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Crazy Chris-tmas
MP Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown has been ordered to go home by the party after being involved in a punch-up with security after he forgot his pass and wasn't allowed in to the conference. Armed police rushed over fearing a terrorist attack.


According to parliamentary sketch writer John Crace, the MP is now being held by police.

He wrote on Twitter: ‘The treasurer of the 1922 committee, Geoffrey Clifton-Brown, has been held by police after an incident in the International Lounge at the Tory party conference."


Latest is he's been released without charge and told to go home but is reportedly not happy. Surely tight security is there for a purpose. They didn't know who he was. He wasn't a well-known face and had no security badge. Fighting with security is disgraceful. What kind of message does it show? Hope the public don't begin to think the Tories are just a bunch of thugs. sad.gif
December Dong
They are a bunch of thugs, charlatans, toffs, liars and disco citizens snobs.
Suedehead2
Even if he was better known, it would be no excuse. Everyone attending a party conference has to have a pass with a photo. Those rules apply to everybody. Many years ago, Paddy Ashdown was denied entry to the Lib Dem conference because he didn't have his pass. In his case, he laughed about it and went back to get it.
December Dong
Just shows the disco citizens posh snob entitelement the Tories have. They are the lords and masters and the rest of us are plebs forced to flee from their very presence.

Remember the thug who forced the climate protestor out violently? The protrstor wearing a floral summery slip? He grunted about her "ruining ma dinnah!" like a neanderthal. They're just cowardly thugs.
Tawdry Hepburn
I guess thank Christ the Home Secretary today has promised to "come after the thugs, gangs, and criminals who make law-abiding people's lives a misery". I feel reassured he'll be dealt with accordingly.
Crazy Chris-tmas
QUOTE(Algernon Monqueef @ Oct 1 2019, 04:28 PM) *
Remember the thug who forced the climate protestor out violently? The protrstor wearing a floral summery slip? He grunted about her "ruining ma dinnah!" like a neanderthal. They're just cowardly thugs.



Yes I was just thinking of her.
Crazy Chris-tmas
QUOTE(Tawdry Hepburn @ Oct 1 2019, 04:30 PM) *
I guess thank Christ the Home Secretary today has promised to "come after the thugs, gangs, and criminals who make law-abiding people's lives a misery". I feel reassured he'll be dealt with accordingly.



I read that as Thank Chris at first. rotf.gif
5 Silas Frøkner
Not surprised the cops were on him quick, I think every Cop in Greater Manchester is within a 50 metre radius of GMEX. Great couple of days to commit a crime.


Not that GMP actually investigate crimes anymore thanks to the Tories gutting their ranks. Still enough to flood the city centre tho. Feel so safe with all the openly carrying armed cops about (not)
vidsanta
QUOTE(Algernon Monqueef @ Oct 1 2019, 04:26 PM) *
They are a bunch of thugs, charlatans, toffs, liars and disco citizens snobs.


Why do you keep using the phrase 'landed-gentry' when you know it will be auto-altered to 'disco citizens'... laugh.gif
vidsanta
QUOTE(Common Sense @ Oct 1 2019, 04:18 PM) *
MP Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown has been ordered to go home by the party after being involved in a punch-up with security after he forgot his pass and wasn't allowed in to the conference. Armed police rushed over fearing a terrorist attack.
According to parliamentary sketch writer John Crace, the MP is now being held by police.

Surely tight security is there for a purpose. They didn't know who he was. He wasn't a well-known face and had no security badge. Fighting with security is disgraceful. What kind of message does it show? Hope the public don't begin to think the Tories are just a bunch of thugs. sad.gif


I doubt anyone will base their opinion on the whole Tory party, on just one incident (with the exception of AQ, of course). wink.gif

Crazy Chris-tmas
Well hopefully they won't as there's good and bad everywhere. He may have been stressed. We all get those days.
vidsanta
QUOTE(Common Sense @ Oct 2 2019, 08:26 AM) *
Well hopefully they won't as there's good and bad everywhere. He may have been stressed. We all get those days.


Some more than others - remoaners perhaps? teresa.gif
Tawdry Hepburn
QUOTE(Common Sense @ Oct 2 2019, 08:26 AM) *
Well hopefully they won't as there's good and bad everywhere. He may have been stressed. We all get those days.


Infuriatingly I just know for absolute cast-iron fact you'd have a different tune entirely if it was a non-Tory who did the same thing.
Crazy Chris-tmas
QUOTE(vidcapper @ Oct 2 2019, 08:58 AM) *
Some more than others - remoaners perhaps? teresa.gif



Well yes. smile.gif
mald487
QUOTE(Common Sense @ Oct 2 2019, 07:26 AM) *
Well hopefully they won't as there's good and bad everywhere. He may have been stressed. We all get those days.


I don't get into punch ups with people when I "get stressed".
mald487
QUOTE(vidcapper @ Oct 2 2019, 07:58 AM) *
Some more than others - remoaners perhaps? teresa.gif


Yawn.
vidsanta
QUOTE(Tawdry Hepburn @ Oct 2 2019, 09:30 AM) *
Infuriatingly I just know for absolute cast-iron fact you'd have a different tune entirely if it was a non-Tory who did the same thing.


I might *think* it, but I wouldn't care enough to actually post about it.
Tawdry Hepburn
QUOTE(vidcapper @ Oct 2 2019, 10:10 AM) *
I might *think* it, but I wouldn't care enough to actually post about it.


Still evidence of double standards, whether you choose to express it or not.
JingleBellJüpes
Assault = sent home. Where are the charges?
Crazy Chris-tmas
QUOTE(TheJüpreme @ Oct 3 2019, 02:47 PM) *
Assault = sent home. Where are the charges?



He wasn't charged. Just sent home.
JingleBellJüpes
Exactly. Bullshit.
vidsanta
QUOTE(Tawdry Hepburn @ Oct 2 2019, 12:48 PM) *
Still evidence of double standards, whether you choose to express it or not.


Everyone has double standards - ISTM I'm just more honest about them...
December Dong
No. You're just a hypocrite, like the right wing and right wing media x
Crazy Chris-tmas
QUOTE(TheJüpreme @ Oct 3 2019, 07:38 PM) *
Exactly. Bullshit.



Why is it? Not everyone taken to the cop shop is charged. Often they're let off or let off with a caution if it's a minor thing.
December Dong
Especially if they are posh rich and part of the Tory estanlishment!
Crazy Chris-tmas
QUOTE(Algernon Monqueef @ Oct 4 2019, 02:02 PM) *
Especially if they are posh rich and part of the Tory estanlishment!



No, ordinary plebs too. Sometimes it's not worth pressing charges or the aggrieved party may not want to press charges.
December Dong
And yet the rich make laws for the poor to abide by that the rich then flaut. And you are here doffing your cap to them!!
Crazy Chris-tmas
Laws are for us all though. The law doesn't differentiate between poor and rich. It would be chaos if it did.
December Dong
Oh really? And yet Tory mps go on about taking coke, Bojo took it too, the sewers under London are contaminated with it, and yet the poor are SMASHED and thrown away if they do the same. That's just ONE EXAMPLE. Benefits mistake? Jail for 5 years. Failure to declare millions in houses, etc, oh, just a posh boy error, hur hurr!
December Dong
Rich make the laws for the rest of us to follow. Every time you support Tory, you support the existence of an elite estbalishment class who are above the law.
Tawdry Hepburn
I feel like Michael has a point though, his privilege is probably why this toerag evaded being arrested and given (at least) a caution. and probably why Boris Johnson isn't being tried for treason
Holly and Izzy
Remember Mark Field? Never got formally charged for assault. Yet someone throws a milkshake on Farage and you'd best believe the law is ready to make him pay a fine.

If anything, public servants should be held to greater standards of scrutiny. But there's countless examples from just the Tory leadership contest this year alone that show that their misdemeanours are treated differently.
Crazy Chris-tmas
QUOTE(Tawdry Hepburn @ Oct 4 2019, 02:22 PM) *
I feel like Michael has a point though, his privilege is probably why this toerag evaded being arrested and given (at least) a caution. and probably why Boris Johnson isn't being tried for treason



Well yes maybe he has a point. I mean Prince Philip too. Wonder if a mere pleb would have been charged with something then. Didn't they say the sun was in his eyes or something but am sure others have proved it couldn't have been that day.
Holly and Izzy
For all Michael's rantings about the landed g*ntry, there's a large element of the truth to Conservatives being out-of-touch elites who have always had their money ready to get them out of any trouble they may find themselves in. As a party, it's structured to attract the sort of people who are only in politics to get more power for its own sake. Which sadly drowns out any of the proper conservatives, the sort you can disagree with while still accepting that they may want the best for the country in a different way. Ken Clarke, the now resigned Rory Stewart, that lot, most of who no longer have the whip.

That they manage to call liberals and the left out of touch is clear projection. It's a phenomenon that I only see working from conservatives to liberals/left and rarely the other way around, they accuse the other side of all the things they are doing themselves. Clearly most of the Conservative male MPs are still stuck several decades ago as far as gender roles and aggressiveness goes, it goes hand in hand with this desire for power.
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