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I don't have a specific article to post along with this; I just got into a pretty heated debated with a friend and I was curious as to the opinions of BJ members.

In general, should marijuana be legalized, yes or no (medical included)? And then, to take it further, should all drugs, such as ecstasy, mushrooms, cocaine, etc. be legalized?
Mushymanrob
mushrooms shouldnt be illegal, they are a naturally occuring fruit of the countryside like blackberries, nuts or 'edible' mushrooms are. theres no criminal connections.

its a difficult one, yes, you could remove the criminal fraternity out of the equasion and thus crime figures would drop. but would it work? having a state sponsored legal drugs system? im not so sure... because like the decriminalising of prostitution, there WOULD be a criminal underclass undercutting the 'official' legal trade. you get this already with cigarettes and alcohol. so if the legal drugs could be produced/sold cheaply enough then thats the only way to beat the criminals who wreek misery on thousands as adicts theive to fuel their adiction.

but what about the consequences of legal drugs? how could abuse and adiction be avoided? surely if cheap drugs were widely available there would be more adicts.

this aint an easy thing to answer
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It's definitely true that it's a tricky issue; of course it isn't so black and white as legal or illegal, as if all drugs were made legal the question arises as to how they are distributed and how to deal with the further abuse / addiction etc. I wanted discussion obviously.

Despite all of the issues with legalizing drugs, I think, ultimately, the issue on the 'war on drugs' and the criminalization of drugs in general is that the government is treating sick citizens as criminals (not that those who indulge in drugs are sick, mind), and we're focusing our efforts and money on imprisoning people who are hurting no one but themselves. I'm not trying to argue that drugs like crack or heroin are not harmful or anything of the sort, but wouldn't these people be far better off in some sort of rehabilitation program rather than in a prison where they're likely to only fuel their addiction? And only get worse?

I think marijuana should clearly be legal if drugs such as cigarettes and alcohol, which cause far more deaths than reefer ever will; I think ecstasy and shrooms should be as well (which can be trickier but are pretty much proven to not be overtly dangerous if taken responsibly). I'm not as certain with harder drugs, but I think the current laws in the US (and the UK, as I think our drug laws are fairly similar?) need changing. I mean, one can buy a gun and shoot oneself in the head legally, not that suicide equates with hard drug use, but tons of things are available legally that one can destroy oneself with.

I think if drugs were made legal, we could begin to tax and control how they're distributed, decreasing crime and murder rates, and then subsequently begin open discussions on how to take these responsibly and what is healthy and not healthy to do. Educating kids from a young age without bias would be another step in getting kids to make responsible decisions when it comes to drugs. We know from sex education that abstinence only programs just get gets pregnant; it's the same with drugs. By telling people not to do them you create a culture around drugs that makes them seem more appealing.

Not that if they were legal, people wouldn't do them. I'd say the same amount that do them would continue to do so, maybe slightly more, but not enough for it to be an issue. It's not like drugs are incredibly hard to come around, specifically marijuana. People just need the information, rather than the government getting involved and imprisoning good-hearted people.
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QUOTE(Mushymanrob @ Dec 27 2009, 10:02 AM) *
mushrooms shouldnt be illegal, they are a naturally occuring fruit of the countryside like blackberries, nuts or 'edible' mushrooms are. theres no criminal connections.

its a difficult one, yes, you could remove the criminal fraternity out of the equasion and thus crime figures would drop. but would it work? having a state sponsored legal drugs system? im not so sure... because like the decriminalising of prostitution, there WOULD be a criminal underclass undercutting the 'official' legal trade. you get this already with cigarettes and alcohol. so if the legal drugs could be produced/sold cheaply enough then thats the only way to beat the criminals who wreek misery on thousands as adicts theive to fuel their adiction.

but what about the consequences of legal drugs? how could abuse and adiction be avoided? surely if cheap drugs were widely available there would be more adicts.

this aint an easy thing to answer


I think the opposite would happen tbh

Kids take drugs to be rebellious, to look hard/cool, to stick 2 fingers up at society so if they were readily available in shops/cafes they would lose their coolness/rebel factor which I think would result longer term in less taking drugs

If drugs were available openly in shops/cafes etc then the government would be getting tax from them which in turn would be able to be put towards treatment

I am not convinced that there is such thing as a drug addict as such, it is just people who have addictive personalities and if they were not addicted to drugs they would be to alcohol or gambling or something else
Crazy Chris-tmas
My opinion is that all drugs should be illegal and it's as simple as that. There should be no class A, class C etc. They're all dangerous and no-one needs to take them to enjoy a night out or to enjoy their life. I've never touched drugs in my life and doubt my daughter will.

To suggest in the above post that they should be available in shops, cafes etc is just ridiculous. We should be discouraging drug use not openly allowing it.
Qassändra
QUOTE(Victor Meldrew @ Dec 27 2009, 07:14 PM) *
My opinion is that all drugs should be illegal and it's as simple as that. There should be no class A, class C etc. They're all dangerous and no-one needs to take them to enjoy a night out or to enjoy their life. I've never touched drugs in my life and doubt my daughter will.

To suggest in the above post that they should be available in shops, cafes etc is just ridiculous. We should be discouraging drug use not openly allowing it.

How precisely is marijuana dangerous? You clearly have no knowledge on the issue aside from a general 'DRUGS ARE BAD' thing. Wars on drugs are counterproductive.

- The war on drugs hands one of the biggest industries in the world into the hands of criminal gangs. By distributing softer drugs through government-mandated suppliers and harder drugs to addicts through the NHS then you end both the horrific side-effects of wars between the gangs over the massive profit margins drugs offer, as well as the side-effects of dangerous use by having nurses supervising, as well as providing tax revenues to the government.

- Under prohibition, drug use becomes more hardcore:

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Before alcohol prohibition, most Americans drank beer and wine. After prohibition was introduced, super-strong moonshine became the most popular drink, as booze rapidly became 150 percent stronger. Why? The writer Richard Cowan called it “the iron law of prohibition”: whenever you criminalize a substance, it gets stronger. Because they are smuggling and stashing a substance, the dealers condense their product to give the biggest possible kick while taking up the smallest possible space. It’s at work today: it’s why dealers invented crack in the 1980s. The researchers Matthew Robinson and Renee Scherlen found: “The increased deadly nature of drugs under prohibition led to 15,000 more deaths in 2000 [in the US alone]than [if] prohibition had not made drugs more dangerous.”


- The drug war doesn't reduce drug usage:

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On July 1st 2001, Portugal decriminalized the possession of all drugs, including heroin and cocaine. You can have and use as much as you like for your own needs, and if you are caught, the police might refer you to a rehab programme, but you will never get a criminal record. (Supplying and selling remains illegal.)

Overall drug use actually fell. A major study by Glenn Greenwald for the Cato Institute found that among teenagers the fall was fastest: 13 year olds are 4 percent less likely to use drugs, and 16 year olds are 6 percent less likely. As the iron law of prohibition predicts, the use of hard drugs has fallen fastest: heroin use has crashed by nearly 50 percent among the young, who were not yet addicted. The Portuguese have switched the billions that used to be spent chasing and jailing addicts to providing them with prescriptions and rehab. The number of people in drug treatment is now up by 147 percent. Almost nobody in Portugal wants to go back. Indeed, many citizens want to take the next step: legalize supply too, and break the back of the gangs.

Portugal is no fluke. It turns out that wherever the drug laws are relaxed, drug use stays the same, or – where spending is switched to treatment – falls. Between 1972 and 1978, eleven US states decriminalized marijuana possession. The National Research Council found that the number of dope-smokers stayed the same. In Switzerland, a decade ago the government started providing legal centres where people could safely inject heroin – for free. Burglary rates fell by 60 percent, and street homelessness ended. A study by the Lancet – one of the most respected medical journals in the world – found that the rate of people becoming new heroin addicts fell by 82 percent. Why? Heroin addicts didn’t need to recruit new addicts to sell to in order to feed their habit. The pyramid scheme of heroin addiction was broken.


We shouldn't spend money on a drug war which also penalises casual users, it's just wasting money and taking it away from money that is better spent treating people that become addicts (of which there will be fewer if drugs are legalised). Drug use is inevitable, and will never be stamped out; the sooner we realise this, the sooner we can stop the damage that the war on drugs is doing and deal with the damage that drugs CAN cause.
Chris.
I cant be bothered to get in depth on it, but my personal opinon is:

Majijuana should be leaglised, because tbh it's just as much harm, if not less harm, than ciggerettes, and having it legalised brings up a whole new industry/economy, more jobs, more money made etc, although I might be a bit biased due to how much I may or may not enjoy it.

As for other illegal drugs, I dont think any should be legalised, unless any can be used medically, any that can should be legal to use for medical terms but not personal use. Ectasy wouldnt be that bad being legal but people can go very overboard with it, and tbh it's not worth it anyway, due to the come down.
Mushymanrob
QUOTE(Victor Meldrew @ Dec 27 2009, 07:14 PM) *
My opinion is that all drugs should be illegal and it's as simple as that. There should be no class A, class C etc. They're all dangerous and no-one needs to take them to enjoy a night out or to enjoy their life. I've never touched drugs in my life and doubt my daughter will.

To suggest in the above post that they should be available in shops, cafes etc is just ridiculous. We should be discouraging drug use not openly allowing it.


alot of drugs are less harmful then alcohol.... if alcohol was discovered today it too would be illegal.. sugar, salt, tobacco, as well are harmful to the human body if used excessively ... should they be banned?

and dont be so sure about your daughter, coming from such a miserable home she is prime to try drink/smoke/drugs and sex.
Mushymanrob
QUOTE(B.A Baracus @ Dec 27 2009, 10:20 AM) *
I think the opposite would happen tbh

Kids take drugs to be rebellious, to look hard/cool, to stick 2 fingers up at society so if they were readily available in shops/cafes they would lose their coolness/rebel factor which I think would result longer term in less taking drugs

If drugs were available openly in shops/cafes etc then the government would be getting tax from them which in turn would be able to be put towards treatment

I am not convinced that there is such thing as a drug addict as such, it is just people who have addictive personalities and if they were not addicted to drugs they would be to alcohol or gambling or something else


i dont agree .... kids try drugs for kicks and will do especially if they are more widely available, just look at the underage drink problems, getting hold of drink doesnt take the rebelliousness out of it.

erm, some drugs ARE addictive, yes people with addictive personalities will always find something to get addicted too.... but some drugs make anyone dependant on them whether or not they have a predisposition for addictiveness.
Cal
I definitely think marijuana should be legalized. I know plenty of people who use it and they've never had any issues at all. Alcohol and cigarettes are far more harmful to their health than marijuana will ever be. Alcohol kills people on a daily basis, either through related diseases or drink driving. I don't think I've ever heard of anybody dying from marijuana.

I don't know enough about heroin or any of the hard stuff, but what Tyron posted seems like a good way to go.
Josh
I think marijuana should legalised, definitely. It's harmless, and incredibly easy to get hold of (I'd say it's easier to get hold of than alcohol & fags, if you're young and don't know anyone 18 or your parents won't buy it for you, then you're stuck. However, there are countless of teenagers/young adults who sell it). I don't think it's that bad of a drug either, it doesn't really do much. The outcome and long term of effects of taking weed is nothing compared to a violent drunk person, or in the long course, someone's who's organs have shut down as a result of too much alcohol consumption.

I heard that in Holland (where marijuana is legal (?)), they have the lowest marijuana consumption rate in all of Europe.
thisispop
No question Marijuana should be decriminalised as tests have shown it is less harmful or addictive than either alcohol or the nicotine in cigarettes.

As for the other illegal substances I'm on the fence, but I'll stick to my harder line principles because we know what damage and misery they cause even though the Government would probably significantly gain from the financial benefit of legalising these substances might result in an increase in the adverse social effects.
russt68
Well done to Portugal - we could surely learn a lot from them.

As for the Crazy one's viewpoint - I suppose prescription drugs are, in your strange brain, somehow more 'acceptable'? If you're as sick as you say - I can only imagine the concoction of prescription drugs you're currently addicted to. And what they're doing to your internal organs.

Marijuana being illegal is one of those silly laws that, in reality, nobody takes a blind bit of notice of - same as downloading music and recording TV shows. Whilst the powers that be waste millions trying to persuade us we'll all end up in lunatic asylums if we smoke it, many more millions are being spent buying the stuff - by quite a sizeable percentage of the population. You just have to shake your head and smile at the law, really.

The only people who speak real sense about drugs and their increasing usage tend to be stifled and hushed-up by the government... and until we're adult enough to have a reasoned, sensible debate on drugs and their true effect on people and society - then the majority will dabble - be it with weed, ecstasy, coke, ketamine, amphetamine, LSD and on....
nickthenoodle
Tbh I think cigarettes and alcohol should be made illegal too kink.gif
GRIMLY FIENDISH
Prohibition aint working.... Simple as... It's about as effective as the 1920s Volstead Act... And look what happened there... That led to the creation of the Mafia and organised crime... The Ecstacy explosion of the late-80s did exactly the same thing here in UK, organised, criminal gangs became far more prominent in the drug trade, you started getting gang "turf wars", drug-related killings.. In other words, more or less EXACTLY LIKE the US of the 1920s.....

Legalising ALL drugs would pretty much eradicate the gangs and "turf wars" overnight, that simple, it would certainly stop the vast majority of drug-related killings, a purer product where you knew what you were getting would likely lead to less deaths also.... If drugs were legalised and taxed, then the money from taxation could be ring-fenced for the NHS and rehab facilities, and also drug education programmes....

It's true that many do take drugs to "escape" reality, but if you were living in the reality of some hell-hole estate, you'd sure as hell want to "escape" as well......
Crazy Chris-tmas
QUOTE(russt68 @ Dec 30 2009, 01:07 AM) *
As for the Crazy one's viewpoint - I suppose prescription drugs are, in your strange brain, somehow more 'acceptable'? If you're as sick as you say - I can only imagine the concoction of prescription drugs you're currently addicted to. And what they're doing to your internal organs.


Only just seen the above comment. Yes I take 7 prescription pills a day. They're necessary for my health though and I'm not taking them for the fun of it. Tell me how marijuana or any drug is NECESSARY. It's not. Alcohol and tobacco may be addictive too but there's no huge illegal trade importing them and supplying them is there?

Anyway, legal or not, if the idiots who take drugs want to then let them carry on and ruin their lives. I've never taken any as I've got more sense.
Qassändra
QUOTE(Victor Meldrew @ Jan 19 2010, 12:51 PM) *
Alcohol and tobacco may be addictive too but there's no huge illegal trade importing them and supplying them is there?

Erm, of course there isn't. They aren't illegal! manson.gif There wouldn't be an illegal trade in drugs if they were legalised and brought under governmental jurisdiction...
Crazy Chris-tmas
QUOTE(Tyrina Diamandis @ Jan 19 2010, 03:42 PM) *
Erm, of course there isn't. They aren't illegal! manson.gif There wouldn't be an illegal trade in drugs if they were legalised and brought under governmental jurisdiction...



Yes but why are they illegal? Because they're dangerous and can kill you. All recreational drugs can. They're illegal for a reason don't forget.
Galang's Machine
QUOTE(nickthenoodle @ Jan 7 2010, 01:57 PM) *
Tbh I think cigarettes and alcohol should be made illegal too kink.gif


Say wha?? ohmy.gif
Qassändra
QUOTE(Victor Meldrew @ Jan 19 2010, 04:13 PM) *
Yes but why are they illegal? Because they're dangerous and can kill you. All recreational drugs can. They're illegal for a reason don't forget.

Oh dear. On the same basis, should we ban alcohol and cigarettes?

And you're also a complete moron. Marijuana can't kill you...
Crazy Chris-tmas
QUOTE(Tyrina Diamandis @ Jan 19 2010, 05:07 PM) *
Oh dear. On the same basis, should we ban alcohol and cigarettes?

And you're also a complete moron. Marijuana can't kill you...



Can you not debate a subject without resorting to personal name-calling and insults? rolleyes.gif I left all that behind in the junior school playground. rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(Tyrina Diamandis @ Jan 19 2010, 05:07 PM) *
Oh dear. On the same basis, should we ban alcohol and cigarettes?

And you're also a complete moron. Marijuana can't kill you...


It can

Bob Marley's death was widely attributed to his addiction to marijuana, lung cancer spreading to brain and other areas and dead at 36

Cal
QUOTE(B.A Baracus @ Jan 19 2010, 06:27 PM) *
It can

Bob Marley's death was widely attributed to his addiction to marijuana, lung cancer spreading to brain and other areas and dead at 36


He had a melanoma which originated under one of his toenails due to an injury, which then spread to the rest of his body including his lungs and brain. The marijuana didn't cause his death. The only way you would die is if you smoked your own body weight in marijuana in a short period of time, and even if you did that you would die of smoke inhalation (just like you would if you were in a house fire) before you would from the toxicity of the drug. smile.gif

Other drugs like heroin are a different story altogether. But why marijuana is illegal is beyond me. tongue.gif

Qassändra
QUOTE(B.A Baracus @ Jan 19 2010, 06:27 PM) *
It can

Bob Marley's death was widely attributed to his addiction to marijuana, lung cancer spreading to brain and other areas and dead at 36

What Cal said tongue.gif And, in any case, that would only be as a result of smoking it with tobacco, which isn't the only way of ingesting marijuana...
Qassändra
QUOTE(Victor Meldrew @ Jan 19 2010, 06:11 PM) *
Can you not debate a subject without resorting to personal name-calling and insults? rolleyes.gif I left all that behind in the junior school playground. rolleyes.gif

I'll stop resorting to these things when you 'resort' to actually informing yourself on the issues before coming into the debate, rather than just peddling rash generalisations with no background context whatsoever...
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QUOTE(Cal @ Jan 19 2010, 06:59 PM) *
He had a melanoma which originated under one of his toenails due to an injury, which then spread to the rest of his body including his lungs and brain. The marijuana didn't cause his death. The only way you would die is if you smoked your own body weight in marijuana in a short period of time, and even if you did that you would die of smoke inhalation (just like you would if you were in a house fire) before you would from the toxicity of the drug. smile.gif

Other drugs like heroin are a different story altogether. But why marijuana is illegal is beyond me. tongue.gif


Aah my brainfade :/ been a long day, thanks for clarifying smile.gif
GRIMLY FIENDISH
The worst thing you can say about Marijuana is that it may exacerbate an ALREADY EXISTING mental condition.... In and of itself it is not lethal and it doesn't create mental problems in someone with no history of such problems....
Cal
I was just listening to the radio in the car and Head Shops was the topic. I don't know what they're like in the UK, but they're getting quite popular here now. People usually buy cannabis FLAVOURED tobacco etc. There was a mother complaining that her son went off the rails because he became a regular customer at one of these shops. She claimed he almost had a stroke and that he tested positive for cannabis. Seeing as these shops don't actually sell cannabis and it actually can't do that to you, it proved how ill-informed she actually was (I like the word 'actually', btw smoke.gif). He most likely got sick because he smoked too much cannabis FLAVOURED tobacco. She said "And they sell pre-rolled joints for 5€!"... Christ love, THEY AREN'T REAL JOINTS. It's regular tobacco. The same tobacco in YOUR cigarettes. And then she blamed the store for her son's illness. Hello? He was old enough to make the choice to buy that tobacco, and f***, if I lived with you I'd have a f***ing stroke!

Point of my rant: If cannabis/marijuana was legal, this wouldn't happen. tongue.gif

GRIMLY FIENDISH
QUOTE(Cal @ Jan 20 2010, 03:09 PM) *
I was just listening to the radio in the car and Head Shops was the topic. I don't know what they're like in the UK, but they're getting quite popular here now. People usually buy cannabis FLAVOURED tobacco etc. There was a mother complaining that her son went off the rails because he became a regular customer at one of these shops. She claimed he almost had a stroke and that he tested positive for cannabis. Seeing as these shops don't actually sell cannabis and it actually can't do that to you, it proved how ill-informed she actually was (I like the word 'actually', btw smoke.gif). He most likely got sick because he smoked too much cannabis FLAVOURED tobacco. She said "And they sell pre-rolled joints for 5€!"... Christ love, THEY AREN'T REAL JOINTS. It's regular tobacco. The same tobacco in YOUR cigarettes. And then she blamed the store for her son's illness. Hello? He was old enough to make the choice to buy that tobacco, and f***, if I lived with you I'd have a f***ing stroke!

Point of my rant: If cannabis/marijuana was legal, this wouldn't happen. tongue.gif


You ask me it was probably all the artificial additives in the flavouring that made him ill..... rolleyes.gif
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there wod be less problems
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Joao.
Im not so sure how to go about this tbh. I occassionally smoke weed and whilst i dont really like doing it, if i were to stop doing it, i know i would be phased out from my circle of friends so i admit i have succumed to peer pressure. On the topic of the effects, I have personally felt some side effects from it. A few years back i went through a really dodgy phase in my life and went (without sounding cliched) to a pretty dark place. I wouldnt be very socialable, i would feel a lot more critical about myself and would take my anger out on myself (a PG-13 way to put it so to speak). But then again i was also on Anti-Depressants at that time so im not 100% if it was smoking cannabis or if it was the pills however, having said that, my best mate who i used to hang out with pretty much every day, smokes loads of it (especially recently) and does not take Anti-Depressants but yet i see some of the same side effects that I had in him now. And whats worse, the only time i ever hang out with him now, is when i have money to "lend" him so he can get his hand on something. Any other time he usually goes wherever the weed is. So for the above reasons, i think seeing harsher punishments might benefit society some way but on the other hand you have the breakdown of organized crime as the most obvious of arguements. And also seeing as the reclassification of the drug to a class B hasnt really done much im not so sure how harsher punishments may actually change things if at all... So yeah thats my two cents.
vidsanta
Bump - old thread on decriminalization of drugs.
December Dong
Decriminalise NOW and legalise marijuana. It has only been illegal in recent human history, NEVER before, due to big business Rockafella pressure. Time to say NO to fat cats ruling us.
vidsanta
QUOTE(Shia LeMuffQueef @ Mar 22 2018, 10:12 AM) *
Decriminalise NOW and legalise marijuana. It has only been illegal in recent human history, NEVER before, due to big business Rockafella pressure. Time to say NO to fat cats ruling us.


You realise that decriminalization wouldn't magically stop all drug related crime, right?
December Dong
QUOTE(vidcapper @ Mar 22 2018, 10:30 AM) *
You realise that decriminalization wouldn't magically stop all drug related crime, right?


It's time to get addicts the help they need and realise the government has NO business dictating what people can and cannot do with their own bodies.

It wouldn't magically stop drug crime no, but it would stop making drug addicts and marijuana users criminals. Prohibition does not work.
vidsanta
QUOTE(Shia LeMuffQueef @ Mar 22 2018, 10:47 AM) *
It's time to get addicts the help they need and realise the government has NO business dictating what people can and cannot do with their own bodies.

It wouldn't magically stop drug crime no, but it would stop making drug addicts and marijuana users criminals. Prohibition does not work.


Stoned drivers would be no less dangerous if drugs were legalised, though...
December Dong
QUOTE(vidcapper @ Mar 22 2018, 11:47 AM) *
Stoned drivers would be no less dangerous if drugs were legalised, though...


Wut?

Drink drivers are FAR more dangerous.

Hey.

LET'S BAN ALCOHOL!!!

DRINK DRIVERS NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

Wait. I'm sure it won't end like the LAST era of US prohibition did. Noo sir.
dancember
How many drugs would you have legalised? I think marijuana should be legal but cocaine, heroin, MDMA etc. should remain illegal.
December Dong
QUOTE(danG @ Mar 22 2018, 11:58 AM) *
How many drugs would you have legalised? I think marijuana should be legal but cocaine, heroin, MDMA etc. should remain illegal.


But with decriminalised use.
vidsanta
QUOTE(Shia LeMuffQueef @ Mar 22 2018, 11:55 AM) *
Wut?

Drink drivers are FAR more dangerous.


Ever watched Police Interceptors? huh.gif
December Dong
QUOTE(vidcapper @ Mar 22 2018, 02:32 PM) *
Ever watched Police Interceptors? huh.gif


Whatever.

Should we ban alcohol because of drink drivers?
vidsanta
QUOTE(Shia LeMuffQueef @ Mar 22 2018, 02:49 PM) *
Whatever.

Should we ban alcohol because of drink drivers?


Or for that matter, mobile phones... rolleyes.gif
December Dong
QUOTE(vidcapper @ Mar 22 2018, 03:19 PM) *
Or for that matter, mobile phones... rolleyes.gif


So legalise it.

vidsanta
The point you seem to be missing is that it is *not* simply the use of alcohol, pot, etc - it is the *irresponsible misuse* of it, e.g. while driving etc.
dancember
The #1 cause of driving accidents is cars, should we be banning cars because of drink drivers? (sarcasm)
5 Silas Frøkner
What ridiculous point are you even making Vidcapper?

If weed was legalised, that doesn't mean it suddenly stops being an offence to be under the influence of it behind the wheel. Alcohol is a legal substance it is illegal to drive under the influence of. It is illegal to drive if you are unfit through drink or drugs, this covers legal prescription drugs too. If it says you can't drive on them, driving on them is illegal. The legal framework already exists to keep stoned driving illegal.

I don't support legalisation, which makes me stand out from my peers somewhat. I do support decriminalisation of the personal use of illegal narcotics. We should be supporting addicts through rehabilitation programmes and providing facilities like drug consumption rooms.

Did you know that the City of Glasgow is undergoing a HIV crisis because of shared needles/dirty needles in the drug communities? CoG council, with support from the Scottish Government want to bring in Drug Consumption rooms but the Home Office is refusing. Copenhagen has seen HIV rates plummet to the lowest in Europe and in Copenhagen last year they had ~800 overdoses but no deaths. Scotland is the drug death capital of Europe. Copenhagen isn't an isolated case either. Ireland, The Netherlands and many more European Countries have introduced these rooms to significant improvements in HIV transmission rates (and other Blood-bourne transmittable illnesses such as Hep B) reducing the burden on healthcare and fewer deaths due to overdoses too. As they're staffed by nurses it improves the general standard of health within the community and allows for signposting to support services such as addiction counselling.

If we want to end our drug problem we need to stop treating addicts like criminals and give them the support they need to beat their addictions rather than face the continuing reoffending cycle of prisons.
vidsanta
QUOTE(5 Silas Frøkner @ Mar 22 2018, 07:37 PM) *
What ridiculous point are you even making Vidcapper?


First off, which of the points I was making do you consider 'ridiculous' - as I can't figure that out?

QUOTE
I don't support legalisation, which makes me stand out from my peers somewhat. I do support decriminalisation of the personal use of illegal narcotics. We should be supporting addicts through rehabilitation programmes and providing facilities like drug consumption rooms.

If we want to end our drug problem we need to stop treating addicts like criminals and give them the support they need to beat their addictions rather than face the continuing reoffending cycle of prisons.


All of the above assumes that addicts *want* to come off drugs, of course - but what if they don't? If they refuse help, and continue to commit crimes to feed their habit, what then?

The obvious analogy is with smokers, some of whom continue despite the well-known health risks - but smoking doesn't impair abilities like drink or drugs do, so people can hold down jobs, which is less the case if they are regularly drunk/stoned. In the latter case, they will lack money and probably still need to commit crime to be able to afford their fix, even if it was legally available.
vidsanta
QUOTE(Shia LeMuffQueef @ Mar 22 2018, 03:21 PM) *
So legalise it.


Driving while using a mobile, you mean? unsure.gif

Your point about people being allowed to do what they like with their own bodies is valid, but only up to a point - that point is where their indulgences put others in danger.
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