December 12, 200915 yr Hence my general feeling of discomfort about it, I would much prefer it if RATM had written an original song and just put it out as an Online Only release without any label backing.... But, let's face it, really anything that wipes the smug grin off of Cowell's face has to be positive... But it's sure not going to do that, while publically he may play along(already is), privately he will be grinning from ear to ear. :arrr: It will polarise X-Factor lovers to buy the winning single to make it #1 thus ensuring more $$$ to both Simon Cowell and Sony. It really does smack of viral marketing of the clever kind. With RATM supporters being the sheep being brought to the cash til when they would not buy X-Factor hence this is another way to extract $$$.
December 12, 200915 yr I take it back about the song being horrible. It's actually quite melodic and radio friendly :kink:
December 12, 200915 yr Why a Rage Against the Machine Christmas No 1 would be a great pop moment Posted by Tim Jonze Friday 11 December 2009 12.30 GMT guardian.co.uk If the sweary, shouty rap-rock mob prove to have the X(mas) factor it will be a victory for the democratised and downloadable nature of the pop charts in 2009 http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/music/Pix/pictures/2009/12/11/1260535009858/Simon-Cowell-and-Rage-Aga-001.jpg Rage against the pop machine ... Zack de la Rocha gives Simon Cowell the finger. Photograph: Ken McKay/Chiaki Nozu/Rex/FilmMagic What a lot of outrage over something so silly. In the fight for Christmas No 1 (and that's a phrase we've not heard in a long time), familiar battle lines have been drawn. In the rock corner, we have those who are "protesting" against Simon Cowell's parade of X Factor winners hogging the top spot, and want to unleash something loud and sweary on the charts – Rage Against the Machine's Killing in the Name. In the pop corner, we have those who think RATM fans are being pathetic, especially as the song is ancient and the band are hardly rock rebels these days (you can read some good points about the irony of using Killing in the Name for this campaign on Luke Lewis's NME blog). Personally, I'd love RATM to get to No 1, not because I think it would be a victory for "proper" rock. I actually think a RATM victory would be a triumph for pop. The song might be old, but having a fan-powered campaign propel it to the chart summit against the might of an entertainment powerhouse like SyCo would tell you more about the democratised, downloadable and downright free-for-all nature of the pop charts in 2009 than anything else. And besides, surely any kind of scrap for the top spot is better for pop lovers than none at all? Critics have pointed out that Sony is behind both acts, and that ultimately the money will find its way to Cowell whoever wins. But that's missing the point. Cowell hardly needs the cash that a Christmas No 1 would generate. But he does need – at least to some degree – to show that the X Factor brand can guarantee its winner a chart topper. Besides this, Cowell's claim that a RATM No 1 would "spoil" it for the other contestants betrays a certain arrogance, as if the Christmas top slot is now reserved for his acts alone and that any other artist actually selling more records is cheating. One familiar message-board criticism is that RATM fans are being childish and should "protest about something serious", presumably landmines, climate change or youth unemployment. That's a perfectly fair point, but if you're going to take that viewpoint you could apply it to the act of buying pop singles in general. You're paying 79p for a Joe McElderry ballad? Give the money to Katine instead, you thoughtless twerp! Again, the point is to not take it all so seriously. The Christmas chart is a bit of a laugh. People like to spend their money on having a laugh. So, do I think RATM have the X(mas) factor? I can't quite see it happening, but it would certainly be amusing if they did (the song has a special place in my heart, as I first heard it during that infamous Bruno Brookes chart rundown in 1992, shortly before picking up the shattered remains of my jaw from the floor). When we look back in a decade's time, and ask why an old rock song from the early 1990s went to No 1 in 2009, sticking out in a long line of overblown ballads like the proverbial sore middle finger … to me, that's what the pop charts were made for.
December 12, 200915 yr Pete Waterman has seen through 'The X Factor' & Cowell's manipulation. He's right! Link:, http://smurl.name/6m2r
December 12, 200915 yr .... As for those of you who think it is a con that the RATM record is being hyped as a rival to the X-Factor even though it is on the same parent record company, if Sony owned the publishing to the song which they don't, they could stop the track being available to buy or even worse fast track a John & Edward cover version. Whilst this morning RATM have announced they will donate ALL their profits to the Shelter charity for the homeless.
December 12, 200915 yr .... As for those of you who think it is a con that the RATM record is being hyped as a rival to the X-Factor even though it is on the same parent record company, if Sony owned the publishing to the song which they don't, they could stop the track being available to buy Why would Sony do that anyway? The whole joke is making more publicity than ever for a X Factor winner release, they would never want to get it off the online stores (especially when that would bring them even more criticism).
December 12, 200915 yr Whilst this morning RATM have announced they will donate ALL their profits to the Shelter charity for the homeless. And all Sony $$$ profits will be going to Sony! :lol:
December 12, 200915 yr Heh heh.... Some of those who spread virals Are the same who watch Cowell Some of those who spread virals Are the same who watch Cowell Some of those who spread virals Are the same who watch Cowell Some of those who spread virals Are the same who watch Cowell And now you buy what they told ya And now you buy what they told ya And now you buy what they told ya And now you buy what they told ya Those who buy Are juvenile Downloading the song, just out of spite You justify the juvenile By buying this song, just out of spite f*** me, you did just what they told ya f*** me, you did just what they told ya f*** me, you did just what they told ya f*** me, you did just what they told ya Buying in the name of... http://whiffytidings.blogspot.com/2009/12/...in-name-of.html
December 12, 200915 yr :rofl: That's it in a nutshell. It's not a bad song, and I can see what they're kind of trying to do, but it's just mean spirited! Buy the Muppets, and no, I don't mean the X Factor winner :kink:
December 12, 200915 yr The RATM Song would be a fail if the Media hadn't hyped it up. Now people are more aware & joined the group. I don't think there will be enough of them to beat Sales of X Factor Winner still :kink:.
December 12, 200915 yr Heh heh.... Some of those who spread virals Are the same who watch Cowell Some of those who spread virals Are the same who watch Cowell Some of those who spread virals Are the same who watch Cowell Some of those who spread virals Are the same who watch Cowell And now you buy what they told ya And now you buy what they told ya And now you buy what they told ya And now you buy what they told ya Those who buy Are juvenile Downloading the song, just out of spite You justify the juvenile By buying this song, just out of spite f*** me, you did just what they told ya f*** me, you did just what they told ya f*** me, you did just what they told ya f*** me, you did just what they told ya Buying in the name of... http://whiffytidings.blogspot.com/2009/12/...in-name-of.html Class! f*** me, you did just what they told ya. Indeed. You did just what Sony wanted you to do.
December 12, 200915 yr Class! f*** me, you did just what they told ya. Indeed. You did just what Sony wanted you to do. Anybody would think you worked for Sony. It is the classic Max Clifford PR strategy in full force, just when it looks like their could be some serious competition towards the X-Factor, make out that the competition is part of the masterplan in the first place to dilute its subversive impact. A Classic divide and conquest strategy that Goebbels would have been proud of. :rolleyes: Especially considering the odds of X-Factor for Xmas #1 was 1/33 odds on; yet now its odds are only 1/5 odds on. Because RATM's Killing In The Name is shortening fast at 5/2 from 100/1 last week. Well sod you, I'm going to buy the single in protest of Simon Cowell's corruptive impact on the UK charts and popular music in general because the likes of a whole range of musicians; newspapers; music magazines and blogs have united to support the idea for A.N. OTHER to be Xmas #1 instead of Simon Cowell inflicting a muzak bad cover version of an awful Disney song in the first place. Personally I much rather see a campaign for a truly independent act like Slow Club - Christmas TV; Thea Gilmore - That'll Be Christmas or some other obscure classic; but (not that awful unfunny Muppets record because it is worse musically than the X-Factor winner will be and not a patch on Jim Henson's puppets output from the 1970s) ....... .in many ways RATM are the perfect example because of what they represent as a anti-establishment music act; the notorious Bruno Brookes chart countdown incident & the fact it would sound hilarious being played on Christmas Top Of The Pops. But to me the purpose behind it is to show that people still care about REAL music. This is why the likes of Kasabian; Radiohead; Damon Albarn; Zane Lowe; NME; John Lydon; Jarvis Cocker; The Word Magazine and numerous music journalists have thrown their weight behind this track because it is all about uniting to say f*** off Simon Cowell.
December 12, 200915 yr Anybody would think you worked for Sony. It is the classic Max Clifford PR strategy in full force, just when it looks like their could be some serious competition towards the X-Factor, make out that the competition is part of the masterplan in the first place to dilute its subversive impact. A Classic divide and conquest strategy that Goebbels would have been proud of. :rolleyes: Especially considering the odds of X-Factor for Xmas #1 was 1/33 odds on; yet now its odds are only 1/5 odds on. Because RATM's Killing In The Name is shortening fast at 5/2 from 100/1 last week. Well sod you, I'm going to buy the single in protest of Simon Cowell's corruptive impact on the UK charts and popular music in general because the likes of a whole range of musicians; newspapers; music magazines and blogs have united to support the idea for A.N. OTHER to be Xmas #1 instead of Simon Cowell inflicting a muzak bad cover version of an awful Disney song in the first place. Personally I much rather see a campaign for a truly independent act like Slow Club - Christmas TV; Thea Gilmore - That'll Be Christmas or some other obscure classic; but (not that awful unfunny Muppets record because it is worse musically than the X-Factor winner will be and not a patch on Jim Henson's puppets output from the 1970s) ....... .in many ways RATM are the perfect example because of what they represent as a anti-establishment music act; the notorious Bruno Brookes chart countdown incident & the fact it would sound hilarious being played on Christmas Top Of The Pops. But to me the purpose behind it is to show that people still care about REAL music. This is why the likes of Kasabian; Radiohead; Damon Albarn; Zane Lowe; NME; John Lydon; Jarvis Cocker; The Word Magazine and numerous music journalists have thrown their weight behind this track because it is all about uniting to say f*** off Simon Cowell. Your the one giving to Sony. :P I recommend people stay well clear of being hooked into a viral campaign to emotionally extract money from them. Edited December 12, 200915 yr by Xmas presence
December 12, 200915 yr Your the one giving to Sony. :P I recommend people stay well clear of being hooked into a viral campaign to emotionally extract money from them. Instead they should get hooked into a vast promotional campaign that has been running on prime time ITV for the last however many weeks to extract money from them, right? I don't think you quite grasp the fact that NO ONE CARES THAT MONEY WILL BE GOING TO SONY. Seriously, it is just a bit of fun and a protest at what Cowell has doen for the last few years.
December 12, 200915 yr Your the one giving to Sony. :P I recommend people stay well clear of being hooked into a viral campaign to emotionally extract money from them. I would say you are the one who has fallen hook line and sinker for the Max Clifford propaganda. ;) No doubt if you were a German in Deutschland in 1944, you would believe that it was all Allied propaganda that the Nazis were running concentration camps exterminating Jews and that the cause of the "Just War" was not lost. -_-
December 12, 200915 yr Author they should have chosen a newer song by a Brit artist for instance.... :banghead: http://6.media.tumblr.com/2w9XXXqFFr30xxuk3tVBOuxMo1_400.jpg read the thread before replying please, they shouldnt of chosen a newer song by a brit artist, i'm not going to tell you why as its been told at least 3-5 times in this thread already and it just shows the lack of intelligence from Chart Chat users that people are still saying this. I take it back about the song being horrible. It's actually quite melodic and radio friendly :kink: I was suprised you said it was horrible, seemed exactly your type of music. .... As for those of you who think it is a con that the RATM record is being hyped as a rival to the X-Factor even though it is on the same parent record company, if Sony owned the publishing to the song which they don't, they could stop the track being available to buy or even worse fast track a John & Edward cover version. Whilst this morning RATM have announced they will donate ALL their profits to the Shelter charity for the homeless. See this is what sets Rage apart from other bands, THEY ARE NOT IN IT FOR PROFIT, THEY DONT EVEN GIVE A $h!t, THEY ARENT GOING TO BE TAKING A SINGLE PENNY FROM WHAT THE SONG MAKES THIS WEEK. Yes Sony will be touching themselves over the profit, but the band, the ones who actually wrote the song, are giving it all to charity, take that non-believers.
December 12, 200915 yr No doubt if you were a German in Deutschland in 1944, you would believe that it was all Allied propaganda that the Nazis were running concentration camps exterminating Jews and that the cause of the "Just War" was not lost. -_- Erm it is the harshest thing I've come to read on a forum ever :wacko: Not coming back about the whole Hitler metaphor thing, but this is like 100x worse, really. Won't get into the argument but I'm really shocked. What the hell the Holocaust has to deal with the Christmas Number 1? Please, let's leave this out of the topic, I'm begging you.
December 12, 200915 yr Author Why would Sony do that anyway? The whole joke is making more publicity than ever for a X Factor winner release, they would never want to get it off the online stores (especially when that would bring them even more criticism). oh god i agree on something with bert. Sony would never take off KITN to make sure TXF is number 1, mainly because it's obviously now KITN is going to sell f*** loads, where as before, it wouldnt of at all, if it sells half as much as the x factor does, then they have made a lot more than they would of anyway, why would they take down a chance to make them f*** loads of money? :rofl: That's it in a nutshell. It's not a bad song, and I can see what they're kind of trying to do, but it's just mean spirited! Buy the Muppets, and no, I don't mean the X Factor winner :kink: Aww dont you like mean songs? you are so nice. all the music I listen to is so angry.
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