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Gezza



Well, a very festive hello to you on my last thread of the year, and of course it's Christmas related tongue.gif

Yes, over the next 12 days we'll be counting down Gezza's 12 charts of Christmas, and what are those I hear you say?!

Well simply put we'll be looking back over the Christmas charts since 1980 at the closest races to the top spot.

With the advent of X Factor and facebook campaigns the race has, largely, been over before it really began but we're going back to those battles to find the only 12 instances in the last 22 years where the festive No 1 made by a sales margin of UNDER 50k.

LET'S TRY NOT TO SPOIL THIS BY POSTING INSTANCES WHERE WE KNOW IT WAS UNDER THAT MARGIN- We all know some instances but this will be much more enjoyable without spoilers and hopefully we'll find out some "new stuff" about "old stuff".

So crack open that mulled wine and get all festive for 12 christmas treats! biggrin.gif ohmy.gif laugh.gif dance.gif

I would add that for obvious reasons some sales may be my own estimates!
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This is going to be very exciting for a sales geek like me. biggrin.gif
Gezza
So first up.....



GEZZA’S FIRST CHART OF CHRISTMAS- 1997



1997 was an odd time for the Spice Girls who had had quite a turbulent year all told. On paper the success had continued as they added a further two No 1 singles to their tally throughout the year and were the favourite to pick up the accolade of “Christmas No 1” for a second year on the trot, however they had dumped their management and stories of discontent within the group were rife (and mainly being cited between Mel B and Geri).

Their main opposition were the BBC creation The Teletubbies who had spent the previous weeks at the top running up an impressive total of almost 550k in 14 days on sale as parents snapped up the track for their kids/ students bought it in irony. This was actually the favourite for the festive No 1 for that year at 6-4 according to William Hill, and the race was billed as the first to be decided by the prepubescent kids age range.



Some had their money on The Chicken shed Theatre’s single “I Am In Love With The World” which was given odds of 4-1 in early December. They are a British theatre company who are comprised of all ages an were patronised by Princess Diana, and in the aftermath of her death this year this was featured on the tribute album and was therefore thought to be a strong contender for the top. It limped in at No 15 and had pre orders of 250k, but sold a poor 34k in the Xmas week.



Unlike the battle of the year before (where it was evident from the off that The Spice Girls would win) sales were reported to be relatively tight at the beginning of the week with a 10k advantage to the girls in the initial reports, but as the week wore on it was the fab five that pulled away from the flabby foursome to triumph by almost 50k

1- TOO MUCH- Spice Girls (252,000)
2- TELETUBBIES SAY EH-OH- Teletubbies (203,000)
3- PERFECT DAY- Various Artists (132,000)
4- NEVER EVER- All Saints (119,000)
5- TOGETHER AGAIN- Janet Jackson (103,000)
6- BARBIE GIRL- Aqua (100,000)
7- ANGELS- Robbie Williams (94,000)
8- TORN- Natalie Imbruglia (72,000)
9- BABY CAN I HOLD YOU/ SHOOTING STAR- Boyzone (64,000)
10- FEEL SO GOOD- Ma$e (53,000)

Gezza
Griff there is FAR too much in your signature! ohmy.gif
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QUOTE(Dasher @ Dec 13 2012, 05:27 PM) *
1- TOO MUCH- Spice Girls (252,000)
2- TELETUBBIES SAY EH-OH- Teletubbies (203,000)
3- PERFECT DAY- Various Artists (132,000)
4- NEVER EVER- All Saints (119,000)
5- TOGETHER AGAIN- Janet Jackson (103,000)
6- BARBIE GIRL- Aqua (100,000)
7- ANGELS- Robbie Williams (94,000)
8- TORN- Natalie Imbruglia (72,000)
9- BABY CAN I HOLD YOU/ SHOOTING STAR- Boyzone (64,000)
10- FEEL SO GOOD- Ma$e (53,000)


Son of a bitch! ohmy.gif Those sales are HUGE!

QUOTE(Dasher @ Dec 13 2012, 05:28 PM) *
Griff there is FAR too much in your signature! ohmy.gif


Haha! laugh.gif I wouldn't have it any other way! biggrin.gif
gooddelta
How can something have pre-orders of 250k and only sell 34k? 216,000 people simply decided to ignore their pre-order? ohmy.gif

Listening to 'I Am In Love With The World' now and I don't remember it at all, sounds like the sort of thing that would have turned up in A Song For Europe in the late 90s and finished 3rd or 4th laugh.gif
Gezza
QUOTE(gooddelta @ Dec 13 2012, 05:30 PM) *
How can something have pre-orders of 250k and only sell 34k? 216,000 people simply decided to ignore their pre-order? ohmy.gif

Well that's what MW says! laugh.gif I think it probably meant that the people asking about the record had resulted in stores pre ordering the track then folk decided that it was too sickly- even for Xmas! ohmy.gif
liamk97
So no-one got the correct answer to What will be the theme of the next Gezza/Dasher sales related thread? in Dandy's prediction thread then! tongue.gif
DANKENSTEIN
QUOTE(Dasher @ Dec 13 2012, 05:27 PM) *
GEZZA’S FIRST CHART OF CHRISTMAS- 1997

1- TOO MUCH- Spice Girls (252,000)
2- TELETUBBIES SAY EH-OH- Teletubbies (203,000)
3- PERFECT DAY- Various Artists (132,000)


Teletubbies should've been #1 that week mad.gif I don't remember how that Spice Girls song goes, neither do most of the general public but Teletubbies Say Eh-Oh is a CLASSIC wub.gif blush.gif Same with Bob the Builder, but fortunately he did manage the Xmas #1!
Bradders
Am I correct in saying that entire top 8 apart from the number 1 are million sellers, or has Janet not made it either?
Gezza
QUOTE(Bradders @ Dec 13 2012, 08:23 PM) *
Am I correct in saying that entire top 8 apart from the number 1 are million sellers, or has Janet not made it either?

No Janet hasn't made it I'm afraid!
StAndrews1875
Spice Girls v Teletubbies....it was an interesting race, and to me the right song won.

"I am in love with the world".....I know it's a charity for disabled children, but sorry that girl can not sing. How this was a contender, I'd love to know. Even 14th was too high! The song wouldn't look out of place in the Melodifestivalen internet rounds they used to have biggrin.gif

paulgilb
I thought the top 10 all cleared 100k that week?

Great idea for a thread, though!
Gezza
QUOTE(paulgilb @ Dec 13 2012, 11:02 PM) *
I thought the top 10 all cleared 100k that week?

Great idea for a thread, though!

Given that Ma$e didn't appear in the top 200 for 1997 (for which 80k sales would be needed roughly) means that certainly wasn't the case unfortunately biggrin.gif
gooddelta
Ma$e certainly sticks out like a sore thumb, the rest are all arguably classics or memorable for some reason!
AaronTM
QUOTE(gooddelta @ Dec 13 2012, 11:28 PM) *
Ma$e certainly sticks out like a sore thumb, the rest are all arguably classics or memorable for some reason!

I was just thinking that, has there ever been a more classic top 9?! I think they'd all be recognisable to most people to this day.
SKOB
QUOTE(Dasher @ Dec 13 2012, 07:43 PM) *
Well that's what MW says! laugh.gif I think it probably meant that the people asking about the record had resulted in stores pre ordering the track then folk decided that it was too sickly- even for Xmas! ohmy.gif


It think it was copies shipped to stores which is not the same as pre-order. Otherwise, it just doesn't make sense.

Fantastic thread!

Gezza


GEEZA’S SECOND CHART OF CHRISTMAS- 1985



Back a further 12 years now to the Christmas of 1985 and a chart that proves the importance of timing in the Christmas chart. For songs that are expressly about Christmas (in the title, the lyrics, and in the use of those damn sleigh bells) the run in to the big day is especially important, and in this particular year the week leading up the Christmas No 1 covered the period Dec 16th-21st and thusly not including the massive sales days from the 22nd onwards when schools are finished and offices close. Why does all this matter? Well it resulted in a much closer race for the top than ordinarily it would have been, and this was one of the reasons.

Shaky’s “Merry Christmas Everyone” was scheduled for 1984 release but as soon as Band Aid was announced the release was shelved for 12 months. 1985 was not a good year for Stevens however, he had (for the first time since 1980) failed to make the top 10 at all, but he did have form in the race for the Christmas No 1 having played second fiddle to Renee & Renato in 1982 with his “Shakin Stevens EP” could he go one better this year?



His main opposition was, ironically, Band Aid- again! Yes it was getting an official Re-issue and was popularly thought to be a genuine contender for the top slot all over again rocketed 24-6-3 in the run-up to the big chart whilst Shaky had moved 38-10-2, some outside bets were also placed on the similarly re-issued “Last Christmas” by Wham! which had been released without “Everything She Wants” on the reverse and which had progressed 32-10 but ended up at No 6 in the Christmas week. However it wasn’t Band Aid who proved to be the biggest challenge but the outgoing No 1 by Whitney Houston.



Her ode to being “the other woman” had spent just a fortnight at No 1 before the Christmas chart was unveiled and would have put up some resistance to the Shaky takeover taking into account the period covered in the chart. It’s more than likely that this was a case of “Merry Christmas Everyone” extending its lead as the week wore on (and possibly not being the midweek No 1) as Christmas approached. Interestingly with the way Christmas fell this year Shaky’s winning margin would have been decreased the following week as sales of both his track and Houston’s would be down but with the post Christmas slump affecting Shaky more.

1- MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE- Shakin Stevens (145,000)
2- SAVING ALL MY LOVE FOR YOU- Whitney Houston (96,000)
3- DO THEY KNOW IT’S CHRISTMAS- Band Aid (84,000)
4- WEST END GIRLS- Pet Shop Boys (66,000)
5- WALKING IN THE AIR- Aled Jones (62,000)
6- LAST CHRISTMAS- Wham! (59,000)
7- SEPARATE LIVES- Phil Collins & Marilyn Martin (54,000)
8- I’M YOUR MAN- Wham! (53,000)
9- DRESS YOU UP- Madonna (43,000)
10 – SEE THE DAY- Dee C Lee (39,000)


BillyH
What a bizarre chart - number 1s from 1984, 1985 *and* 1986 (West End Girls) all in the same top 10!! Has that ever happened again, as in #1s from three different years all in the top 10 at the same time? It's even more feasible now we're in the download years...
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How did 84,000 people buy the Band Aid single in a week a year after it came out? laugh.gif Did they lose it or hadn't they bought the record yet?
Cursed Wombat
QUOTE(★ G R I E F ★ @ Dec 14 2012, 09:22 PM) *
How did 84,000 people buy the Band Aid single in a week a year after it came out? laugh.gif Did they lose it or hadn't they bought the record yet?


Well, there's only a million people in the UK now? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Christmas Wombat @ Dec 14 2012, 09:25 PM) *
Well, there's only a million people in the UK now? tongue.gif


Everyone who wanted it would have bought it first time round. I really don't see why a large amount of people would have bought it a year after it came out?
Gezza
QUOTE(★ G R I E F ★ @ Dec 14 2012, 09:29 PM) *
Everyone who wanted it would have bought it first time round. I really don't see why a large amount of people would have bought it a year after it came out?

Charity? Probably the same reason why FONY and AIWFC sell year after year huh.gif
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QUOTE(Dasher @ Dec 14 2012, 09:31 PM) *
Charity? Probably the same reason why FONY and AIWFC sell year after year huh.gif


Do FONY and AIWFC sell for charity though? But I can see your reasoning for Band Aid...

No need to patronize me though...
Cursed Wombat
Songs don't just sell the year they're released and then fall into oblivion - maybe a few really crap, flash in the pan songs, but generally a re-release can get the song afloat again easily and especially at Christmas time when the song's very popular. Just think how many people missed it the first time around, want to buy another copy for their sister, find the song grown on them drastically over the years etc...
28 Brays Later
No matter how many people already own a song, there are always people left that haven't got it yet or even heard it. It's perfectly plausible that a lot of those that bought it in 1985 only found out about the song after it left the chart. There are always people who are shockingly unaware of even the biggest songs around.
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QUOTE(Christmas Wombat @ Dec 14 2012, 09:37 PM) *
Songs don't just sell the year they're released and then fall into oblivion - maybe a few really crap, flash in the pan songs, but generally a re-release can get the song afloat again easily and especially at Christmas time when the song's very popular. Just think how many people missed it the first time around, want to buy another copy for their sister, find the song grown on them drastically over the years etc...


Fair enough. I don't see how anyone could have missed it at the time though, its sales suggest that it was everywhere at the time. laugh.gif
Gezza
QUOTE(★ G R I E F ★ @ Dec 14 2012, 09:33 PM) *
Do FONY and AIWFC sell for charity though? But I can see your reasoning for Band Aid...

No need to patronize me though...

I wasn't being patronising ohmy.gif

In the aftermath of "Live Aid" I suppose the whole Band Aid thing would still be relatively fresh in people's minds.
BillyH
I'd say there were also a huge quantity of people who bought it in '84 and bought it again in '85 to further help the charity cause. It also had a new B-side called 'One Year On' so you were getting something new at least.
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SKOB
There was a proper release in 1985, as someone stated, AND also I believe the Xmas songs were not sold anywhere between February-October.

So most of re-entries occurred because of new or re-releases back then including store promotion etc. Now people can buy Fairytale of New York anytime during the year, that was impossible in the 80s.
vidcapper
QUOTE(SKOB @ Dec 15 2012, 06:52 AM) *
There was a proper release in 1985, as someone stated, AND also I believe the Xmas songs were not sold anywhere between February-October.

So most of re-entries occurred because of new or re-releases back then including store promotion etc. Now people can buy Fairytale of New York anytime during the year, that was impossible in the 80s.


Indeed - and as best I can tell, FTONY even averages ~150/wk outside the Xmas period... blink.gif
T Boy
QUOTE(AlexRange @ Dec 15 2012, 05:07 AM) *
I like "Too Much", "Barbie Girl", "Angels", but...

My Personal Chart [Christmas week - 1997]
1. Vanilla - No Way, No Way
2. Spice Girls - Too Much
3. Steps - 5,6,7,8
4. Aqua - Barbie Girl

Previous # 1 (Steps) was detroned by Vanilla, which had 3 weeks # 1 over Spice Girls.
All 4 songs were my personal # 1s in this order: Aqua, Steps, Vanilla, Spice Girls.


Vanilla made no.1 on ANYONE'S personal chart? *mindblown*
Gezza


GEZZA’S THIRD CHART OF CHRISTMAS- 1981



This was all pretty much sown up surely by the Human League? After all who’s heard “Daddy’s Home”? Well for Christmas 1981 all the big guns of the day had singles available, Human League, Adam & The Ants, Abba, Cliff, Madness, practically a who’s who of early 80s chart stars so competition was stiff certainly, and to top it all the chart for that Christmas was covering sales between 14-19th meaning that the majority of sales would actually take place the week after the Christmas chart hence sales were less than stellar for the week (by 1981 standards anyway).



It was a battle that Cliff ended up losing though it was worth recalling that it wasn’t until “Mistletoe and Wine” in 1988 that Cliff became particularly associated with the Christmas battle so perhaps it isn’t so surprising. It was also a last stand for both ABBA and Adam & The Ants who were all nearing the end of their respective careers whilst for Bucks Fizz they were just weeks from being the main benefactors of the post Christmas slump when “Land Of Make Believe “ topped the charts.



The Human League’s victory was in part due to the fact that they had an eye catching video within a video concept that was unusual at the time and the visual appeal of the group probably made them seem far more trendy and happening than Cliff covering a 1961 record! Cliff actually made the initial running moving 37-15-6 by the time DYWM had debuted at No 9, perhaps Cliff had “lost” too many sales in those first weeks which resulted in his move 6-2 whilst the Human League vaulted over him 9-1. Indeed in that first week (12.12.81) DYWM’s lead would have been minimal (4k) but the League stretched their lead on the course of the next fortnight.

1- DON’T YOU WANT ME- Human League (188,000)
2- DADDY’S HOME- Cliff Richard (142,000)
3- ONE OF US- Abba (128,000)
4- ANT RAP- Adam & The Ants (124,000)
5- THE LAND OF MAKE BELIEVE- Bucks Fizz (106,000)
6- IT MUST BE LOVE- Madness (93,000)
7- WEDDING BELLS- Godley & Creme (82,000)
8- ROCK N ROLL- Status Quo (69,000)
9- MIRROR MIRROR- Dollar (67,000)
10- I’LL FIND MY WAY HOME- Jon & Vangelis (57,000)

Hocus Pokus
^^ best Xmas #1, after Pet Shop Boys Always On My Mind.
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QUOTE(T Boy @ Dec 15 2012, 09:14 AM) *
Vanilla made no.1 on ANYONE'S personal chart? *mindblown*


I take it that you haven't met AlexRange before then! laugh.gif

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Those 1981 sales are massive. ohmy.gif It's no surprise though, some of those songs are era-defining. Probably the best Xmas #1 of all time as well, I love Don't You Want Me! wub.gif
SKOB
Don't You Want Me wub.gif
T Boy
QUOTE(★ G R I E F ★ @ Dec 15 2012, 12:14 PM) *
I take it that you haven't met AlexRange before then! laugh.gif

-x-

Those 1981 sales are massive. ohmy.gif It's no surprise though, some of those songs are era-defining. Probably the best Xmas #1 of all time as well, I love Don't You Want Me! wub.gif


I am accustomed to the ways of AlexRange and yet he still astounds me with every post!
28 Brays Later
QUOTE(BillyH @ Dec 14 2012, 05:39 PM) *
What a bizarre chart - number 1s from 1984, 1985 *and* 1986 (West End Girls) all in the same top 10!! Has that ever happened again, as in #1s from three different years all in the top 10 at the same time? It's even more feasible now we're in the download years...


Late response:

W/E 22/01/2005
1 Elvis Presley - One Night (1959 #1)
4 Steve Brookstein - Against All Odds (2005 #1)
10 Elvis Presley - Jailhouse Rock (1958 #1)
Colm
QUOTE(★ G R I E F ★ @ Dec 14 2012, 09:39 PM) *
Fair enough. I don't see how anyone could have missed it at the time though, its sales suggest that it was everywhere at the time. laugh.gif




They may not have missed it the first time.
Colm
QUOTE(Dasher @ Dec 13 2012, 05:27 PM) *
So first up.....


1- TOO MUCH- Spice Girls (252,000)
2- TELETUBBIES SAY EH-OH- Teletubbies (203,000)
3- PERFECT DAY- Various Artists (132,000)
4- NEVER EVER- All Saints (119,000)
5- TOGETHER AGAIN- Janet Jackson (103,000)
6- BARBIE GIRL- Aqua (100,000)
7- ANGELS- Robbie Williams (94,000)
8- TORN- Natalie Imbruglia (72,000)
9- BABY CAN I HOLD YOU/ SHOOTING STAR- Boyzone (64,000)
10- FEEL SO GOOD- Ma$e (53,000)



A staggering Top 6 sales. Plus, if you asked anyone which 6 singles sold over 100,000 from that Top 10 in Christmas week many would have gone for Torn or Angels over Together Again.

My favourite ever time for singles sales - Candle in the Wind was just outside the Top 10. All Top 9 ended up in the YTD and Top 8 ended up in the Top 100 of the 1990s.
N-S
Wasn't Paul McCartney's "We all stand together" also re-released in 1985?
Colm
QUOTE(BillyH @ Dec 14 2012, 05:39 PM) *
What a bizarre chart - number 1s from 1984, 1985 *and* 1986 (West End Girls) all in the same top 10!! Has that ever happened again, as in #1s from three different years all in the top 10 at the same time? It's even more feasible now we're in the download years...



1993.12.25

1984 Frank Goes to Hollywood - The Power of Love
1993 Mr.Blobby - Mr. Blobby, plus others
1994 Chaka Demus and Pliers - Twist and Shout
Gezza
QUOTE(N-S @ Dec 15 2012, 05:27 PM) *
Wasn't Paul McCartney's "We all stand together" also re-released in 1985?

Yes it was- although not to much effect.
Robbie
QUOTE(Dasher @ Dec 15 2012, 05:34 PM) *
Yes it was- although not to much effect.
It did make the top 40 in the Christmas chart of 1985 though, which meant that the top 3 singles from Christmas 1984 were all in the top 40 at Christmas 1985. It's the only time this has ever happened.
Coral5
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Coral5
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Gezza



GEZZA’S FOURTH CHRISTMAS CHART- 1988



It wasn’t the favourite, nor the second favourite for that matter, but this was the year that Cliff and Christmas became the same. “Mistletoe & Wine” was first heard by Cliff in Late 1987 but too late to enter the race for the festive chart topper that year so he sat patiently on the record re-writing some of the lyrics to make it more festive. In the week ending 3rd December the odds on the Christmas No 1 were:



9-4 Kylie/ Jason
5-2 Bros
11-4 Cliff Richard
10/1 Bobby McFerrin
12/1 Angry Anderson, U2, Breathe
14/1 Shakin Stevens, Pet Shop Boys
16/1 Phil Collins/ A-ha!/ Erasure

And that week Bros entered at No 2 and Cliff slipped into No 7 a move which, unknown at the time, probably played a massive part in Cliff beating Kylie and Jason that year. At the time top of the pops had a massive effect on the charts and performing virtually guaranteed that your track would go up the charts and both Cliff and Bros performed that week whilst Kylie and Jason couldn’t as they were still to chart. Bros, being frontloaded and largely fanbase by this point, retreated to No 4 whilst Cliff sprang 7-1 beating Kylie and Jason thanks to his TOTP exposure. Once No 1 of course then the publicity would kick in and sales would accelerate away from the competition, this of course meant that weekly TOTP performances would be guaranteed for him whilst Kylie/ Jason, who were stuck at No 2, would only be played every other week as was the rule. In truth, that “Especially For You” kept up so well with Cliff is a surprise and the total of 165k would have been enough for a No 1 in any other week that year.

1- MISTLETOE & WINE- Cliff Richard (210,000)
2- ESPECIALLY FOR YOU- Kylie Minogue & Jason Donovan (165,000)
3- CRACKERS INTERNATIONAL E.P- Erasure (77,000)
4- SUDDENLY- Angry Anderson (75,000)
5- BURNING BRIDGES (ON AND OFF AND ON AGAIN)- Status Quo (59,000)
6- GOOD LIFE- Inner City (53,000)
7- BUFFALO STANCE- Neneh Cherry (51,000)
8- CAT AMONG THE PIGEONS/ SILENT NIGHT- Bros (47,000)
9- LOCO IN ACAPULCO- Four Tops (42,000)
10- TWO HEARTS- Phil Collins (41,000)

justinthomas92
God, Cliff is awful. I can't think of one of his songs I actually like
Hocus Pokus
1988 was the worst top 10 ever apart from Erasure, Kylie & Jason, and Inner Life
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