What about Pop Idol 2 winner Michelles first single that didnt sell very well nor did the first X Factor winner Steve Brookstein his single didnt sell very well, not to mention Leon as has been mentioned. So the argument saying leona etc singles only sold well because they were launched on these shows is flawed!

Bleeding love sold as much as it has, beacuse of the song, and Leona. It isn't all owed to the fact she won X Factor the previous year. People are making out that Bleeding love's success was easily achived because of its 'links' with the show, this is rubbish! As it has already been said look at Shayne/Steve B/Leon's follow up's, anything close to a million selling single??? NO! just admit it

 

Yeah she had exposure from X Factor, and promoted on there (do you exclude anyone that does that??) but ultimately the song sold 900,000+ copies beacuse of the SONG.

 

IMO it may have sold perhaps 600k for the song, but the rest due to the XF connection.

 

IMO it may have sold perhaps 600k for the song, but the rest due to the XF connection.

 

All theory though. Absurd. Did X Factor sell 300k+ of Don't Call This Love? No.

 

 

Bleeding love sold as much as it has, beacuse of the song, and Leona. It isn't all owed to the fact she won X Factor the previous year. People are making out that Bleeding love's success was easily achived because of its 'links' with the show, this is rubbish! As it has already been said look at Shayne/Steve B/Leon's follow up's, anything close to a million selling single??? NO! just admit it

 

Yeah she had exposure from X Factor, and promoted on there (do you exclude anyone that does that??) but ultimately the song sold 900,000+ copies beacuse of the SONG.

 

If not Kylie Minogue is excluded from that list..because Kylie Minogue appeared on Neighbours and people know her from that.... <_< :rolleyes:

 

I don't think anyone is saying it only did well because of X Factor, but the connection gave her sales a boost. Selling a million is a major achievement, even for X Factor winners promoting on X Factor, but it isn't as big an achievement as it would be for an artist who hasn't had that kind of boost.

 

And you are partially right about Kylie and Neighbours, so you could argue that her sales of her duet with Jason Donovan "Especially For You" might not have sold as well as it did if their on screen characters hadn't just got married. However, by the time Can't Get You Out of My Head sold a million, Kylie was a pop star who got her break thanks to Neighbours, but the song did well in its own right. Of course it can be argued that some of the people who bought CGYOMH were original Neighbours fans, but not all of those fans bought all of her singles in such high volumes, which proves that it was that particular recording of that song that interested people.

 

 

Some 'X Factor' connected Singles & Albums sell better than others. But, few

of them would really get to No.1, if it wasn't for the hype & publicity that the

Show gives them. Leona Lewis released the best ever 'X Factor' connected Single,

with 'Bleeding Love', in my view. But, the fact that she'd Won the Show, a Year

earlier, gave that Single an extra boost. (It didn't work for some other 'X Factor'

Winners - they, & their Singles, just weren't good enough, to keep giving them big Hits).

 

Kylie was already famous when she had her first UK Hits in 1988, but by the late 1990's

she'd not had a truly huge Hit for a while. 'Can't Get You Out Of My Head' got to No.1

on merit. It was her best Single in ages. People realised that, & it sold a UK Million.

(Her resurgence really began in 2000 - 2001 was just even better for her).

 

Susan Boyle may well have a Million Selling Album, & maybe a No.1 Single - due to

the hype over 'Britain's Got Talent'. However, I don't think that she will be a long term

Act. She will have a big 1st Album, maybe a less big 2nd one - but, I think the novelty

will have worn off by Album No.3. (The novelty being that looking at her, you don't

expect her voice to be as good as it is. But, Acts based on novelty & surprise,

never last - they soon become 'Last Year's Thing', to most people).

 

I hope to see more Acts getting Million Sellers, due to merit, in the future - and

not just because they got attention & fame via UK Talent Shows.....

 

I'm an ABBA Fan, & they got to No.1 with the 1974 ESC Winner. However, they

had to fight to get back into the UK Top 10, (the Top 30, even), & their Singles had

to get stronger & better, before 'SOS' got to No.6, 18 Months later. So, ABBA carried

on having Hits, due to merit - not because they Won Eurovision in 1974. (Anyhow,

'Waterloo' got to No.6 in the USA - due to merit. The fact that it had Won the ESC meant

nothing in the USA).

Well it's a controversial issue I know, but at the end of the day people didn't have to go out and buy any record whatsoever, sure some may have been boosted by charity and by shows but at the end of the day people have to go out and spend their cold hard cash on it! Oh and I also hope that "Poker Face" makes it soon <3

The TRUTH is that many 'X Factor' Winner No.1's would have got there no matter what

Song was Covered or written. Most of them will never, ever go down as 'Classics', in

the Decades to come. Because they were rather ordinary or weak. Like 'That's My

Goal' - a Westlife Reject! Even they felt it was naff! It sold over a Million because

Shayne Ward had Won the 'X Factor' - had he tried to sell even 100,000 of it - on

pure merit - it would have heavily struggled to get there....

Edited September 27, 200915 yr by zeus555

Some 'X Factor' connected Singles & Albums sell better than others. But, few

of them would really get to No.1, if it wasn't for the hype & publicity that the

Show gives them. Leona Lewis released the best ever 'X Factor' connected Single,

with 'Bleeding Love', in my view. But, the fact that she'd Won the Show, a Year

earlier, gave that Single an extra boost. (It didn't work for some other 'X Factor'

Winners - they, & their Singles, just weren't good enough, to keep giving them big Hits).

 

Kylie was already famous when she had her first UK Hits in 1988, but by the late 1990's

she'd not had a truly huge Hit for a while. 'Can't Get You Out Of My Head' got to No.1

on merit. It was her best Single in ages. People realised that, & it sold a UK Million.

(Her resurgence really began in 2000 - 2001 was just even better for her).

 

Susan Boyle may well have a Million Selling Album, & maybe a No.1 Single - due to

the hype over 'Britain's Got Talent'. However, I don't think that she will be a long term

Act. She will have a big 1st Album, maybe a less big 2nd one - but, I think the novelty

will have worn off by Album No.3. (The novelty being that looking at her, you don't

expect her voice to be as good as it is. But, Acts based on novelty & surprise,

never last - they soon become 'Last Year's Thing', to most people).

 

I hope to see more Acts getting Million Sellers, due to merit, in the future - and

not just because they got attention & fame via UK Talent Shows.....

 

I'm an ABBA Fan, & they got to No.1 with the 1974 ESC Winner. However, they

had to fight to get back into the UK Top 10, (the Top 30, even), & their Singles had

to get stronger & better, before 'SOS' got to No.6, 18 Months later. So, ABBA carried

on having Hits, due to merit - not because they Won Eurovision in 1974. (Anyhow,

'Waterloo' got to No.6 in the USA - due to merit. The fact that it had Won the ESC meant

nothing in the USA).

I assume you agree with the earlier poster who said that it takes about three years to break free of the "talent show winner" label.

 

Your example of Abba is a good one. They are the only non-British Eurovision winners to have gone on to achieve major success over here. OK so they may not have had the chance without Eurovision but the length of their success owed more to the fact that they wrote some brilliant pop songs than anything else.

 

I'm excluding Celine Dion from this. Not because I can't stand anything she's ever done but because i) her Eurovision winner didn't make the charts here and ii) by the time she achieved chart success over here, her Eurovision win four years earlier had largely been forgotten.

The TRUTH is that many 'X Factor' Winner No.1's would have got there no matter what

Song was Covered or written. Most of them will never, ever go down as 'Classics', in

the Decades to come. Because they were rather ordinary or weak. Like 'That's My

Goal' - a Westlife Reject! Even they felt it was naff! It sold over a Million because

Shayne Ward had Won the 'X Factor' - had he tried to sell even 100,000 of it - on

pure merit - it would have heavily struggled to get there....

 

The question that needs to be asked is - how well would 'Bleeding Love' have sold, if Leona had been a new artist arriving on the scene in the normal way?

 

To me, the answer to that is : It would most likely have still been a number 1, but I doubt it would have sold more than half as much.

 

 

The question that needs to be asked is - how well would 'Bleeding Love' have sold, if Leona had been a new artist arriving on the scene in the normal way?

 

To me, the answer to that is : It would most likely have still been a number 1, but I doubt it would have sold more than half as much.

 

Yet the counter argument to this is, it was the biggest selling single in the United States in 2008. Had huge success all over the world.

 

If anything given the recent explosion of download sales in the last two years, we're perhaps undervaluing how much it did sell in the UK.