October 28, 200915 yr from the BNP manifesto Deport all the two million plus who are here illegally - FULLY 100% agree Deport all those who commit crimes and whose original nationality was not British - Absolutely, common sense Review all recent grants of residence or citizenship to ensure they are still appropriate - Again common sense Offer generous grants to those of foreign descent resident here who wish to leave permanently - Good idea, those that have a good living here and are hard working would stay, freeloaders and scroungers would love the handout Stop all new immigration except for exceptional cases - Absolutely, we should bring in the Australian style points system as the SOLE source of new immigration Reject all asylum seekers who passed safe countries on their way to Britain - 100% agree, they have to fly across several European nations to reach here let them get off at one of those countries Those policies are not racist they are pure common sense and practical, any of the mainstream parties bought them in they would get my vote, I will not support the BNP because they have a hidden neo nazi agenda but their published immigration policies are good with pretty sensible policies like this...THIS is why the bnp are collecting votes from 'middle britain'... these are the sort of policies that the main parties should be entertaining albeit slightly modified.
October 28, 200915 yr Author oh and just what are we then?..... i think that after a thousand years plus most of us can refer to ourselves as 'indiginous'... :mellow: OK I know as a youngster especially I'm not really allowed to disagree with you in this forum but seriously WTF? You are basically taking the word's out of Griffin's mouth without any considering of the following factors: 1- The Scientific evidence that human life started in AFRICA. 2 - How the fuck are black-born britons any less important than white born britons? I may not have conducted a survey but I would hazard a guess that ALOT of black families have been here for longer generations that some white families, I couldnt possibly tell you if my heritage dates back in Britain to 1000 years, infact I'm pretty sure it doesnt. 3 - You're basically spouting racial hatred by calling whites better than blacks, and this alongside your claim that the BNP's policies are 'sensible' are reasons why I HAVE CALLED YOU A FUCKING BNP SUPPORTER IN THIS TOPIC. And I know there are plenty of people who agree with me, but dont want to post because it seems nobody can express a viewpoint. And while we're at it, dont preach at me just because I'm YOUNG, just because im less than half your age it doesn't make my opinion any less valid. I may not have lived in a society for very long with a strong ethnic minority vibe, but I still stand for the fact that everyone should be EQUAL, especially those BORN HERE, which brings me back to my original question, HOW ARE BRITISH BORN BLACKS/MUSLIMS/WHATEVER ANY LESS BRITISH THAN YOU OR I JUST BECAUSE THEY ARENT WHITE? Through saying whites are indignous youre basically agreeing with Griffin wanting to give Britain back to it's 'ancestral' whites, which is quite frankly bullsh!t.
October 28, 200915 yr :mellow: OK I know as a youngster especially I'm not really allowed to disagree with you in this forum but seriously WTF? You are basically taking the word's out of Griffin's mouth without any considering of the following factors: 1- The Scientific evidence that human life started in AFRICA. 2 - How the fuck are black-born britons any less important than white born britons? I may not have conducted a survey but I would hazard a guess that ALOT of black families have been here for longer generations that some white families, I couldnt possibly tell you if my heritage dates back in Britain to 1000 years, infact I'm pretty sure it doesnt. 3 - You're basically spouting racial hatred by calling whites better than blacks, and this alongside your claim that the BNP's policies are 'sensible' are reasons why I HAVE CALLED YOU A FUCKING BNP SUPPORTER IN THIS TOPIC. And I know there are plenty of people who agree with me, but dont want to post because it seems nobody can express a viewpoint. And while we're at it, dont preach at me just because I'm YOUNG, just because im less than half your age it doesn't make my opinion any less valid. I may not have lived in a society for very long with a strong ethnic minority vibe, but I still stand for the fact that everyone should be EQUAL, especially those BORN HERE, which brings me back to my original question, HOW ARE BRITISH BORN BLACKS/MUSLIMS/WHATEVER ANY LESS BRITISH THAN YOU OR I JUST BECAUSE THEY ARENT WHITE? Through saying whites are indignous youre basically agreeing with Griffin wanting to give Britain back to it's 'ancestral' whites, which is quite frankly bullsh!t. What Griffin said is true though, the originals in this country and subsequent generations till not that long ago were white so the indigenous Briton is a white person, the ethnic population are settlers or born in Britain families of settlers who came over from Africa or Asia or the Carribean, it is not racist to say that the indigenous population is white its a FACT and it is not racist to say it, the BNP spoksman who gave the Ashley Cole example was spot on, Cole while born in the UK is not an indigenous Briton he is the descent of settlers, how common were blacks and asians in victorian times ? how common were blacks and asians during Henry 8th and Elizabeth 1st, how many black faces are there from the Battle of Hastings ? Indigenous Brits are white and any attempt to change that is rewriting history
October 28, 200915 yr Take Australia for example, who is the indigenous population there ? the aboriginies are, the whites who make up the bulk of the country are the descendants of settlers, I could not keep a straight face and tell people that the indigenous population of Australia was white so why is it racist to say that the indigenous population of Britain is white when it is not racist to say the indigenous population of Australia is black ? its just common sense and history, the blacks and asians are the settlers in the UK and the whites are in Australia
October 28, 200915 yr Take Australia for example, who is the indigenous population there ? the aboriginies are, the whites who make up the bulk of the country are the descendants of settlers, I could not keep a straight face and tell people that the indigenous population of Australia was white so why is it racist to say that the indigenous population of Britain is white when it is not racist to say the indigenous population of Australia is black ? its just common sense and history, the blacks and asians are the settlers in the UK and the whites are in Australia As you know full well, the point of contention isn't whether the term "indigenous" can technically be applied to white Britons. The point is that you and Mushymanrob have, by using the term indigenous, been implying that white people have a higher priority in the direction of this country, just because of their skin colour or "ancestry". That is extremely racist, of course it is. This isn't a debate you can win on technicalities. The point is that, regardless of whether white Britons are technically "indigenous", it is completely and utterly irrelevant.
October 28, 200915 yr As you know full well, the point of contention isn't whether the term "indigenous" can technically be applied to white Britons. The point is that you and Mushymanrob have, by using the term indigenous, been implying that white people have a higher priority in the direction of this country, just because of their skin colour or "ancestry". That is extremely racist, of course it is. This isn't a debate you can win on technicalities. The point is that, regardless of whether white Britons are technically "indigenous", it is completely and utterly irrelevant. I believe in equality, blacks and whites and asians etc should have the same rights, the same freedom of movement, the same right to earn a living, the right to vote, I do not consider blacks or asians etc to be some inferior species but I consider blacks to be afro carribeans and africans regardless of whether they were born here or not, I consider asians to be asians regardless of whether they were born here or not etc but what I can't call them is true Britons, they are settlers/descendants from settlers (as am I) the true indigenous Britons can only be white and have white ancestry traced back hundreds/thousands of years
October 28, 200915 yr I believe in equality, blacks and whites and asians etc should have the same rights, the same freedom of movement, the same right to earn a living, the right to vote, I do not consider blacks or asians etc to be some inferior species but I consider blacks to be afro carribeans and africans regardless of whether they were born here or not, I consider asians to be asians regardless of whether they were born here or not etc but what I can't call them is true Britons, they are settlers/descendants from settlers (as am I) the true indigenous Britons can only be white and have white ancestry traced back hundreds/thousands of years Among other things, you have suggested children or grandchildren of immigrants should be offered grants to go back to "where they came from".
October 28, 200915 yr Among other things, you have suggested children or grandchildren of immigrants should be offered grants to go back to "where they came from". No, It would be purely on a voluntary basis and would apply only to people who were not born here
October 28, 200915 yr No, It would be purely on a voluntary basis and would apply only to people who were not born here The latter point is not what the BNP espouse! :P
October 28, 200915 yr with pretty sensible policies like this...THIS is why the bnp are collecting votes from 'middle britain'... these are the sort of policies that the main parties should be entertaining albeit slightly modified. I have yet to see a response to my critique of these policies...
October 28, 200915 yr Offer generous grants to those of foreign descent resident here who wish to leave permanently - Good idea, those that have a good living here and are hard working would stay, freeloaders and scroungers would love the handout This is what you said. It explicitly refers to people born in Britain but descended from non-Brits. You've also said Muslims "always" cheer for Pakistan in cricket, and that they have no right to do so... don't think I even need to point out what's disgusting about that.
October 28, 200915 yr ...but we are the smallestcountry, i suspect that if the percentage of migrants was timesed by the square mileage , the uk would be the most densely populated. Migration watch have provided evidence to show that is factually correct. In addition taken as a separate entity England is the most densely populated country (with a population above 10 million) in the world.
October 28, 200915 yr The latter point is not what the BNP espouse! :P I have never been a BNP supporter nor will I ever be B) If I set up a party and had my own manifesto drawn up my immigration policy would be based upon theirs but structured differently such as the example I gave of only applying to people born outside of this country
October 28, 200915 yr such as the example I gave of only applying to people born outside of this country You flagged up the policy of offering these grants to "foreign DESCENT residents" and called it a good idea.
October 28, 200915 yr Migration watch have provided evidence to show that is factually correct. In addition taken as a separate entity England is the most densely populated country (with a population above 10 million) in the world. Incorrect ;) The third most densely populated - Bangladesh with 153 million people in an area half the size of the UK is first, South Korea is second IIRC...
October 28, 200915 yr This is what you said. It explicitly refers to people born in Britain but descended from non-Brits. You've also said Muslims "always" cheer for Pakistan in cricket, and that they have no right to do so... don't think I even need to point out what's disgusting about that. I really can't see anywhere where it says or implies anything to do with people born in Britain :huh: :huh: If that is your interpretation of it then that is up to you but it is so wide of the mark it is embarrassing Lenny Henry once said he was told by a yob to "f*** off back to where you came from" to which he replied "that would be Dudley then" , why would I even think of offering Lenny Henry resettlement when he was born and lived his life in Dudley :wacko:
October 28, 200915 yr I really can't see anywhere where it says or implies anything to do with people born in Britain :huh: :huh: If that is your interpretation of it then that is up to you but it is so wide of the mark it is embarrassing Again, you're trying to score points on technicalities. It's very clear in the context that that policy is referring to not just immigrants, but descendants of immigrants, as you are totally aware. And at the time you originally posted that, I said what my interpretation of your post was and challenged you on it, and you did not dispute my interpretation, which makes me think you totally knew what you were saying. Edited October 28, 200915 yr by Danny
October 28, 200915 yr Take Australia for example, who is the indigenous population there ? the aboriginies are, the whites who make up the bulk of the country are the descendants of settlers, I could not keep a straight face and tell people that the indigenous population of Australia was white so why is it racist to say that the indigenous population of Britain is white when it is not racist to say the indigenous population of Australia is black ? its just common sense and history, the blacks and asians are the settlers in the UK and the whites are in Australia :rofl: Who are the settlers in the UK who are "rightfully" indigenious? Is it the Celts or the Gallics who invaded pre Roman Empire? Is it the Romans who invaded Britain in the first century AD? Is it the Saxons, Angles and Jutes who invaded Britain from Northern Germany, Denmark, and Holland between 450 to 650 AD? Is it the Vikings who came from Norway, Denmark, and Scandinavia from 793AD until the 11th century? Is it the Normans who came from Northern France in the 11th century onwards? etc. What a load of $h!t regarding indigenious population. The UK was not some unpopulated territory of the new world like Australia or the Americas. Therefore the UK has not had an indigenious population since the late bronze age (c. 1200 BC).
October 28, 200915 yr Again, you're trying to score points on technicalities. It's very clear in the context that that policy is referring to not just immigrants, but descendants of immigrants, as you are totally aware. The BNP think that yes, the BNP would love everyone with a non white face out of the country, I neither support the BNP, belong to the BNP, have any intention of voting for the BNP nor am I a BNP representative or spokesman but I by and large agree with their immigration manifesto bar the obvious resettlement part which I would only apply to those born outside of this country
October 28, 200915 yr Incorrect ;) The third most densely populated - Bangladesh with 153 million people in an area half the size of the UK is first, South Korea is second IIRC... Typp error I was referring to Europe where we have overtaken the Netherlands for a country with a significant land mass.
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