January 8, 201015 yr It is not morally wrong at all, El Al racially profile, any muslim plus africans from countries with known islamic links are strip searched by El Al security before being allowed to fly and which airline is universally recognised as the safest to travel on ? El Al is Political correctness needs to take a back seat in priority to saving lives Then why do you not sponsor EVERYONE going through the checks? Surely that would make it safer? If anything, we're guarding ourselves against a lone wolf situation!
January 8, 201015 yr Exactly. Why do you people not realise that focussing airports exclusively on Muslims (as in, never checking any non-Muslims) is only going to put us at far more risk? If you really think there aren't non-Muslim psycho's out there who would consider pulling a crazy stunt like this, then you're incredibly naive.
January 8, 201015 yr Exactly. Why do you people not realise that focussing airports exclusively on Muslims (as in, never checking any non-Muslims) is only going to put us at far more risk? If you really think there aren't non-Muslim psycho's out there who would consider pulling a crazy stunt like this, then you're incredibly naive. No one is talking about not checking non muslims, the current checks are quite sufficient there but muslims and suspected muslims should be subject to EXTRA checks including being strip searched Muslims have been attacking planes since and before Dawson's Field in the 70's so are by far the highest risk groups, if old ladies or one armed Eritrean lesbians started blowing up planes then bring in extra checks but muslims are by far the biggest security risk in terms of aviation travel so should be subject to extra checks, for every aviation incident or foiled incident involving a non muslim there is near on 50 involving muslims I am not into the demonisation of muslims, 80% are decent people but sadly to foil the 20% the other 80% will unfortunately have to be inconvenienced
January 8, 201015 yr No one is talking about not checking non muslims, the current checks are quite sufficient there but muslims and suspected muslims should be subject to EXTRA checks including being strip searched Muslims have been attacking planes since and before Dawson's Field in the 70's so are by far the highest risk groups, if old ladies or one armed Eritrean lesbians started blowing up planes then bring in extra checks but muslims are by far the biggest security risk in terms of aviation travel so should be subject to extra checks, for every aviation incident or foiled incident involving a non muslim there is near on 50 involving muslims I am not into the demonisation of muslims, 80% are decent people but sadly to foil the 20% the other 80% will unfortunately have to be inconvenienced Erm, a bit of a generalisation to assume a fifth of Muslims are extremists... But in any case, you speak more of 'sod political correctness, we need to save lives at any cost' - so wouldn't it be more beneficial to apply these checks to all?
January 8, 201015 yr Erm, a bit of a generalisation to assume a fifth of Muslims are extremists... But in any case, you speak more of 'sod political correctness, we need to save lives at any cost' - so wouldn't it be more beneficial to apply these checks to all? That statement sums up my view on things, safety is paramount as aviation is probably 2nd to finance in the most important sector of our economy But There is not the time to do it for all Tyron unless rules were bought in to check in 5 hours before a flight so the way I see it is that the extra checks need to be applied to those that present the most risk, in this case muslims, if other sectors of society start blowing up planes then add them to the list too
January 8, 201015 yr Excuse me? 20% of Muslims in this country want to blow up planes according to you?
January 8, 201015 yr Excuse me? 20% of Muslims in this country want to blow up planes according to you? I did not say that, you are putting words into my mouth, not for the first time :rolleyes: I would say 80% are patriotic to this country and fully ingrained into the British way of life and British culture and are proud to be British But I would say 20% probably hold strong to extreme views and therefore are susceptible to being recruited by the Hamza's of this world, that is not to say they will blow up planes just that their views make them a security risk
January 8, 201015 yr But I would say 20% probably hold strong to extreme views and therefore are susceptible to being recruited by the Hamza's of this world, that is not to say they will blow up planes just that their views make them a security risk And even if 20% of Muslims in this country do hold "strong views", why does that mean they should be subject to extra security measures? You're Jewish aren't you? Would you be happy if, if ever you go to an Islamic country, you and all other Jews would have to go through strip searches while everyone else could pass through freely?
January 8, 201015 yr And even if 20% of Muslims in this country do hold "strong views", why does that mean they should be subject to extra security measures? You're Jewish aren't you? Would you be happy if, if ever you go to an Islamic country, you and all other Jews would have to go through strip searches while everyone else could pass through freely? Because they are far more likely to blow up passenger jets than anyone else, god its like talking to a 5 year old at times as you seem so uneducated about the history of muslims and aviation terror Again abysmal comparison, if jews had been blowing up, trying to blow up and hijacking passenger jets I would fully understand if I was strip searched and would have no objection, if jews were being targeted for strip searching when they are not a threat to aviation it would be racist
January 8, 201015 yr Racial profiling is morally wrong, end of.... We had this sort of thing in the 70s and 80s with Irish Catholics, and look how well that worked out eh....? Innocent people banged up for 15-20 years for the "crime" of being Irish..... <_< I repeat, airport security checks apply to EVERYONE, or NO ONE..... You cant mitigate for the random "lone-nut" who could just one day decide to plant a bomb, or even just take up a gun and kill random people in a shopping centre like that bloke in Finland just did over the festive season..... And how would your racial profiling of passengers stop someone from getting to an airport employee with either cash or blackmail... People can be "bought off".... thats being pc for the sake of it, its ridiculous ideas like that that have created all the red tape in the health service, politics, police forces etc. again... EVERYONE would go through basic checks, that would catch 'lone nuts' as they havnt the sophistication to get around basics. putting people who are deemed a greater threat through EXTRA checks WILL stop the real fanatics, it WOULD have caught the shoe bomber and the crimbo day attempt. it will also make ordinary law abiding muslims that the actions of a minority are inconveiniancing them , hopefully turning them against the extremists AGAIN... why should my 78 year old mum be treated the same as 'abdul' who has a known history of suspected terrorist links?.. because thats 'fair'?...how is it fair to treat everbody the same when its bloody obvious to anyone with a hole in his arse that society isnt fair! we are NOT all the same... there ARE people in society with mal intent. Exactly. Why do you people not realise that focussing airports exclusively on Muslims (as in, never checking any non-Muslims) is only going to put us at far more risk? If you really think there aren't non-Muslim psycho's out there who would consider pulling a crazy stunt like this, then you're incredibly naive. youre missing the point.... everyone WILL be checked, its just people from certain demographs will be extra searched... and when was the last time a non muslim physcho pulled a stunt like this?.... NEVER!
January 16, 201015 yr I do feel sorry for genuinely good muslim's who aren't interested in blowing up planes and other terrorist attacks, but unfortunately it does seem to be that group of people who do that - I know it's only a VERRRRY small percentage of them but if you look on the news, almost every terrorist attack/plot has been by a Muslim - if white people were known for attempting to blow up planes, then I would expect to be searched more thoroughly because it'd be the "norm" for white people to do it, but in this case, it's Muslims. It's just a fact. And I'm sure it'd also put the muslim's who don't wish to pull these crazy stunts (the vast majority of them) minds at rest, as I'm almost certain that it's not just non-muslims who are suspicious about these attacks/plots, most Muslim's would be worried too and although maybe feeling victimised as a race/religion by this, will also feel relieved that something is being to prevent things like that to happen.
January 18, 201015 yr youre missing the point.... everyone WILL be checked, its just people from certain demographs will be extra searched... and when was the last time a non muslim physcho pulled a stunt like this?.... NEVER! Errrrrr... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Byck :P :lol:
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