... having traditions curtailed by the pc brigade, like ive already said in the other thread, no mention of 'christmas' in briminghams festive decorations, lyrics of inoccuous nursery rhymes being changed by the heroic pc brigade (note im not blaming migrants here), the suggestion that we should now adopt other religions bank holidays, the ridiculous suggestion by danny that to be suportive of cricket on the green, afternoon teas, sunday roast, jam and jerusalem and the notion that being patriotic towards your country (but ethnic groups can do this without criticism <_< ) makes you a xenophobe!

 

mosques? MOSQUES? i know plenty who are offended by mosques here in britain, men who fought in the war for a free country, equality means equality... you try building a church in a muslim country, see where it gets you! .... and thats another thing, church bells being silent in places of immigartion from other religions... church bells have rung out for CENTUARUES here, why should they be silent here?

 

the pc brigade have done a sterling job, for years having a leftist doo gooder education system makes it now almost an offence to be british... brigning up kids to turn their back on our culture.

 

Well, in Hackney I lived about 5 minutes from a Mosque and frankly, didn't even notice the difference.... Didn't pay any mind to it tbh, didn't even notice it was there until someone pointed it out to me.... Now, I live between a Catholic Church and a Hindu Temple... And guess which one I notice more...? The Church because it bloody wakes me up every Sunday morning with its bells..... :lol:

 

This rather silly example that you and Craig keep coming up with about Churches in Muslim countries... Well, for a start, I think there actually ARE some in Turkey... And The Lebanon has a pretty sizeable Christian population.... But, by and large though, there's simply no demand for it in the majority of Islamic countries... Those who go out to work in the Oil Rich Arab states in the oil industry or as Engineers really have no intention of making a life there or taking their families, and the fact that they dont pay taxes there means they dont pay into the system, therefore, how can you actually expect to have a say in what goes on in a society if you have no real stake in it...? Muslims, Hindus, etc, over here, particulary those who are BORN here and those who start up businesses, pay taxes and employ people, almost certainly have a stake in society and therefore have a right to expect a say in things....

 

As for Christmas decorations and X-Mas shop displays... Well, frankly considering it seems to be earlier and earlier every year for these things to go up, you certainly dont have to be an Ethnic minority to find THAT offensive..... It's the 12 DAYS of Christmas, not the 12 WEEKS as it seems to be these days, there shouldn't even BE any decorations or displays til at LEAST the 1st of December IMO.... I would posit that many Christians are also offended by the mindless consumerism associated with X-Mas also.....

thats possibly the most narrow minded bit of nonsense you have EVER posted especially with the posts made on the bnp thread... i KNOW plenty of people who arnt racist but are considering voting bnp because of immigration and the percieved errosion of british culture (yet again) for the examples i gave in that thread.

 

It was actually more a reference to the party itself and its clear links to racism and Nazism....

 

 

 

Not all people who are considering voting for the BNP may be racist but they are f***ing idiots for voting for an organisation with such overtly racist tendencies, even if it is a protest. If they really want to protest then spoil the ballot paper.

 

My thoughts exactly.... Maybe not racists, but certainly stupid.... You want to put in a Protest Vote, then there are certainly other, more rational, options..... Independent candidates for example... Or Greens, Socialists, UKIP (if they're still around...)..... Hell even Monster Raving Loony is a more sane option than the BNP..... :rolleyes:

 

Well, in Hackney I lived about 5 minutes from a Mosque and frankly, didn't even notice the difference.... Didn't pay any mind to it tbh, didn't even notice it was there until someone pointed it out to me.... Now, I live between a Catholic Church and a Hindu Temple... And guess which one I notice more...? The Church because it bloody wakes me up every Sunday morning with its bells..... :lol:

 

This rather silly example that you and Craig keep coming up with about Churches in Muslim countries... Well, for a start, I think there actually ARE some in Turkey... And The Lebanon has a pretty sizeable Christian population.... But, by and large though, there's simply no demand for it in the majority of Islamic countries... Those who go out to work in the Oil Rich Arab states in the oil industry or as Engineers really have no intention of making a life there or taking their families, and the fact that they dont pay taxes there means they dont pay into the system, therefore, how can you actually expect to have a say in what goes on in a society if you have no real stake in it...? Muslims, Hindus, etc, over here, particulary those who are BORN here and those who start up businesses, pay taxes and employ people, almost certainly have a stake in society and therefore have a right to expect a say in things....

 

As for Christmas decorations and X-Mas shop displays... Well, frankly considering it seems to be earlier and earlier every year for these things to go up, you certainly dont have to be an Ethnic minority to find THAT offensive..... It's the 12 DAYS of Christmas, not the 12 WEEKS as it seems to be these days, there shouldn't even BE any decorations or displays til at LEAST the 1st of December IMO.... I would posit that many Christians are also offended by the mindless consumerism associated with X-Mas also.....

 

id fully agree about the timing... but the notion that 'we' cannot use the term 'christmas' in this country is WRONG.

 

My thoughts exactly.... Maybe not racists, but certainly stupid.... You want to put in a Protest Vote, then there are certainly other, more rational, options..... Independent candidates for example... Or Greens, Socialists, UKIP (if they're still around...)..... Hell even Monster Raving Loony is a more sane option than the BNP..... :rolleyes:

 

... but again i have to re-iterate, its the fact that the bnp seem to be picking up on the apparent growing resentment in middle england that makes them the party to use when protesting .... it makes no difference which other minor parties have a more 'pro - english' agenda, its the bloody bnp that have stolen this mood and consequently are being seen as the most pro - british party.

 

i hope the main parties wake up, grow a backbone, and stand hard against the pc lobby who are imho the main cause of most of the tensions here.

id fully agree about the timing... but the notion that 'we' cannot use the term 'christmas' in this country is WRONG.

 

Well, actually Rob, I find it kind of WRONG that the Christian Church came along and sublimated a thousand year old Pagan festival for its own ends.... You do realise that the end of December is actually "Yuletide" and the Winter Solstice don't you....? In the same way that the Christian church also sublimated Samhain (Halloween/All Saints Day as it is now known thanks to Catholicism)

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yule

 

So, you tell me mate, what are our TRUE customs and traditions.....? -_-

Well, actually Rob, I find it kind of WRONG that the Christian Church came along and sublimated a thousand year old Pagan festival for its own ends.... You do realise that the end of December is actually "Yuletide" and the Winter Solstice don't you....? In the same way that the Christian church also sublimated Samhain (Halloween/All Saints Day as it is now known thanks to Catholicism)

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yule

 

So, you tell me mate, what are our TRUE customs and traditions.....? -_-

 

yep it was wrong, and im VERY aware of pagan festivals , however ourpaganism was driven out by the romans in the first centuary ad. they slaughtered the druids and imposed their brand of paganism on the british. when christianity started to arrive in the late roman period it was largely adopted without force. the notion that the naughty christians arrived here and ousted this etherial hippy pagan community is largely myth. both religions ran side by side for many years in saxon times, as early saxons were pagan, unlike that late romans who were christian. just as the saxons were converting to christianity the vikings came and re-introduced paganism..

so christianity is as old as this country, being adopted troughout the first milennia when the united kingdom was formed. after over a thousand years of having a christian based religion as one of the pillars of our culture, (ok there was protestant vs catholic wars but they were both judeao christian )i think it IS now our true custom...

 

yep it was wrong, and im VERY aware of pagan festivals , however ourpaganism was driven out by the romans in the first centuary ad. they slaughtered the druids and imposed their brand of paganism on the british. when christianity started to arrive in the late roman period it was largely adopted without force. the notion that the naughty christians arrived here and ousted this etherial hippy pagan community is largely myth. both religions ran side by side for many years in saxon times, as early saxons were pagan, unlike that late romans who were christian. just as the saxons were converting to christianity the vikings came and re-introduced paganism..

so christianity is as old as this country, being adopted troughout the first milennia when the united kingdom was formed. after over a thousand years of having a christian based religion as one of the pillars of our culture, (ok there was protestant vs catholic wars but they were both judeao christian )i think it IS now our true custom...

 

You forget though, the Roman never did come to Scotland, they were too scared of the Picts and had to build a wall to keep them out..... :lol:

 

I still think that, by and large, this "Christ-Mass" has been enforced upon us... As was All Hallows Eve.... And, now, with regards to Halloween, we have this absolutely insipid bloody "Trick or Treat" rubbish imported from American horror films..... Well, when I was a kid in Scotland, we called that "Guiseing" (as in, to go out in a dis-Guise)......

 

You forget though, the Roman never did come to Scotland, they were too scared of the Picts and had to build a wall to keep them out..... :lol:

 

point taken, i know nothing about the histry of religion up there in that godforsaken land! :P lol. tbh hadrians wall had more to do with logistics then anything... there simply wasnt anything the romans wanted up there bad enough to make invasion worth it.

point taken, i know nothing about the histry of religion up there in that godforsaken land! :P lol. tbh hadrians wall had more to do with logistics then anything... there simply wasnt anything the romans wanted up there bad enough to make invasion worth it.

 

So, why bother building the wall...? Just dont go there.... :lol: The only reason to build the wall is that you're soldiers are being cut to shreds by a bunch of blue-painted, sky-clad lunatics...... :P

 

So, why bother building the wall...? Just dont go there.... :lol: The only reason to build the wall is that you're soldiers are being cut to shreds by a bunch of blue-painted, sky-clad lunatics...... :P

 

'my' soldiers?.... they hadnt arrived yet (im saxon :P ) ... nahhh... the italians just wanted to cage in the ginger, skirt wearing drunks in the wilderness ... :lol:

Like a bad penny, the old Winterval story is back. Like most of these stories, it was mostly a tabloid fabrication. Birmingham City Centre had undergone substantial rebuilding and the City Council wanted to celebrate the re-opening. It happened in the winter so they decided to have a celebration throughout the season under the name Winterval. Yes, it's an ugly name but there you go. At the appropriate time they celebrated Christmas just as they had in previous years and just as they continue to do. Sorry it's a rather dull explanation but the truth often is a good deal more boring than a tabloid story.

Like a bad penny, the old Winterval story is back. Like most of these stories, it was mostly a tabloid fabrication. Birmingham City Centre had undergone substantial rebuilding and the City Council wanted to celebrate the re-opening. It happened in the winter so they decided to have a celebration throughout the season under the name Winterval. Yes, it's an ugly name but there you go. At the appropriate time they celebrated Christmas just as they had in previous years and just as they continue to do. Sorry it's a rather dull explanation but the truth often is a good deal more boring than a tabloid story.

 

my daughter works in birminham... so im going off first hand experience, not tabloid rhetoric.

my daughter works in birminham... so im going off first hand experience, not tabloid rhetoric.

 

So...? That doesn't necessarily mean she's gonna have a clue as to the machinations of Birmingham City politics does it....? I mean, I live in London, so I guess I must be personally privy to every single thing that Boris Johnson plans, eh....? :rolleyes:

 

No, I can buy Suede's explanation tbh.... If they wanted to celebrate a specific thing in a specific way, then obviously they'd call it something, well, specific.... It's a naff name to be sure, but I simply dont buy that there's some kind of fanciful Jihadist conspiracy within local Govts to "kill" Christmas..... I mean, they're not doing a very good job if there WAS, bloody decorations and lights seem to be going up earlier and earlier every year in my manor...... :rolleyes:

 

I simply dont buy that there's some kind of fanciful Jihadist conspiracy within local Govts to "kill" Christmas..... I mean, they're not doing a very good job if there WAS, bloody decorations and lights seem to be going up earlier and earlier every year in my manor...... :rolleyes:

 

im suspicious... time and time again theres talk of removing 'christ' from christmas... christianity is possibly the weakest religion with alot of 'turning the other cheek'.. it wouldnt surprise me at all if stronger religious groups, less tolerant, WOULD want to see the removal of christianity from the festive period...

im suspicious... time and time again theres talk of removing 'christ' from christmas... christianity is possibly the weakest religion with alot of 'turning the other cheek'.. it wouldnt surprise me at all if stronger religious groups, less tolerant, WOULD want to see the removal of christianity from the festive period...

 

The word "Christ" has been removed from Christmas ever since it was abbreviated to "X-Mas", and that was long before any alledged "Islamic" influence within local politics... And, frankly, what the hell DOES "Christmas" even mean anymore mate....? It's sod all to do with religious faith, it's just an excuse these days for mindless consumerism, eating and drinking lots let's face it.... :rolleyes: If you ask me, "Christitanity" has pretty much been excised from the Festive period... And it happened a LONG time ago mate, not only recently.....

 

Anyway, sod Christmas, it's YULE or the Solstice to me, and always will be.... I think it's time we reaffirmed our PAGAN roots and fukk all this imported Christian/Islamist crap.....

The word "Christ" has been removed from Christmas ever since it was abbreviated to "X-Mas", and that was long before any alledged "Islamic" influence within local politics... And, frankly, what the hell DOES "Christmas" even mean anymore mate....? It's sod all to do with religious faith, it's just an excuse these days for mindless consumerism, eating and drinking lots let's face it.... :rolleyes: If you ask me, "Christitanity" has pretty much been excised from the Festive period... And it happened a LONG time ago mate, not only recently.....

 

Anyway, sod Christmas, it's YULE or the Solstice to me, and always will be.... I think it's time we reaffirmed our PAGAN roots and fukk all this imported Christian/Islamist crap.....

 

... yes it has been abbreviated to x mass, but it means the same thing. and i think the religious element is irrelevant, it is christmas and has been as long as the documented word has refered to it.

... yes it has been abbreviated to x mass, but it means the same thing. and i think the religious element is irrelevant, it is christmas and has been as long as the documented word has refered to it.

 

Well, if you think that the religious element is "irrelevant" these days, then what the fukk does it matter what it's called....? Christmas, X-Mas, Winterval, hell why not go back to calling it Yule and celebrate it the Pagan way......? Any and all meaning of significance has been utterly stripped away from it anyway..... Probably even before it was all "Coca-Cola"-ised with their image of "Santa Claus" wearing their Red/White corporate colour scheme..... Which again, has precious little to do with the historical Germanic/Dutch "Sinterklaas" and "Zwarte Piet" upon which it's all based (and THAT, traditionally, has been done on the 5th/6th of December in the Germanic/Rhineland regions).... This has all been totally bast*rdised to the point where I dont think people even know what it is they're actually celebrating... Say what you like about the Muslims mate, at least they know the significance of their Ramadan/Eid....

 

 

 

 

 

Well, if you think that the religious element is "irrelevant" these days, then what the fukk does it matter what it's called....?

 

 

try tradition :rolleyes:

 

as you know, im totally un-religious but whether i like it or not the christian church has been at the heart of creating britain as we know it.

try tradition :rolleyes:

 

as you know, im totally un-religious but whether i like it or not the christian church has been at the heart of creating britain as we know it.

You mean it's all the church's fault?

You mean it's all the church's fault?

 

fault?

 

that the uk lead the world over the last milennia in the development of a fair and just legal system built on the back of christian morals?..