Nevermind the whole anti Simon propaganda (which is quite amusing actually - just highlights how big and important the man is today :) ), why the moderators don't say a thing about the constant swearing and insulting of Grimly Fiendish?

Ok he doesn't like Simon, but whoever it is about, swearing and insults shouldn't be allowed. So thanks to "moderate" this thread aswell...

And the Hitler comparaison aswell, it is an insults to the millions of people dead because of that man and his system, and to their family aswell. The "Hitler" comparaison is getting quite random nowadays and it is in itself a problem, Hitler references shouldn't be something considered as random in everyday conversations.

 

God, you really are precious aren't you.....? It's a bloomin' METAPHOR, and like you've never said a "naughty" word in your life.... :rolleyes:

 

The way in which Cowell uses propaganda and the media to dominate is more or less VERY Stalin/Hitleresque.... Way to just totally miss the point of what I was actually saying..... I'm obvioiusly NOT saying that Cowell is a mass-murderer.... But he IS an arch manipulator and a controller.... He is to Music what Stalin and Hitler were to the political worlds, Thisispop has already on another thread given us and example of his Stalinesque tactics.... I would suggest taking yourself to the thread on Reality TV forum about what Pete Waterman has to say about Cowell..... God, if even Waterman finds Simon Cowell objectionable, I think that speaks bloody volumes in itself.....

^ Indeed and Max Clifford is very much his Joseph Goebbels.

 

Except Max Clifford could give (if still alive today) Joseph Goebbels a few tips.

God, you really are precious aren't you.....? It's a bloomin' METAPHOR, and like you've never said a "naughty" word in your life.... :rolleyes:

 

The way in which Cowell uses propaganda and the media to dominate is more or less VERY Stalin/Hitleresque.... Way to just totally miss the point of what I was actually saying..... I'm obvioiusly NOT saying that Cowell is a mass-murderer.... But he IS an arch manipulator and a controller.... He is to Music what Stalin and Hitler were to the political worlds, Thisispop has already on another thread given us and example of his Stalinesque tactics.... I would suggest taking yourself to the thread on Reality TV forum about what Pete Waterman has to say about Cowell..... God, if even Waterman finds Simon Cowell objectionable, I think that speaks bloody volumes in itself.....

 

A "naughty" world? We could quite make the official list of swearing words just with your posts in this thread. I'm not being precious, I'm just asking you to moderate your language from now on. Because you're clever enough to make yourself clear without swearing, and because swearing is simply not allowed on this forum, end of.

 

And the Waterman thing... since when Waterman has a valuable opinion about stuff, and especially Cowell? The two are not particulary friends so it's no surprise to see him criticising Simon Cowell.

 

And for the Hitler/Stalin comparaison again, I stand by my opinion, I think it shouldn't be used, really. English language is rich enough for you to express yourself and your ideas without using some bold and borderline comparaisons.

Edited December 6, 200915 yr by Bert for Lashes

I bet the people campaigning for this to be Xmas #1 are the same people who at any other time of year claim they hate chart music and couldnt give a $h!t what was in the chart?

They're talking about it on Radio 1!

A "naughty" world? We could quite make the official list of swearing words just with your posts in this thread. I'm not being precious, I'm just asking you to moderate your language from now on. Because you're clever enough to make yourself clear without swearing, and because swearing is simply not allowed on this forum, end of.

 

And the Waterman thing... since when Waterman has a valuable opinion about stuff, and especially Cowell? The two are not particulary friends so it's no surprise to see him criticising Simon Cowell.

 

And for the Hitler/Stalin comparaison again, I stand by my opinion, I think it shouldn't be used, really. English language is rich enough for you to express yourself and your ideas without using some bold and borderline comparaisons.

 

Dude, if the Mods on this forum have a problem with me, THEY can talk to me, end of, sorry, but I wont be dictated to in how to conduct myself by you....

 

Pete Waterman is a LOT of things, but the one thing he has never been is an out and out blatant CHEAT..... Waterman I can take or leave, I've never liked him, I dont like the way he operates, but, what you seem to be missing is that if even someone like Waterman, given the way he operates, has objections to Cowell's manipulation tactics, cheating and lying, then, well, I do tend to take notice of that.... Because at the end of the day, even people we dont like can be right about something sometimes... Waterman is a guy with a lot of experience in the Industry, and surely you're not so dumb that you can't see for yourself that Cowell is a cheater.... And if you cant see that, well, frankly I think you need to wake up to the facts, because he's clearly got you fooled, just like Goebbels, etc, had a lot of Germans fooled in the 1930s....

 

And, really, stop with the precious, overly PC rubbish..... I repeat, I am using Hitler and Stalin as METAPHOR..... It's not inappropriate... How do you think people such as that got into power in the first place...? They manipulated the truth, lied, used propaganda, controlled the flow of information and the media..... Gee, tell me, in what way that DOESN'T apply to someone like Cowell...... :rolleyes:

 

Something very wrong with this thread. when a 'member' has to ask a 'Mod' to moderate their language. :unsure:

The vitriolic statements comparing Simon C to Hitler and co are unnecessary.

Some of us get a lot of enjoyment out of the TV shows Simon puts together and appreciate watching and listening to talented performers and singers (and of course, some who are less so !)

It's a free country we live in (just) so we can choose what we like and what we want. Simon does not have any power to prevent that. unlike the people he was being compared to had.

 

Something very wrong with this thread. when a 'member' has to ask a 'Mod' to moderate their language. :unsure:

The vitriolic statements comparing Simon C to Hitler and co are unnecessary.

Some of us get a lot of enjoyment out of the TV shows Simon puts together and appreciate watching and listening to talented performers and singers (and of course, some who are less so !)

It's a free country we live in (just) so we can choose what we like and what we want. Simon does not have any power to prevent that. unlike the people he was being compared to had.

 

I'm glad you expressed your point of view. :)

 

It's sad that some people can't understand that

1) no, repeated swearing is not allowed - and I am not dictating you my own rules, I am just reminding you the forum rules. And what's the point of swearing anyway?

2) Hitler is on a league of his own and on a political and intellectual point of view it IS dangerous to use him for metaphores.

For example, earlier this year there's been that extremely contraversial campaign in Germany using Hitler's image to embody AIDS in TV spots (to promote prevention etc). And even though noone could argue AIDS doesn't deserve such a metaphor (after all both killed millions of people), in the end the campaign got suspended. I could email you my History and Philosophy courses for you to understand the idea, but using Hitler metaphors in everyday's debates & conversations tend to soften his own image, because you could only compare him to softer "evils" and it is dangerous. At the end of the day, we were talking about the Christmas number 1, so there was no need to bring back Hitler shadow in the topic.

 

 

Anyway, here is today's Popjustice article about the matter :

 

Oh God is it that time of the year again

Story filed Monday, 07 December 2009

 

Regular Popjustice viewers will know how tiresome we find supposedly 'viral' campaigns of the 'get this song to Number One LOL' variety and one of this year's Christmas efforts is an attempt to get Rage Against The Machine's 'Killing In The Name' to Christmas Number One in order to 'show Simon Cowell a thing or two' or something.

 

From what we can gather the point is to divert money away from the 'machine' of The X Factor, which propels its own acts (and other Sony artists) into the charts at the end of every year. Which might be slightly more effective if Rage Against The Machine weren't signed to, er, a Sony label. Still, punk rock, right?

 

Well, apart from the whole 'give Sony loads more money as a result of Simon Cowell's actions' thing there's a deeper problem at the heart of all this, too. 'Killing In The Name' is being embraced here for its perceived subversiveness, but it was released almost two decades ago and the fact that it's being wheeled out again as an 'alternative' - that it needs to be wheeled out again as an alternative - is proof of how ineffective it must have been. It (in the sense that 'it' has here been interpreted as 'a revolution against the mainstream') failed. The mainstream won. And do you know what? When it comes to the Top 40, and hit singles, and the Christmas Number One, the mainstream always will win. The Top 40 is a popularity chart and the alternative to popular music is unpopular music which by definition isn't popular enough to get in the Top 40.

 

As a sidenote, how tragic that it's a two-decades-old song that has been chosen to front this campaign.

 

GREAT article.

Edited December 7, 200915 yr by Bert for Lashes

I just heard about this half an hour ago. It's pretty damn pointless really.

 

I thought it was being released as some kind of anti-war protest a la John Lennon - but it's just some pluky wee gadge sat at his computer spamming everyone. Christmas number one now means nothing at all and if they keep this up it'll just descend into even further nonsense.

I agree it's pointless and there's no way it will stop X Factor. It would be nice if it went Top 10 though. I think these campaigns can work, but not to beat the X Factor haha. On a side note, I think it's a really good song to use as well. It's one of those songs that has massive cultural reference now, it wasn't overly massive when it was first released, but i'm pretty sure everyone has heard the song in some form or another whether they can remember it or not. Also it's good nostalgia for San Andreas.

Actually, dunno if this has been mentioned yet, but the only way I'll support it is if they get Bruno Brookes to present the chart show that week.

GREAT article.

 

Spot on :) Thanks for posting

Sony to 'win' either way :lol:

For me, 2 things that are good. Firstly, thanks to downloads, lots of Christmas songs now annualy "invade" the charts. This is the only time of year, I bother with the charts these days. Secondly, Peter Kay's #1, so that's good! :dance:

 

This is also the first year, when I haven't highlighted Christmas TOTP in the TV double issue listings.

The X Factors dominance, is in part for my waining interest in the charts, oh and me now probably being a bit past it :lol:

 

and

 

December Song (I Dreamed of Christmas) :wub:

 

They could at least choose a good song :/

I'd participate then.

 

I'm going to start my own solo crusade to get Evanescence's 'My Immortal' to Christmas #1 and Allstars 'Back When' for Christmas #35 :D

Edited December 7, 200915 yr by Grami©

I'm glad you expressed your point of view. :)

 

It's sad that some people can't understand that

1) no, repeated swearing is not allowed - and I am not dictating you my own rules, I am just reminding you the forum rules. And what's the point of swearing anyway?

2) Hitler is on a league of his own and on a political and intellectual point of view it IS dangerous to use him for metaphores.

For example, earlier this year there's been that extremely contraversial campaign in Germany using Hitler's image to embody AIDS in TV spots (to promote prevention etc). And even though noone could argue AIDS doesn't deserve such a metaphor (after all both killed millions of people), in the end the campaign got suspended. I could email you my History and Philosophy courses for you to understand the idea, but using Hitler metaphors in everyday's debates & conversations tend to soften his own image, because you could only compare him to softer "evils" and it is dangerous. At the end of the day, we were talking about the Christmas number 1, so there was no need to bring back Hitler shadow in the topic.

Anyway, here is today's Popjustice article about the matter :

GREAT article.

 

I dont need to be taught any lessons in history from you.... I learned all this stuff myself.... Some of it from my Grandfather who actually killed some Nazis..... So, there is absolutely NOTHING you have to teach me.... You take my point far too literally.... AGAIN... Cowell's campaign to dominate UK music and popular culture is in its own way, been carried out with the same SORT of ruthlessness and use of Propaganda... Which is my whole point.... And yet again, you lot seem incapable of seeing that....

 

That Popjustice article is the sort of "Anti-Rockist" sh!te we've come to expect from its retarded "Journalists" who believe that the mainstream and manufactured is all there is to music, they're worse than the bloody NME.... And, tbh, I think The Muppets have a better chance of kicking Cowell's arse than RATM does... Esp at Christmas... So, just as a method of p!ssing off the Cheater Cowell, that has my personal backing more than "Killing in the Name..", which was frankly never even close to being the best RATM song anyway (stuff like "Bullet in the Head", "Testify" and "Bulls on Parade" are miles better)..

 

You would have a point about RATM being on Epic/Sony, but as the band put it at the time "Epic agreed to everything we asked for"... So, they had complete artistic freedom (You know those idiots that write for Popjustice could have found that out easily enough by doing a Google Search to look for quotes made by Tom Morello. I did....), which is a lot more than can be said for any of Cowell's puppets who are basically his "slaves" (better make sure I use quotation marks here lest the Chart Chat PC Brigade try and do me for racism.... :rolleyes: ) for their entire recording life, do you actually know how many pages, clauses and sub-clauses are in that X-Factor contract, anyone who signs up for that is a moron and deserves to be exploited. And since when did the label really make that much of difference... It's not who you sign to, it's about making sure you maintain artistic control and your own integrity, you try to make sure the record company works for YOU, and not the other way round.... RATM achieved this... Totally.... NO ONE told them what to do, simple as...

Sorry...

 

we were talking about the Christmas number 1, so there was no need to bring back Hitler

 

I love that this line exists anywhere.

I personally think it's a plain cheek that a member (especially the member concerned) feels the need to 'warn' other members when the mods themselves obviously deem it to be OK. Maybe they should be less sensitive/less egotistical/less of a prat. I'm sure Grimly would agree.

 

I'm with Goodelta on this btw, I can see it maybe making Top 10 but it will crash down the chart soon after and it'll just be a waste of time in the long run :(

Sorry...

I love that this line exists anywhere.

 

Yeah, kind of hilarious really innit.....? :lol:

 

People are taking what I say WAY too literally..... Jesus, it's about the TACTICS.... How can anyone argue that Clifford and Cowell haven't applied Goebbels-esque techniques to their domination and manipulation of the media.... They're not using it to build concentration camps sure, but let's face it, it's just a different form of Brainwashing...... :rolleyes:

To be honest, Rage Against The Machine is one of the bands that, despite everyone raving about, I never cared that much for.

 

(Is it OK to say I prefered Audioslave?) :kink:

Why, RATM ? I mean wouldnt there be more chance if you chose a song that had more mass appeal, that way youd have more chance. I cant see half a million people downloading RATM, its hardly mainstream music. ! Even with a more popular act/song i doubt itd even work. However itd be hilaruosly funny to see Cowells reaction if it did happen!!

 

The whole point is that they dont have mainstream appeal, if they did, it wouldnt be sticking 2 fingers up to the x factor would it? if it was like 'get Lady GaGa to xmas number 1' it wouldnt even say anything or be a challenge.

 

God, you really are precious aren't you.....? It's a bloomin' METAPHOR, and like you've never said a "naughty" word in your life.... :rolleyes:

 

In true Rage spirit, fuck censorism, I remember a famous little protest they did against censorism...

 

http://cm1.theinsider.com/media/0/63/1/Lollapaloozaratm.0.0.0x0.357x230.jpeg

 

Anyway, here is today's Popjustice article about the matter :

GREAT article.

 

Not really a great article though is it? it is highly ignorant to non-mainstream pop music and fails to see the point, as Grimly mentioned they were on that label for a reason, they wouldnt of been able to get their messages across to a big enough audience if they were not to on a label (this is pre-internet), and also, havent been on said label for 9 years now, so it's pretty irrelevant. You only think it is a great article because of your bias and ignorance against the band which I highly doubt you have even heard the band.