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  17th December 2009, 12:24 PM
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This story revealed is quite revolting. What a sick man he is. R
Wikipedia & his history Peter Britton Tobin (born 27 August 1946) is a convicted British serial killer and sex offender serving a sentence of life imprisonment with a recommended full life tariff after being convicted of the murders of three young women. Prior to his first murder conviction, Tobin served ten years in prison for a double rape committed in 1993, following which he was released in 2004. In 2007 he was sentenced to life with a minimum of 21 years for the rape and murder of Angelika Kluk in Glasgow in 2006. Skeletal remains of two further young women who went missing in 1991 were subsequently found at his former home in Margate. Tobin was convicted of the murder of Vicky Hamilton in December 2008, when his minimum sentence was increased to 30 years, and of the murder of Dinah McNicol in December 2009. He is now being investigated for other unsolved cases of murder dating back to the 1960s. Contents * 1 Early and personal life * 2 Convictions o 2.1 Rape of juveniles o 2.2 Angelika Kluk murder o 2.3 Vicky Hamilton murder * 3 Further cases o 3.1 Dinah McNicol murder * 4 References Early and personal life Tobin was born in Johnstone, Renfrewshire. Aged seven, he was sent to an approved school. He later spent time in a young offender institution, and later served jail terms for burglary, forgery and conspiracy. All his three marriages ended in divorce. He has two sons, one from his second marriage, one from his third. His daughter, who was from his second marriage, is dead.[ Convictions Rape of juveniles In 1993, Tobin attacked two 14-year old girls babysitting his son at his flat in Havant, Hampshire, England. After holding them at knifepoint and forcing them to drink strong cider and vodka, he sexually assaulted and raped them. To avoid arrest, Tobin went on the run and hid in a religious retreat in Warwickshire under a false name, but he was recognised and arrested after appearing on the BBC Crimewatch programme In 1994, at Winchester Crown Court, Tobin pleaded guilty and received a 14-year prison sentence. He was released in 2004, and moved to Paisley in Renfrewshire. [edit] Angelika Kluk murder Main article: Angelika Kluk murder case Mergefrom.svg It has been suggested that Angelika Kluk murder case be merged into this article or section. (Discuss) In September 2006, Tobin was working as a church handyman at St. Patrick's Roman Catholic Church in Anderston, Glasgow. He had assumed the name "Pat McLaughlin" to avoid detection, as he was still on the Violent and Sex Offender Register following his 1994 convictions for rape and assault. An arrest warrant was issued for him in November 2005 after he moved from Paisley without notifying the police, but he was not discovered until he became a suspect in a murder case at the church. In May 2007, he received a further 30-month sentence for breaching the terms of the register. Angelika Kluk was a 23-year-old student from Skoczow, near Krakow in Poland. She was staying at the chapel house of St Patrick's Church, where she worked as a cleaner to help finance her Scandinavian Studies course at University of Gdańsk. She was last seen alive in the company of Tobin on 24 September 2006, and is thought to have been attacked by him in the garage attached to St Patrick's chapel house. She was beaten, raped, and stabbed to death, then her body was concealed in an underground chamber beneath the floor near the confessional in the church. Forensic evidence suggested that she was still alive when she was placed under the floorboards. Police found her body on 29 September, and Tobin was arrested in London shortly afterwards. He had been admitted to hospital under a false name, and with a fictitious complaint. A six-week trial resulted from the evidence gathered under the supervision of Detective Superintendent David Swindle of Strathclyde Police and took place at the High Court of Justiciary, Edinburgh, between 23 March and 4 May 2007. The trial judge was Lord Menzies, the prosecution was led by Advocate Depute Dorothy Bain, and the defence by Donald Findlay QC.Tobin denied raping and murdering Kluk and claimed she had consented to have sex with him. Tobin was found guilty of raping and murdering Kluk and was sentenced to life imprisonment, to serve a minimum of 21 years. In sentencing Tobin, Judge Lord Menzies described him as "an evil man". [Vicky Hamilton murder In June 2007, Tobin's home in early 1991 in Bathgate, West Lothian was searched by police in connection with the disappearance of a 15-year-old girl, Vicky Hamilton, who was last seen on 10 February 1991 as she waited for a bus home to Redding, near Falkirk. She had been visiting her older sister, Sharon, in Livingston and was waiting to change buses in Bathgate. The last sighting of her was as she was eating chips on a bench in the town centre. Tobin is believed to have left the town for Margate in Kent, a few weeks after her disappearance. On 21 July 2007, Lothian and Borders Police released a statement that they had "arrested, cautioned and charged a male in connection with the matter and a report has been submitted to the Procurator Fiscal", but did not immediately confirm the identity of the man arrested. The investigation later led to a forensic search of a house in Southsea, Hampshire in early October 2007, where Tobin is believed to have lived shortly after leaving Bathgate. On 14 November 2007, Lothian and Borders Police confirmed that human remains found in the back garden of 50 Irvine Drive,[ a house in Margate, Kent occupied by Tobin in 1991, were those of Hamilton.[ After a month-long trial, Tobin was convicted of Hamilton's murder on 2 December 2008 at the High Court in Dundee. Tobin was again defended by Donald Findlay QC and the prosecution was led by the Solicitor General for Scotland, Frank Mulholland QC. The prosecution case went beyond the circumstance of Tobin having lived at the two houses in Bathgate and Margate in 1991, and consisted of eyewitness testimony of suspicious behaviour by Tobin at the Bathgate house,evidence to destroy his alibi,and forensic evidence of DNA and fingerprints left on a dagger found in the Bathgate house, on Hamilton's purse and on the sheeting in which her body was wrapped. When sentencing Tobin to life imprisonment, the judge, Lord Emslie, said: "You stand convicted of the truly evil abduction and murder of a vulnerable young girl in 1991 and thereafter of attempting to defeat the ends of justice in various ways over an extended period... Yet again you have shown yourself to be unfit to live in a decent society. It is hard for me to convey the loathing and revulsion that ordinary people will feel for what you have done... I fix the minimum period which you must spend in custody at 30 years. Had it been open to me I would have made that period run consecutive to the 21 year custodial period that you are already serving." On 11 December 2008, Tobin gave formal notice to court officials that he intended to challenge the guilty verdict and overturn the prison sentence imposed on him. Tobin's defence team was not required to describe the grounds for this appeal until a later date in the appeals process. Tobin did not proceed with his appeal, and it was dropped in March 2009. Further cases Dinah McNicol murder Dinah McNicol, an 18-year old sixth former from Tillingham, Essex, was last seen alive on 5 August 1991, hitchhiking home with a male companion from a music festival at Liphook, Hampshire. He was dropped off at Junction 8 of the M25, near Reigate, and she stayed in the car with the driver. She was never seen again. After her disappearance, regular withdrawals of £250 were made from her building society account at cash machines in the UK south coast counties of Hampshire and Sussex, out of character for McNicol, who had told friends and family she intended to use the money in her building society account to travel or further her education. In late 2007, Essex Police reopened the investigation into her disappearance following new leads.[26] On 16 November 2007, a second body was found at 50 Irvine Drive in Margate, later confirmed by police to be that of Dinah McNicol. On 1 September 2008, the Crown Prosecution Service served a summons on Tobin's solicitors, formally accusing him of Dinah McNicol's murder, and this trial began in June 2009. The trial was postponed and the jury discharged in July 2009, the judge ruling that Tobin was not fit to stand trial pending surgery. The case resumed on 14 December 2009 at Chelmsford Crown Court. On 16 December 2009, after the defence had offered no evidence, a jury found Tobin guilty of Dinah McNicol's murder after deliberating for less than fifteen minutes and Tobin subsequently received his third life sentence, with a recommendation by the judge that he serve a full life term. Police are now reopening 'Operation Anagram', to trace Tobin's past movements and his possible involvement in any other unsolved crimes. Tobin is reported to have claimed 48 victims in boasts made in prison. http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive...280_669109a.jpg |
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17th December 2009, 02:31 PM
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dunno why he bothered pleating innocent... he clearly isnt. i wonder what drives people to behave in such an evil manner...
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17th December 2009, 06:01 PM
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Given the fact that the jury took just 13 minutes to convict him (close to a record time), it does seem like he should have been advised to plead guilty.
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17th December 2009, 06:36 PM
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He is one reason why the death penalty should be brought back. Hang the bast*rd. Millions spent on keeping the tosser in prison for the rest of his life. Just string the sod up and let's all throw stones at him.
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17th December 2009, 07:29 PM
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QUOTE(Victor Meldrew @ Dec 17 2009, 06:36 PM)  He is one reason why the death penalty should be brought back. Hang the bast*rd. Millions spent on keeping the tosser in prison for the rest of his life. Just string the sod up and let's all throw stones at him. Yeah, that will really help the investigation into whether there are any more victims won't it? Arguing in favour of the death penalty is pointless. There is no chance of it happenning. You might as well campaign for the abolition of Thursdays. |
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17th December 2009, 07:36 PM
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QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Dec 17 2009, 07:29 PM) Yeah, that will really help the investigation into whether there are any more victims won't it? Arguing in favour of the death penalty is pointless. There is no chance of it happenning. You might as well campaign for the abolition of Thursdays. It won't happen only because it's left to a free MP vote. If it was a public referendum then we'd vote for it's return. |
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17th December 2009, 07:40 PM
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QUOTE(Victor Meldrew @ Dec 17 2009, 07:36 PM) It won't happen only because it's left to a free MP vote. If it was a public referendum then we'd vote for it's return. I wouldn't be so sure. If it was held tomorrow following this case the vote may well be in favour. On the other hand, if it was held immediately after the case where an innocent man was released after over 20 years in prison, the vote would probably be very different. But as there is no chance of a referendum, it's irrelevant anyway. |
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19th December 2009, 01:47 AM
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I had the chance to go and see the trail in Dundee.
One of my flatmates was supposed to be going. not sure if she did or not. Sometimes living with Lawyers has it's 'perks'. I didn't even realise they were holding the trail in Scumdee till it was nearly over. Hopefully they'll accidentally misplace his cell key in a landfill 
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19th December 2009, 12:34 PM
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QUOTE(Victor Meldrew @ Dec 17 2009, 06:36 PM) He is one reason why the death penalty should be brought back. Hang the bast*rd. Millions spent on keeping the tosser in prison for the rest of his life. Just string the sod up and let's all throw stones at him. Well, if that's the criteria we'll be going by, we should be sentencing bone idle dolies like you to death then.....  Seriously though... There were very good reasons why the Death Sentence was abolished, cases such as Derek Bentley and Ruth Ellis being two in point... And, dear Chris, if you had the Death Penalty the amount of people who have now been PROVEN to be innocent in the past 30 years is utterly staggering (the Guildford Four, The Birmingham Six, The Maguires, Barry George, Stefan Kisko, Angela Cannings to name but a few infamous cases, but there are many, MANY more)... That's a LOT of innocent blood on the hands of the State if they'd've been sentenced to hang...... And before someone says "oh, but we'll only bring it back in cases where guilt is certain...", yeah, you can really put the Genie back in the bottle once you let it out cant you.....? And who's to say what's "certain" and what isn't ...? People talk about this "DNA evidence" as if it's 100% infallible... It's NOT, the whole matter surrounding SECONDARY TRANSFER actually puts that assuption in dispute.... So, it's really not that much more reliable than the forensic tests which got the Guildford Four sent down... |
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19th December 2009, 12:48 PM
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What bothers me is the fact he was let out of prison after his ten year sentence for rape as far as I am concerned that was way too lenient of a sentence, they were clearly aware what this man was capable of if he was put away for that long initially.
It really is quite disturbing how many murders this man has potentially commited. I definetely do not agree with the death penalty why should these murderers get off the easy way. Although they should live in much worse conditions than the cosy life in prison. |
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19th December 2009, 02:02 PM
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QUOTE(Berty @ Dec 19 2009, 12:48 PM) I definetely do not agree with the death penalty why should these murderers get off the easy way. Although they should live in much worse conditions than the cosy life in prison. Give me the piece of paper to sign that gets the likes of Tobin a one-way ticket to a Medieval-style dungeon being fed a bowl of gruel a day, and I'll gladly sign it....  |
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19th December 2009, 02:05 PM
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QUOTE(GRIMLY FIENDISH @ Dec 19 2009, 02:02 PM) Give me the piece of paper to sign that gets the likes of Tobin a one-way ticket to a Medieval-style dungeon being fed a bowl of gruel a day, and I'll gladly sign it.... Agree Scott. Anyone in jail should have as tough a life as possible. That should be no TV, DVD, music, books, snooker tables, nothing. They should be in cells 22 hours a day with the other time for exercise and meals. This country's the laughing stock of the world cos WE'RE SOFT. Apparently prisons in The Philippines are hell-holes and should be like that here. This post has been edited by Victor Meldrew: 19th December 2009, 02:08 PM |
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19th December 2009, 02:14 PM
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QUOTE(Victor Meldrew @ Dec 19 2009, 02:05 PM) Agree Scott. Anyone in jail should have as tough a life as possible. That should be no TV, DVD, music, books, snooker tables, nothing. They should be in cells 22 hours a day with the other time for exercise and meals. This country's the laughing stock of the world cos WE'RE SOFT. Apparently prisons in The Philippines are hell-holes and should be like that here. The laughing stock of the world? Who, precisely, is laughing at us? In any case, whilst there should be an element of retribution in punishment, the rehabilitative element should be far, far more prominent. Reoffending rates in places such as Norway and Sweden are miniscule because of the emphasis they put upon rehabilitation and turning criminals back into productive members of society... |
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19th December 2009, 02:30 PM
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QUOTE(LaTyrouxn @ Dec 19 2009, 02:14 PM) The laughing stock of the world? Who, precisely, is laughing at us? In any case, whilst there should be an element of retribution in punishment, the rehabilitative element should be far, far more prominent. Reoffending rates in places such as Norway and Sweden are miniscule because of the emphasis they put upon rehabilitation and turning criminals back into productive members of society... Someone like Tobin will never be a "productive member of society" mate.... I dont think he deserves any kind of decency or kind treatment.. His crimes are particularly heinous.... With all the best will in the world some people just cant be rehabilitated no matter what you do..... |
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19th December 2009, 03:22 PM
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QUOTE(GRIMLY FIENDISH @ Dec 19 2009, 02:30 PM) Someone like Tobin will never be a "productive member of society" mate.... I dont think he deserves any kind of decency or kind treatment.. His crimes are particularly heinous.... With all the best will in the world some people just cant be rehabilitated no matter what you do..... Whilst his crimes have been horrific, what is there to suggest that he cannot be rehabilitated? I would understand where you were coming from if there had been attempts at rehabilitation, and that they had failed, but if single murderers can be rehabilitated I don't see why we have to jump to the assumption that serial murderers cannot be? |
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19th December 2009, 05:37 PM
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QUOTE(Victor Meldrew @ Dec 19 2009, 02:05 PM) Agree Scott. Anyone in jail should have as tough a life as possible. That should be no TV, DVD, music, books, snooker tables, nothing. They should be in cells 22 hours a day with the other time for exercise and meals. This country's the laughing stock of the world cos WE'RE SOFT. Apparently prisons in The Philippines are hell-holes and should be like that here. And your evidence for your laughing stock comment is where exactly? That statement is utter rubbish. And if we're so soft then how come we have the largest prison population compared with the population in the EU? The only country in the developed world with a higher proportion of the population in prison is the USA. If prisoners were treated the way you and your fellow Sun readers seem to want, half the prison service would leave as prisons suddenly became far more dangerous places to work than they are now. Treat people with no respect and they will show no respect in return. And, of course, on release they would be just as ill-educated as they were before with an additional grudge against society. That makes them almost guaranteed to reoffend. Feel free to emigrate to the Philippines if you wish. |
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19th December 2009, 06:13 PM
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QUOTE(LaTyrouxn @ Dec 19 2009, 02:14 PM) The laughing stock of the world? Who, precisely, is laughing at us? In any case, whilst there should be an element of retribution in punishment, the rehabilitative element should be far, far more prominent. Reoffending rates in places such as Norway and Sweden are miniscule because of the emphasis they put upon rehabilitation and turning criminals back into productive members of society... Yes but why re-habilitate someone who's never ever going to come out of jail? Waste of resources. I agree with trying to rehabilitate burglars etc and anyone else who is going to be eventuslly released. |
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19th December 2009, 06:27 PM
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How can peter tobin be rehabilitated when he can't even admit to the crimes he has committed. There are many people out their who may never know what happened to their children as this man refuses to discuss anything about his crimes.
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19th December 2009, 06:56 PM
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The prison service is soft in the sense that the likes of him will be kept in solitary under Rule 34 which is something that should be abolished, get rid of solitary and make everyone mix with other prisoners, it would be good having him spend the rest of his days $h!tting himself about razor blades in his food, whether he is going to get stabbed through the eye with a pen or whatever but instead he will be shielded from all that thanks to Rule 34
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19th December 2009, 07:06 PM
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I honestly do believe there should be separate prisons for people who commit petty crimes like robbery without being violent or fraud. These people can be rehabilitated if given the correct guidance.
However people like tobin, ian huntly and that vile vannessa George women should all be put in prisons under the most grotesque conditions and should have to live a horrible life for the crimes they have committed. I can't imagine how bad it must have been when that girl was buried alive under floorboards, the thought doesn't even bare thinking about. |
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