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post 27th September 2010, 03:21 PM
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QUOTE(Tyron @ Sep 27 2010, 04:05 PM) *
What is he on about? mellow.gif You don't ever hear anybody moaning about anybody OTHER than Eastern Europeans these days!
What a ridiculous self-fulfilling prophecy! Funny, I thought most people chose a party based on how closely it correlated with its beliefs.

Frankly, it's a ridiculous assumption. 'We'll throw the tag of SOCIALIST at Ed and then say people won't support him because he looks like people won't support him!' - what a dreadfully moronic and arrogant article! Cameron's not even defending a majority government when he had every advantage possible going for him this year - so who's to say the majority of the voters who will be bitten hard by the cuts are going to necessarily forgive him just because they get given a tax cut of a penny or two - if the economy even ends up anywhere near healthy enough in the next five years to permit such a thing.


I think that most of the concerns about immigration are about non EU migrants particularly muslims and africans, I do not get the impression that there is a great dislike of EU migrants but there is in society a lot of islamophobia and similarly a considerable dislike of black immigrants.

I believe in equality hence why I would like to clamp down heavily on EU and non EU immigrants entering the country equally but sadly it is not possible with the EU immigrants so it must be done with the non EU ones
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post 27th September 2010, 03:56 PM
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You don't ever hear people complaining 'oh, a Nigerian took my job' - no, it's always complaints about how the Polish/Lithuanians/other eastern Europeans get the jobs because they're willing to work for less than minimum wage.

Dislike of black immigrants has long since died off - something more your generation there, I think.
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post 27th September 2010, 04:18 PM
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QUOTE(Tyron @ Sep 27 2010, 04:56 PM) *
You don't ever hear people complaining 'oh, a Nigerian took my job' - no, it's always complaints about how the Polish/Lithuanians/other eastern Europeans get the jobs because they're willing to work for less than minimum wage.

Dislike of black immigrants has long since died off - something more your generation there, I think.



If I had my way we would not allow any more EU immigrants either unless they meet a very strict criteria, I am not into all this "British jobs for British workers" crap, it is up to British workers to apply harder and sell themselves better to employers as opposed to blaming immigrants but it is not good for this country's identity to allow the floodgates to immigrants from wherever they may be.

In some ways immigration is a good thing, without immigration we would not have curry houses, we would not have pizza parlours, we would not have the wonderful chinatown in Soho, we would not have stuff like the Notting Hill carnival, all those kind of things are positives to come out of multi culturalism and the rise of ethnic stock in this country.

We have seen a lot of bad sides too, such as arranged marriages, Eastern European criminal gangs, a rise in voodoo and in African preachers abusing and "exorcism" of "possessed" kids, those kind of things are the bad side of immigration as are growing islamic radicalism, inner city gang culture, knife crime and gun crime etc, multi culturalism is a failed concept as there are too many down sides to it

Britain must retain its cultural identity and put the indigenous population and its centuries of culture first, it has been a white anglo saxon culture for centuries upon centuries, as long as immigrants first and second generation stay within their own cultures in terms of breeding then that is great but with immigration ever increasing and immigrant stock increasing at vast levels immigration and the multi cultural experiment a few generations down the line could change the indigenous white British bloodline forever thanks to inter-breeding of races whereas Britain needs to maintain and retain its identity (see the Moors in Italy for an example of that, the same could happen here in a couple of centuries if immigration is allowed to grow uncontrolled, inter breeding caused a complete genetic shift and the same could happen here)

I don't think that immigration and multi culturalism is a bad thing in essence as long as Britain retains its identity and with 20% of citizens in the future forecast to be immigrant or from immigrant stock there is a serious danger of Britain losing its identity
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post 27th September 2010, 04:34 PM
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QUOTE(I ❤ JustinBieber @ Sep 27 2010, 05:18 PM) *
Britain must retain its cultural identity and put the indigenous population and its centuries of culture first, it has been a white anglo saxon culture for centuries upon centuries, as long as immigrants first and second generation stay within their own cultures in terms of breeding then that is great but with immigration ever increasing and immigrant stock increasing at vast levels immigration and the multi cultural experiment a few generations down the line could change the indigenous white British bloodline forever thanks to inter-breeding of races whereas Britain needs to maintain and retain its identity (see the Moors in Italy for an example of that, the same could happen here in a couple of centuries if immigration is allowed to grow uncontrolled, inter breeding caused a complete genetic shift and the same could happen here)

I don't think that immigration and multi culturalism is a bad thing in essence as long as Britain retains its identity and with 20% of citizens in the future forecast to be immigrant or from immigrant stock there is a serious danger of Britain losing its identity

Riiiight. How is this not racist?
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post 27th September 2010, 04:42 PM
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QUOTE(Tyron @ Sep 27 2010, 05:34 PM) *
Riiiight. How is this not racist?


it is not racist at all it is just a realistic assessment of what could happen if immigration gets out of control and the predicted 20% non indigenous thing is reached. You are seeing racism that isn't there

Like it or not Britain has been white anglo saxon indigenous for thousands of years and it is not racist to want Britain to maintain that for thousands more years while at the same time encouraging law abiding hard working ethnic stock

But the more immigration grows and the more the non indigenous population grows the more there will simply be inter breeding and over time that will completely erode thousands of years of indigenous white population, we really could have a situation centuries along the line like we had with the moors that almost all Italians are part moor, do you really have no problem with Britain losing thosands of years of ethnicity ? It is not racist to have concerns



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post 27th September 2010, 04:46 PM
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it is not racist at all it is just a realistic assessment of what could happen if immigration gets out of control and the predicted 20% non indigenous thing is reached. You are seeing racism that isn't there

Like it or not Britain has been white anglo saxon indigenous for thousands of years and it is not racist to want Britain to maintain that for thousands more years while at the same time encouraging law abiding hard working ethnic stock

But the more immigration grows and the more the non indigenous population grows the more there will simply be inter breeding and over time that will completely erode thousands of years of indigenous white population, we really could have a situation centuries along the line like we had with the moors that almost all Italians are part moor, do you really have no problem with Britain losing thosands of years of ethnicity ? It is not racist to have concerns

Why is there a problem with us not being majority white if the culture remains the same? Why is it a problem that almost all Italians are part Moor?

This is the exact language the BNP use!
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post 27th September 2010, 04:59 PM
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QUOTE(Tyron @ Sep 27 2010, 05:46 PM) *
Why is there a problem with us not being majority white if the culture remains the same? Why is it a problem that almost all Italians are part Moor?

This is the exact language the BNP use!


Italians were like us originally, white skinned, blonde/brown/dark hair, blue/brown/green eyes etc and thanks to inter breeding with the Moors they became dark skinned with dark hair and in general brown eyes, now that is not to say that there is anything wrong with having dark skin but the moors completely changed the Italian indigenous DNA to the point where it is now and they are dark skinned

With uncontrolled immigration and less and less indigenous white stock there is a serious chance if we were transported into 2510AD-3000AD that we will see the genetic make up has changed thanks to immigration and the subsequent inter breeding to the point where every Briton has dark skin like has happened in Italy now, uncontrolled immigration could lead to that, the literal destruction of the white anglo saxon DNA/bloodline centuries down the line

It is not racist to have concerns about that and to want Britain to maintain its genetic make up and anglo saxon identity.


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post 27th September 2010, 05:48 PM
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Italians were like us originally, white skinned, blonde/brown/dark hair, blue/brown/green eyes etc and thanks to inter breeding with the Moors they became dark skinned with dark hair and in general brown eyes, now that is not to say that there is anything wrong with having dark skin but the moors completely changed the Italian indigenous DNA to the point where it is now and they are dark skinned

With uncontrolled immigration and less and less indigenous white stock there is a serious chance if we were transported into 2510AD-3000AD that we will see the genetic make up has changed thanks to immigration and the subsequent inter breeding to the point where every Briton has dark skin like has happened in Italy now, uncontrolled immigration could lead to that, the literal destruction of the white anglo saxon DNA/bloodline centuries down the line

It is not racist to have concerns about that and to want Britain to maintain its genetic make up and anglo saxon identity.

If there's nothing wrong with having dark skin so long as our culture remains the same (as it has in Italy), then I don't understand quite how you can make the argument of that being a downside of multiculturalism without it being racist!
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post 27th September 2010, 06:16 PM
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QUOTE(I ❤ JustinBieber @ Sep 27 2010, 05:18 PM) *
If I had my way we would not allow any more EU immigrants either unless they meet a very strict criteria, I am not into all this "British jobs for British workers" crap, it is up to British workers to apply harder and sell themselves better to employers as opposed to blaming immigrants but it is not good for this country's identity to allow the floodgates to immigrants from wherever they may be.

In some ways immigration is a good thing, without immigration we would not have curry houses, we would not have pizza parlours, we would not have the wonderful chinatown in Soho, we would not have stuff like the Notting Hill carnival, all those kind of things are positives to come out of multi culturalism and the rise of ethnic stock in this country.

We have seen a lot of bad sides too, such as arranged marriages, Eastern European criminal gangs, a rise in voodoo and in African preachers abusing and "exorcism" of "possessed" kids, those kind of things are the bad side of immigration as are growing islamic radicalism, inner city gang culture, knife crime and gun crime etc, multi culturalism is a failed concept as there are too many down sides to it

Britain must retain its cultural identity and put the indigenous population and its centuries of culture first, it has been a white anglo saxon culture for centuries upon centuries, as long as immigrants first and second generation stay within their own cultures in terms of breeding then that is great but with immigration ever increasing and immigrant stock increasing at vast levels immigration and the multi cultural experiment a few generations down the line could change the indigenous white British bloodline forever thanks to inter-breeding of races whereas Britain needs to maintain and retain its identity (see the Moors in Italy for an example of that, the same could happen here in a couple of centuries if immigration is allowed to grow uncontrolled, inter breeding caused a complete genetic shift and the same could happen here)

I don't think that immigration and multi culturalism is a bad thing in essence as long as Britain retains its identity and with 20% of citizens in the future forecast to be immigrant or from immigrant stock there is a serious danger of Britain losing its identity


Wow. If you'd just stopped writing this post after the first couple of paragraphs, I might have agreed with you. But then you ruined it by using terms like "indigenous population" and "Britain must retain its Anglo-Saxon culture".

I actually do believe that, in an ideal world, there should be severe limits on non-asylum-seeking unskilled and low-skilled foreign workers immigrating here, because of the fact that there aren't enough jobs to go around here as it is, and because it gives the Polish and Lithuanian governments excuses not to invest in their own industrial bases (obviously, the more self-sufficient each country is in terms of employment, the better the health of all economies in the long term-- although the Coalition's uniform cap is populist crap, as highly-skilled industries like law, education and the NHS NEED immigrants to stay afloat). But suggesting that immigration should be stopped simply because "Poles shouldn't be allowed to speak in Polish here because I don't know what they're saying about me" or things like "I feel like I'm not in Britain anymore when I go to that estate" is racist crap.
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post 27th September 2010, 07:13 PM
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QUOTE(Danny @ Sep 27 2010, 07:16 PM) *
Wow. If you'd just stopped writing this post after the first couple of paragraphs, I might have agreed with you. But then you ruined it by using terms like "indigenous population" and "Britain must retain its Anglo-Saxon culture".

I actually do believe that, in an ideal world, there should be severe limits on non-asylum-seeking unskilled and low-skilled foreign workers immigrating here, because of the fact that there aren't enough jobs to go around here as it is, and because it gives the Polish and Lithuanian governments excuses not to invest in their own industrial bases (obviously, the more self-sufficient each country is in terms of employment, the better the health of all economies in the long term-- although the Coalition's uniform cap is populist crap, as highly-skilled industries like law, education and the NHS NEED immigrants to stay afloat). But suggesting that immigration should be stopped simply because "Poles shouldn't be allowed to speak in Polish here because I don't know what they're saying about me" or things like "I feel like I'm not in Britain anymore when I go to that estate" is racist crap.


Absolutely they are and that is certainly something I do not for one moment support or condone, I have never said such things and were anyone to say them in my company they would get a dressing down from me, I state for the record that I would never endorse such comments

I admire the hard working immigrants who come here, get a job, make an effort, they could teach our homegrown people a lot when it comes to work ethic, my "corner shop" stays open till 11pm, it opens at 5.30am, they work incredibly long hours and the lads chip in when they get back from college, such people deserve my admiration.

I think Britain needs some immigration but the time has come where only those that fit a certain criteria (skilled in fixed professions/wealthy enough to start businesses in UK) should be allowed to come into this country to live.
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QUOTE(Tyron @ Sep 27 2010, 06:48 PM) *
If there's nothing wrong with having dark skin so long as our culture remains the same (as it has in Italy), then I don't understand quite how you can make the argument of that being a downside of multiculturalism without it being racist!


This country's indigenous DNA has always been north european/anglo saxon, has always been that way since Britain was in existence even if the gene pool has been mixed with scandanavian/roman/french/whoever else has invaded this country, I don't think it is racist at all to have concerns about a change in something that has happened since this nation began, I would not want to see a repeat of what happened in Italy simply on the grounds that our DNA has remained the same since Britain began, not a racist issue at all IMHO
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post 27th September 2010, 07:19 PM
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Italians were like us originally, white skinned, blonde/brown/dark hair, blue/brown/green eyes etc and thanks to inter breeding with the Moors they became dark skinned with dark hair and in general brown eyes, now that is not to say that there is anything wrong with having dark skin but the moors completely changed the Italian indigenous DNA to the point where it is now and they are dark skinned

With uncontrolled immigration and less and less indigenous white stock there is a serious chance if we were transported into 2510AD-3000AD that we will see the genetic make up has changed thanks to immigration and the subsequent inter breeding to the point where every Briton has dark skin like has happened in Italy now, uncontrolled immigration could lead to that, the literal destruction of the white anglo saxon DNA/bloodline centuries down the line

It is not racist to have concerns about that and to want Britain to maintain its genetic make up and anglo saxon identity.


and i want Britain to go back to it's actual British genetic make up, not this anglo saxon genetic make up that took over our country mad.gif


and it is rather racist, are you saying we should take only white anglo saxon style immigrants to not effect our genetic make up, because that would be not equal to people of all skin colours (i.e racist)

seriously you sound like Nick Griffin.
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and i want Britain to go back to it's actual British genetic make up, not this anglo saxon genetic make up that took over our country mad.gif
and it is rather racist, are you saying we should take only white anglo saxon style immigrants to not effect our genetic make up, because that would be not equal to people of all skin colours (i.e racist)

seriously you sound like Nick Griffin.


Not at all. Of course we should take black, asian, oriental immigrants (if they fit the strict criteria) but I have concerns about inter racial breeding, I believe that blacks should breed with blacks that asians should breed with asians that orientals should breed with orientals and that whites should breed with whites, every ethnic group retain its own identity physically and culturally

In Italy the Moors (black) inter bred big time with the indigenous Italian population (essentially what we look like) and the result centuries later was a complete genetic change in Italians, completely wiping out their indigenous DNA and I just don't want to see the same happen here and don't feel it is racist or Nick Griffin-esque to think that.

It wouldn't happen in our life time nor in the next 500 years but with inter breeding of different ethnic groups our entire indigenous history could be wiped out.

I just want to see every group stay within its own group so we can all have our specific identities
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QUOTE(I ❤ JustinBieber @ Sep 27 2010, 08:28 PM) *
Not at all. Of course we should take black, asian, oriental immigrants (if they fit the strict criteria) but I have concerns about inter racial breeding, I believe that blacks should breed with blacks that asians should breed with asians that orientals should breed with orientals and that whites should breed with whites, every ethnic group retain its own identity physically and culturally

In Italy the Moors (black) inter bred big time with the indigenous Italian population (essentially what we look like) and the result centuries later was a complete genetic change in Italians, completely wiping out their indigenous DNA and I just don't want to see the same happen here and don't feel it is racist or Nick Griffin-esque to think that.

It wouldn't happen in our life time nor in the next 500 years but with inter breeding of different ethnic groups our entire indigenous history could be wiped out.

I just want to see every group stay within its own group so we can all have our specific identities


so if i went out with a black girl, and we decide we want to have kids, in your opinion would you think we should not have kids due to it being "inter-racial breeding"? or should we decide that we shouldnt have kids in the name of retaining the identity of our skin colours?
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so if i went out with a black girl, and we decide we want to have kids, in your opinion would you think we should not have kids due to it being "inter-racial breeding"? or should we decide that we shouldnt have kids in the name of retaining the identity of our skin colours?


The latter, retaining the identity of our skin colours

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The latter, retaining the identity of our skin colours


Um.
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The latter, retaining the identity of our skin colours


i can't believe there are actually people like you about. scares me a bit even.

and you say you don't agree with the BNP?
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You should speak to black people Danny, a number of black people I know find the idea of an inter racial relationship and a mixed race baby or diluted black baby abhorrent, such people are cast as traitors and "uncle tom's" etc, even blacks are by and large against their cultural and physical identity being eroded

Every culture should retain its own identity, that isn't racist
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i can't believe there are actually people like you about. scares me a bit even.

and you say you don't agree with the BNP?


I find the BNP abhorrent, if they got a sniff of power there would be forced deportations, police raids to forcibly remove anyone who doesn't have a white face, beatings of ethnic minorities by the BNP's henchmen, no matter how much they window dress their manifesto to look respectable beneath that lurks evil and I no way support any of the above, I do not endorse anything like that, i want to see all races in this country live in harmony, nothing the BNP stands for do I agree with
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What's colour got to do with identity? Surely that's down to culture?

Why should all races only breed with each other? mellow.gif What's wrong with them mixing?
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