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 21st September 2017, 06:09 AM
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 Paul Hyett
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/18...-murder-charge/
Opinions? IMO if someone breaks into your home, they are fair game, even if you have to use an illegal weapon to deal with them! |
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21st September 2017, 07:39 AM
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 I'm so lonely, I paid a hobo to spoon with me
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Death is not an appropriate punishment for burglary.
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21st September 2017, 09:06 AM
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Paul Hyett
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QUOTE(Soy Adrián @ Sep 21 2017, 08:39 AM)  Death is not an appropriate punishment for burglary. Not for the courts to hand out, no - but this was about self-defence. If you honestly believe your life is in danger, you are allowed to defend yourself by any means necessary. This post has been edited by vidcapper: 21st September 2017, 09:06 AM |
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21st September 2017, 09:25 AM
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This is not America though, he was owning a gun illegally, and self-defence shouldn't be a justification for killing - he deserves jail time.
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21st September 2017, 09:31 AM
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Paul Hyett
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QUOTE(danG @ Sep 21 2017, 10:25 AM) This is not America though, he was owning a gun illegally, and self-defence shouldn't be a justification for killing - he deserves jail time. He probably will get jail time for illegal gun possession, but not for killing in self-defence, since that is something that you can't premeditate - it just happens accidentally. |
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21st September 2017, 10:03 AM
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Using lethal force to defend property is not a legally acceptable defence for murder or manslaughter and he will rightfully go to jail.
Being burgled is horrid but the offender should be rehabilitated, not f***ing killed. If you end someone's life, you go to jail. End of discussion |
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21st September 2017, 10:27 AM
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Paul Hyett
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QUOTE(5 Silas Frøkner @ Sep 21 2017, 11:03 AM) Using lethal force to defend property is not a legally acceptable defence for murder or manslaughter and he will rightfully go to jail. But is wasn't *just* property, it was himself & his sister. QUOTE Being burgled is horrid but the offender should be rehabilitated, not f***ing killed. If you end someone's life, you go to jail. End of discussion If *all* that happens is that you are being burgled, I'd agree with you - but if they attack you (as I believe happened in the case in point), are you supposed to let yourself be killed? If you *can* escape, you are supposed to, but in a caravan with the only door blocked by the intruder, that's not an option. This post has been edited by vidcapper: 21st September 2017, 10:33 AM |
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21st September 2017, 10:43 AM
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My god you should move to the U.s
You are crazily right wing |
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21st September 2017, 02:04 PM
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Paul Hyett
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QUOTE(MoistSummerFruit @ Sep 21 2017, 11:43 AM) My god you should move to the U.s You are crazily right wing What, just for saying people are entitled to defend themselves? |
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21st September 2017, 02:34 PM
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Queen of Soon
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I don't have an issue with fighting back and defending yourself. I have an issue with lethal force being used in that process. Firearms are fortunately illegal for the most part here and that means that a scenario where you would be significantly disadvantaged is unlikely to occur.
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21st September 2017, 02:34 PM
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I'm so lonely, I paid a hobo to spoon with me
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Defending yourself is one thing - doing so with an illegal firearm is a bit different.
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22nd September 2017, 07:55 AM
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People are entitled to defend themselves, but they aren't entitled to kill, for good reason. If someone hit me and I killed them, I wouldn't be able to just pass it off as self defence, and rightfully so.
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22nd September 2017, 10:05 AM
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Paul Hyett
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QUOTE(Qassändra @ Sep 22 2017, 08:55 AM) People are entitled to defend themselves, but they aren't entitled to kill, for good reason. If someone hit me and I killed them, I wouldn't be able to just pass it off as self defence, and rightfully so. Indeed - and that's why the issue of proportional force is a factor in the CPS deciding whether claims of self-defence are legitimate. If an intruder hits you, and you hit him back, knocking him unconscious, that would be OK - but if you then beat the shit out of him while he's lying helpless, that would be counted as excessive force, and you'd be in big trouble! |
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