant info, that has never been talked about anywhere else. It seems that too many people, have followed the GUINESS book, in the 50s and 60s, but for those years, its really a load of speculation. Wonder why they didn`t put the bbc charts in there? Any chance of going further, with number ones beyond 1957?

It is possible to list an averaged list of number ones from 1955 onwards. Which I will do, as the BRITISH FORCES BROADCASTING NETWORK did from the Spring of 1956, beating the BBC by 18 months!! So, hang around!! Why didn`t GUINESS put the BBC chart in the books? No idea!! Actually, they should do a book, that includes the positions of records, for all the published charts between 1952 - 1969...and even delve back to the sheet music charts, that were around in Britain, even before the war!!


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QUOTE(abc1 @ Oct 25 2007, 11:34 PM) *
This is just brilliant info, that has never been talked about anywhere else. It seems that too many people, have followed the GUINESS book, in the 50s and 60s, but for those years, its really a load of speculation. Wonder why they didn`t put the bbc charts in there? Any chance of going further, with number ones beyond 1957?

Here then are the "missing" averaged number ones 1955 - 1957...
8TH JAN 55 FINGER OF SUSPICION - DICKIE VALENTINE
22ND/29TH JAN 55 FINGER OF SUSPICION (tie with MAMBO ITALIANO - ROSEMARY CLOONEY)
5TH FEB 55 MAMBO ITALIANO - ROSEMARY CLOONEY
19TH FEB 55 SOFTLY SOFTLY - RUBY MURRAY
19TH MAR 55 GIVE ME YOUR WORD - TENNESSEE ERNIE FORD
30TH APR 55 GIVE ME YOUR WORD (tie with CHARRY PINK AND APPLE BLOSSOM WHITE - PEREZ PRADO)
7TH MAY 55 STRANGER IN PARADISE/TAKE ME BACK AGAIN - TONY BENNETT
11TH JUN 55 CHERRY PINK AND APPLE BLOSSOM WHITE - EDDIE CALVERT
25TH JUN 55 UNCHAINED MELODY - AL HIBBLER
9TH JUL 55 UNCHAINED MELODY AL HIBBLER (tie with UNCHAINED MELODY - JIMMY YOUNG and DREAMBOAT - ALMA COGAN)
16TH JUL 55 DREAMBOAT - ALMA COGAN
30TH JUL 55 ROSE MARIE - SLIM WHITMAN
8TH OCT 55 THE MAN FROM LARAMIE - JIMMY YOUNG
12TH NOV 55 ROCK AROUND THE CLOCK - BILL HALEY/COMETS
24TH DEC 55 CHRISTMAS ALPHABET - DICKIE VALENTINE
7TH JAN 56 ROCK AROUND THE CLOCK - BILL HALEY/COMETS
14TH JAN 56 ROCK AROUND THE CLOCK (tie with SIXTEEN TONS - TENNESSEE ERNIE FORD going from 14 - 1)
21ST JAN 56 SIXTEEN TONS - TENNESSEE ERNIE FORD
18TH FEB 56 MEMORIES ARE MADE OF THIS - DEAN MARTIN
25TH FEB 56 MEMORIES ARE MADE OF THIS (tie with ZAMBESI - LOU BUSCH)
3RD MAR 56 MEMORIES ARE MADE OF THIS - DEAN MARTIN
17TH MAR 56 IT`S ALMOST TOMORROW - DREAMWEAVERS
14TH APR 56 POOR PEOPLE OF PARIS - WINIFRED ATWELL
12TH MAY 56 NO OTHER LOVE - RONNIE HILTON
9TH JUN 56 NO OTHER LOVE (tie with I`LL BE HOME - PAT BOONE
16TH JUN 56 I`LL BE HOME - PAT BOONE
21ST JUL 56 WHY DO FOOLS FALL IN LOVE - FRANKIE LYMON/TEENAGERS
11TH AUG 56 WHATEVER WILL BE WILL BE - DORIS DAY
22ND SEP 56 LAY DOWN YOUR HANDS - ANNE SHELTON
20TH OCT 56 A WOMAN IN LOVE - FRANKIE LAINE
17TH NOV 56 JUST WALKING IN THE RAIN - JOHNNY RAY
5TH JAN 57 SINGING THE BLUES - GUY MITCHELL
26TH JAN 57 SINGING THE BLUES - GUY MITCHELL (tie with THE GARDEN OF EDEN - FRANKIE VAUGHAN)

TOMMY STEELE`s version of SINGING THE BLUES only made number 2, on an averaged chart.

2ND FEB 57 THE GARDEN OF EDEN - FRANKIE VAUGHAN
23RD FEB 57 YOUNG LOVE - TAB HUNTER
13TH APR 57 CUMBERLAND GAP - LONNIE DONEGAN (went from 6 - 1)
18TH MAY 57 BUTTERFLY - ANDY WILLIAMS
8TH JUN 57 YES TONIGHT JOSEPHINE - JOHNNY RAY
6TH JUL 57 PUTTIN` ON THE STYLE/GAMBLIN` MAN - LONNIE DONEGAN
13TH JUL 57 ALL SHOOK UP - ELVIS PRESLEY (his first number one)
31ST AUG 57 DIANA - PAUL ANKA (went from 5 - 1)

It has to be said, that the Sheet Music charts, were more popular to singles, until around 1956. RADIO LUXEMBOURG, didn`t start to play the record charts, until January 1960, when they played NME`s top 20. RADIO CAROLINE played the top 50 MELODY MAKER chart from April 64 onwards. No stations even bothered with the RECORD RETAILER chart (with the lowest number of shops, polled).

DIANA by PAUL ANKA was the first million seller of the 50s. Only two records in the 40s surpassed 900,000 copie, these were WHITE CHRISTMAS - BING CROSBY, in 1942 and THE HARRY LIME THEME - ANTON KARAS, in 1949. Since 1942, BING CROSBY has sold around 1.2million copies of WHITE CHRISTMAS, but the exact number of sales is hard to assertain. YOURS by VERA LYNN would have been the second biggest seller of 1942, behind BING.

Previous to the 40s, these recordings, are said to have sold just under 900,000 copies...
OH FOR THE WINGS OF A DOVE - ERNEST LOUGH (in 1927)
COHEN ON THE TELEPHONE - JOE HAYMAN (in 1914)
LAUGHING SONG - BERT SHEPARD (in 1910)

Biggest selling albums before 1956, are all provided by MANTOVANI, with four million selling L.P`s in 3 years!!!


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A great story Trevs happy.gif As a person that has a collection of more than 1 year of the chat show, I must admit reading all this facts made me travel into time wub.gif Cheers mate! xox.
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The detailed info on the 50's and 60's is absolutely incredible Trevs - is some of this from memory? (I know what you've said on the 70's is spot on!!) V interesting to me that Mrs Robinson ep would have had one more week in the 20 had the chart basis not changed when it did. For about 6 months, the BMRB top 40 had at laest one tie position in it, they should have applied tie-breaking by looking at sales movement (as was done before and after). When was the chart of the year first done properly using sales (albeit with a 3 week early cut-off - was it 1970?) The points systems ones I've seen for the 60's are dreadful - because Can't By Me Love, 1964's top seller, sold like hotcakes over a very short period of time, it didn't even make the Top 20! (I'm a Tom Browne fan - see my site at listen.to/uktopforty)
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As I noticed our very good friend Mykka, has updated the number 2s recently, I thought, why don`t I list the number 2s from the original BBC charts? So, here are the records that only made number 2, on the PICK OF THE POPS/TOP OF THE POPS charts, from 1957 - 1969...

05TH OCT 57 LAST TRAIN TO SAN FERNANDO - JOHNNY DUNCAN/BLUE GRASS BOYS
22ND OCT 57 LOVE LETTERS IN THE SAND/BERNADINE - PAT BOONE
02ND NOV 57 LET`S HAVE A PARTY/GOT A LOT OF LIVIN` TO DO - ELVIS PRESLEY
30TH NOV 57 BE MY GIRL - JIM DALE
07TH DEC 57 WAKE UP LITTLE SUSIE - EVERLY BROTHERS
29TH MAR 58 DON` T/I BEG OF YOU - ELVIS PRESLEY
03RD MAY 58 SWINGIN` SHEPHERD BLUES/TEQUILA - TED HEATH
17TH MAY 58 A WONDERFUL TIME UP THERE(GOSPEL BOOGIE)/IT`S TOO SOON TO KNOW - PAT BOONE
07TH JUN 58 TOM HARK - ELIAS AND HIS ZIG ZAG JIVE FLUTES
28TH JUN 58 ON THE STREET WHERE YOU LIVE - VIC DAMONE
19TH JUL 58 BIG MAN - FOUR PREPS
02ND AUG 58 HARD HEADED WOMAN - ELVIS PRESLEY
06TH SEPT 58 RETURN TO ME - DEAN MARTIN
04TH OCT 58 VOLARE - DEAN MARTIN
18TH OCT 58 KING CREOLE - ELVIS PRESLEY
15TH NOV 58 IT`S ALL IN THE GAME - TOMMY EDWARDS
17TH JAN 59 THE DAY THE RAINS CAME - JANE MORGAN
24TH JAN 59 TO HIM IS TO LOVE HIM - TEDDY BEARS
31ST JAN 59 BABY FACE - LITTLE RICHARD
11TH JUL 59 BATTLE OF NEW ORLEANS - LONNIE DONEGAN
17TH OCT 59 MACK THE KNIFE - BOBBY DARIN 6WKS AT 2
06TH FEB 60 A VOICE IN THE WILDERNESS - CLIFF RICHARD
09TH APR 60 FALL IN LOVE WITH YOU/WILLIE AND THE HAND JIVE - CLIFF RICHARD
16TH APR 60 STUCK ON YOU - ELVIS PRESLY
14TH MAY 60 SOMEONE ELSE`S BABY - ADAM FAITH
28TH MAY 60 CRADLE OF LOVE - JOHNNY PRESTON
25TH JUN 60 MAMA/ROBOT MAN - CONNIE FRANCIS
02ND JUL 60 THREE STEPS TO HEAVEN - EDDIE COCHRAN
06TH AUG 60 SHAKIN` ALL OVER - JOHNNY KIDD/PIRATES
13TH AUG 60 MESS OF BLUES/GIRL OF MY BEST FRIEND - ELVIS PRESLEY
10TH SEPT 60 BECAUSE THEY`RE YOUNG - DUANE EDDY
29TH OCT 60 AS LONG HAS HE NEEDS ME - SHIRLEY BASSEY
26TH NOV 60 SAVE THE LAST DANCE FOR ME - DRIFTERS
17TH DEC 60 I LOVE YOU - CLIFF RICHARD 5WKS AT 2
11TH FEB 61 SAILOR - PETULA CLARK 4WKS AT 2
21ST SEPT 61 WILD IN THE COUNTRY/I FEEL SO BAD - ELVIS PRESLEY
28TH SEPT 61 KON-TIKI - SHADOWS
19TH OCT 61 WILD WIND - JOHN LEYTON
04TH JAN 62 LET THERE BE DRUMS - SANDY NELSON
25TH JAN 62 I`D NEVER FIND ANOTHER YOU - BILLY FURY
01ST FEB 62 LET`S TWIST AGAIN - CHUBBY CHECKER
22ND MAR 62 TELL ME WHAT HE SAID - HELEN SHAPIRO 3WKS AT 2
12TH APR 62 DREAM BABY - ROY ORBISON
26TH APR 62 HEY BABY - BRUCE CHANNEL
31ST MAY 62 I`M LOOKING OUT THE WINDOW/DO YOU WANNA DANCE - CLIFF RICHARD 3WKS AT 2
02ND AUG 62 SPEEDY GONZALES - PAT BOONE 5WKS AT 2
06TH SEPT 62 THINGS - BOBBY DARIN
20TH SEPT 62 IT`LL BE ME - CLIFF RICHARD
11TH OCT 62 SHEILA - TOMMY ROE
18TH OCT 62 THE LOCO-MOTION - LITTLE EVA 3WKS AT 2
01ST NOV 62 LET`S DANCE - CHRIS MONTEZ 6WKS AT 2
14TH FEB 63 WAYWARD WIND - FRANK IFIELD 3WKS AT 2
11TH APR 63 FROM A JACK TO A KING - NED MILLER
16TH MAY 63 SCARLET O` HARA - JET HARRIS/TONY MEEHAN
20TH JUN 63 IF YOU GOTTA MAKE A FOOL OF SOMEBODY - FREDDIE AND THE DREAMERS
04TH JUL 63 ATLANTIS - SHADOWS
18TH JUL 63 DEVIL IN DISGUISE - ELVIS PRESLEY
29TH AUG 63 I`M TELLING YOU NOW - FREDDIE AND THE DREAMERS
19TH SEPT 63 IT`S ALL IN THE GAME - CLIFF RICHARD
10TH OCT 63 THEN HE KISSED ME - CRYSTALS
14TH NOV 63 SUGAR AND SPICE - SEARCHERS
28TH NOV 63 DON`T TALK TO HIM - CLIFF RICHARD
5TH DEC 63 YOU WERE MADE FOR ME - FREDDIE AND THE DREAMERS
14TH JAN 64 HIPPY HIPPY SHAKE - SWINGING BLUE JEANS 3WKS AT 2
04TH FEB 64 I`M THE ONE - GERRY AND THE PACEMAKERS
25TH FEB 64 DIANE - BACHELORS
03RD MAR 64 BITS AND PIECES - DAVE CLARK FIVE
23RD APR 64 I BELIEVE - BACHELORS
05TH MAY 64 MY BOY LOLLIPOP - MILLIE
23RD JUN 64 SOMEONE SOMEONE - BRIAN POOLE/TREMOLOES
07TH JUL 64 IT`S ALL OVER NOW - ROLLING STONES 4WKS AT 2
22ND SEPT 64 RAG DOLL - FOUR SEASONS
29TH SEPT 64 WHERE DID OUR LOVE GO - SUPREMES
17TH NOV 64 ALL DAY AND ALL OF THE NIGHT - KINKS
24TH NOV 64 LITTLE RED ROOSTER - ROLLING STONES
08TH DEC 64 I`M GONNA BE STRONG - GENE PITNEY 3WKS AT 2
23RD FEB 65 GAME OF LOVE - WAYNE FONTANA/MINDBENDERS
23RD MAR 65 SILHOUETTES - HERMAN`S HERMITS
06TH APR 65 THE MINUTE YOU`RE GONE - CLIFF RICHARD 3WKS AT 2
27TH APR 65 KING OF THE ROAD - ROGER MILLER 3WKS AT 2
11TH MAY 65 WORLD OF OUR OWN - SEEKERS 3WKS AT 2
15TH JUN 65 THE PRICE OF LOVE - EVERLY BROTHERS
13TH JUL 65 HEART FULL OF SOUL - YARDBIRDS
03RD AUG 65 YOU`VE GOT YOUR TROUBLES - FORTUNES 3WKS AT 2
05TH OCT 65 IF YOU GOTTA GO GO NOW - MANFRED MANN
12TH OCT 65 ALMOST THERE - ANDY WILLIAMS
09TH NOV 65 YESTERDAY MAN - CHRIS ANDREWS
23RD NOV 65 1-2-3 - LEN BARRY
30TH NOV 65 MY GENERATION - WHO
28TH DEC 65 THE RIVER - KEN DODD
08TH FEB 66 YOU WERE ON MY MIND - CHRISPIAN ST. PETERS
08TH MAR 66 GROOVY KIND OF LOVE - MINBENDERS
15TH MAR 66 I CAN`T LET GO - HOLLIES 3WKS AT 2
26TH APR 66 BANG BANG - CHER
10TH MAY 66 DAYDREAM - LOVIN` SPOONFUL
17TH MAY 66 SLOOP JOHN B - BEACH BOYS
24TH MAY 66 WILD THING - TROGGS
12TH JUL 66 NOBODY NEEDS YOUR LOVE - GENE PITNEY
26TH JUL 66 BLACK IS BLACK - LOS BRAVOS
23RD AUG 66 GOD ONLY KNOWS - BEACH BOYS
27TH SEPT 66 I`M A BOY - WHO
11TH OCT 66 BEND IT - DAVE DEE, DOZY, BEAKY, MICK AND TICH
25TH OCT 66 I CAN`T CONTROL MYSELF - TROGGS
01ST NOV 66 STOP STOP STOP - HOLLIES
15TH NOV 66 SEMI-DETACHED SURBURBAN MR JAMES - MANFRED MANN
22ND NOV 66 GIMME SOME LOVIN` - SPENCER DAVIS GROUP
06TH DEC 66 WHAT WOULD I BE - VAL DOONICAN
20TH DEC 66 MORNINGTOWN RIDE - SEEKERS 3WKS AT 2
10TH JAN 67 SUNSHINE SUPERMAN - DONOVAN
24TH JAN 67 MATTHEW AND SON - CAT STEVENS
07TH FEB 67 LET`S SPEND THE NIGHT TOGETHER/RUBY TUESDAY - ROLLING STONES
28TH FEB 67 PENNY LANE/STRAWBERRY FIELDS FOREVER - BEATLES 3WKS AT 2
21ST MAR 67 EDELWEISS - VINCE HILL
28TH MAR 67 THIS IS MY SONG - HARRY SECOMBE
16TH MAY 67 DEDICATED TO THE ONE I LOVE - MAMAS AND PAPAS
23RD MAY 67 WATERLOO SUNSET - KINKS
13TH JUN 67 THERE GOES MY EVERYTHING - ENGLEBERT HUMPERDINCK 4WKS AT 2
11TH JUL 67 ALTERNATE TITLE - MONKEES
22ND AUG 67 I`LL NEVER FALL IN LOVE AGAIN - TOM JONES 4WKS AT 2
19TH SEPT 67 EXCERPT FROM A TEENAGE OPERA - KEITH WEST
03RD OCT 67 FLOWERS IN THE RAIN - MOVE
14TH NOV 67 ZABADAK - DAVE DEE, DOZY, BEAKY, MICK AND TICH
28TH NOV 67 EVERYBODY KNOWS - DAVE CLARK FIVE
19TH DEC 67 IF THE WHOLE WORLD STOPPED LOVIN` - VAL DOONICAN
02ND JAN 68 MAGICAL MYSTERY TOUR E.P. - BEATLES
16TH JAN 68 WALK AWAY RENEE - FOUR TOPS
30TH JAN 68 AM I THAT EASY TO FORGET - ENGLEBERT HUMPERDINCK
05TH MAR 68 LEGEND OF XANADU - DAVE DEE, DOZY, BEAKY, MICK AND TICH 3WKS AT 2
26TH MAR 68 DELILAH - TOM JONES
30TH APR 68 SIMON SAYS - 1910 FRUITGUM COMPANY
07TH MAY 68 LAZY SUNDAY - SMALL FACES
21ST MAY 68 HONEY - BOBBY GOLDSBORO 3WKS AT 2
09TH JUL 68 SON OF HICKORY HOLLER`S TRAMP - O.C. SMITH
23RD JUL 68 I PRETEND - DES O` CONNER
06TH AUG 68 FIRE - CRAZY WORLD OF ARTHUR BROWN 3WKS AT 2
08TH OCT 68 JESAMINE - CASUALS
12TH NOV 68 ELOISE - BARRY RYAN 3WKS AT 2
17TH DEC 68 AIN`T GOT NO-I GOT LIFE - NINASIMONE
31ST DEC 68 BUILD ME UP BUTTERCUP - FOUNDATIONS
04TH FEB 68 BLACKBERRY WAY - MOVE

The poor MOVE not getting a BBC number one, because of the decision to join up with the BRITISH MARKET RESEARCH BUREAU, on the 11th Feb 1969.

That`s the BBC number 2s. Maybe I might go on to the number 3s, at some point...then work all the way through to the BBC number 30s, then we have a full list of hits, that ever made the BBC/RADIO ONE chart!










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Just for clarification, we have already explained that the Official Chart started, when DEREK CHINNERY etc, formed an alliance with the BRITISH MARKET RESEARCH BUREAU, in 1969 (when Record Retailer, also put some money in) to begin a more accurate chart on 11th Feb 69. There is no point of talking about official charts before 1969, when there wasn`t one (it just happened to be that the GUINESS Team, JO RICE, TIM RICE and PAUL GAMBACCINI just decided to use Record Retailer from 1960, because it`s chart used a top 50, when all the others at the time, were only using a top 20, or 30. So, I am not going to enter, into an argument, about non-existent official charts. It`s surposed to be a thread on BBC Charts, after all.

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