Spot on.

 

I agree about Scott, I really don't know what has happened to him because he is posting like a different person at the moment.

 

Maybe after surveillance he has been interned and replaced by an MI6 spook imposter posting on this site.

 

Because the real Scott is intelligent and would not be posting a whole lot of left wing political $h!t left right and fukkin' centre for the sake of it making himself look an idiot as this Grimly Fiendish is doing in Perspectives at the moment.

And you wonder why I accuse you of being right-wing? :lol:

You realise they're not going to be spitting on these dead solders' coffins? And many anti-war people such as myself would argue that respect for innocent Afghanistani/Iraqi civilians who've been killed should take priority over the soldiers who've actually carried out the killing.

 

thats exactly what they are doing danny... im shocked that you could support this extremist islamic group who do NOT reprisent the vast majority on this countries muslim population.

 

why should YOU give a damn about people who dont give a damn about you?... :huh:

 

the taliban declared war on us... not the other way around.

The bottom line here is this - this bearded buffoon's march is NOT anti-war. Far from it. He WANTS a holy war - over here.

 

It's anti-BRITISH. Anti-us. Anti-anything Britain stands for that doesn't conform to his backward way of life.

 

It's a deliberate act of mindless provocation, specifically designed to upset as many of us as he possibly can - this isn't about Iraq, Saddam Afghaistan, Osama etc etc etc - it's about riling the natives to such a point that violence is sure to erupt.

 

And I still want to know exactly how when he's claiming benefits.... he drives a pricey people carrier whilst claiming them - so.... whose payroll is he on apart from ours?????

 

What I do know is this guy's card is marked - he'll be investigated to within an inch of his life - literally, hopefully - and it won't be long before him and his bearded tribe of a family will be shunted mercilessly out of Britain.

 

As he should be, of course.

 

As we're now seemingly unable to stop marches for any old thing in the UK now... how long will it be before decent, ordinary citizens make a stand and hold one HUGE march saying "enough's enough"... the Muslim community have completely failed in most aspects to live alongside us, their Council is ominously quiet regarding these 'hate' clerics, we WILL NOT have women walking the streets with only eyes visible, we WILL NOT accept the Muslim view of both women and gays.... and we DO NOT want Islam accepted as a faith of any kind in Britain any more - and if this causes distress to Muslims - vacate your premises and live in a country where Islam IS the majority accepted faith, wherever you were born is irrelevant - your religious tendencies are unacceptable in a 21st century society - conform or disappear.

The bottom line here is this - this bearded buffoon's march is NOT anti-war. Far from it. He WANTS a holy war - over here.

 

It's anti-BRITISH. Anti-us. Anti-anything Britain stands for that doesn't conform to his backward way of life.

 

It's a deliberate act of mindless provocation, specifically designed to upset as many of us as he possibly can - this isn't about Iraq, Saddam Afghaistan, Osama etc etc etc - it's about riling the natives to such a point that violence is sure to erupt.

 

And I still want to know exactly how when he's claiming benefits.... he drives a pricey people carrier whilst claiming them - so.... whose payroll is he on apart from ours?????

 

What I do know is this guy's card is marked - he'll be investigated to within an inch of his life - literally, hopefully - and it won't be long before him and his bearded tribe of a family will be shunted mercilessly out of Britain.

 

As he should be, of course.

 

As we're now seemingly unable to stop marches for any old thing in the UK now... how long will it be before decent, ordinary citizens make a stand and hold one HUGE march saying "enough's enough"... the Muslim community have completely failed in most aspects to live alongside us, their Council is ominously quiet regarding these 'hate' clerics, we WILL NOT have women walking the streets with only eyes visible, we WILL NOT accept the Muslim view of both women and gays.... and we DO NOT want Islam accepted as a faith of any kind in Britain any more - and if this causes distress to Muslims - vacate your premises and live in a country where Islam IS the majority accepted faith, wherever you were born is irrelevant - your religious tendencies are unacceptable in a 21st century society - conform or disappear.

 

a BRILLIANT post russ :) .... absolutely fully agree with you m8.

There's talk today that Home Secretary Alan Johnson will BAN Islam4UK as early as tomorrow...... thoughts?

How can you ban an organisation that has extremist views but peaceful (if objectionable) methods. I despise a lot of what Choudary stands for, but this is a very dangerous line to cross...and one I'm certain Johnson is only taking to appease the voters who are flocking to the Conservatives.

Are you serious??? This group openly incites violence against non-believers, women and gays - you think they have a right to preach this stuff??? :o :o :o

How can you ban an organisation that has extremist views but peaceful (if objectionable) methods. I despise a lot of what Choudary stands for, but this is a very dangerous line to cross...and one I'm certain Johnson is only taking to appease the voters who are flocking to the Conservatives.

 

OK, let's throw the question back: Would Islam4UK support the idea of allowing a gay pride march through the real Mecca?

 

If the answer is Yes you have made a very valid point. But I think you know that the answer is a negative one.

OK, let's throw the question back: Would Islam4UK support the idea of allowing a gay pride march through the real Mecca?

 

If the answer is Yes you have made a very valid point. But I think you know that the answer is a negative one.

 

The whole point is that we are meant to be more civilised and educated than those people. How are we if we ban them on the basis of THEIR standards? And please don't dismiss this perfectly valid point as "liberal do-gooding" or whatever. :rolleyes:

I'd have snipers on the sides of the corners taking them by surprise. That'd be committing the same disrespect they intend by doing this.

The whole point is that we are meant to be more civilised and educated than those people. How are we if we ban them on the basis of THEIR standards? And please don't dismiss this perfectly valid point as "liberal do-gooding" or whatever. :rolleyes:

The fact is, why can't they do this in their own country? When you walk into this country you pledge you will follow the culture of the country you arrive in. It's that simple, you integrate, and that's not what such do :teresa:

The fact is, why can't they do this in their own country? When you walk into this country you pledge you will follow the culture of the country you arrive in. It's that simple, you integrate, and that's not what such do :teresa:

 

The founder of this organisation was born in London.

Are you serious??? This group openly incites violence against non-believers, women and gays - you think they have a right to preach this stuff??? :o :o :o

They don't have a right to openly incite violence, but they have a right, disgusting as the view may be, to espouse their disgusting beliefs. Just as we have the right to shoot right back at them with all the holes in their religion and reasoning :P

The founder of this organisation was born in London.

Oh my god!!! Humanity never ceases to amaze me :unsure: His parents should have obeyed the rules in this case.

Edited January 10, 201015 yr by Dick Cummings

OK, let's throw the question back: Would Islam4UK support the idea of allowing a gay pride march through the real Mecca?

 

If the answer is Yes you have made a very valid point. But I think you know that the answer is a negative one.

Oh for goodness sake, aren't we supposed to be taking the moral high ground here! :lol: Part of what makes this country great is that we don't subscribe to those standards...

Oh for goodness sake, aren't we supposed to be taking the moral high ground here! :lol: Part of what makes this country great is that we don't subscribe to those standards...

...and part of what's so awful about this country is they have forgotten where the roots lay. In the end it's the political side of this country's own fault for being one of the worst countries in all of Western Europe. The ideas are there... the examples are there... but no let's not. Let's just do it our little unsuccessful way. I have no complaints on it being an immigrant myself, but gosh! All this complaining with these very simple answers, and none of them even see the blueprint mode, as it's 'immoral'.

Oh for goodness sake, aren't we supposed to be taking the moral high ground here! :lol: Part of what makes this country great is that we don't subscribe to those standards...

 

I think you should take a good look at yourself in the mirror that you are actively supporting a fundraiser for terrorists who are killing British citizens. In my book that is anti-British and therefore fully deserves to be banned just like the IRA were back in the 1970s & 1980s:

 

 

Anjem Choudary investigated by police over Mujahideen fundraising

Police are investigating whether a radical Muslim who has called for money to be collected for Islamic fighters has committed a criminal act.

By Duncan Gardham, Security Correspondent

Published: 4:12PM GMT 10 Jan 2010

Anjem Choudary, who has led an Islam4UK campaign to march through Wootton Bassett and whose supporters hurled abuse at soldiers from the Royal Anglian regiment returning from Afghanistan last week, can be heard on a website calling for other Muslims not to save money for their families but to give it to "mujahideen" - holy warriors - instead.

 

The term is usually used to refer to fighters "defending Muslim lands" such as Afghanistan and Iraq, who are prepared to die as martyrs.

 

In the recording, posted on the site Islam4UK, Choudary said: "People looking for a place for their money to go so they can go to the front line and they can't find it.

"You have opportunity to carry dawah [spreading the word] to society . . . and you have money that can go towards the dawah, you have money that can go towards the mujahideen."

 

Choudary added: "When you are working collectively . . . people supporting the mujahideen, people collecting money for the dawah or giving money to the mujahideen, he [the devil] will come to you then. He will divert you, he will say to you, 'This money is needed for your family'."

 

Choudary, a former solicitor, said: "I don't think I've ever said to people 'raise money and send it to al-Qaeda and the Taliban.'"

But he added: "British troops engage in killing women and children. The British are occupiers, they have committed atrocities. The sooner they return the better."

 

Scotland Yard issued a statement, in which it said: "We are continually monitoring the activities of a range of groups and individuals. Any information we receive is considered and, where appropriate, action is taken."

 

It is an offence under the Terrorism Act to raise money for terrorism, whether in this country or overseas. Whilst earlier today it was reported that Home Secretary Alan Johnson is expected to impose anti-terror laws as early as tomorrow to ban al-Muhajiroun and its latest offshoot Islam4UK.

 

Choudary is one of the few former leaders of the banned group al-Muhajiroun, not to have been jailed.

 

Over the last two years six former members, including Abu Izzadeen, who had barracked the former Home Secretary John Reid, were found guilty of offences including incitement to terrorism overseas and collecting money for terrorism after a recording emerged of speeches they had given at Regent's Park Mosque in central London.

 

Two supporters were also jailed for offences including inciting racial hatred and incitement to murder after protests against Danish cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed.

 

Their former "sheikh" Omar Bakri Mohammed, fled to Lebanon in the wake of the July 2005 bombings, but still gives regular speeches over the internet.

 

The man who led the protests against the Royal Anglian regiment in Luton, Beds, Ishtiaq Alamgir, who also uses the name Sayful Islam [sword of Islam], had claimed to be a teacher, but investigations have revealed that he is actually on £277 a week unemployment and housing benefits.

 

Umm, you'll notice that I don't actually SUPPORT (and am in fact disgusted by) the vast majority of his views. However, I defend his right to say them, so long as he isn't espousing violence. Why does supporting free speech necessarily equate to me supporting what he's saying? :blink: In much the same way, so long as the BNP don't espouse violence, I support their right to express their disgusting views, mostly because we also have the right to blast their deluded arguments to smithereens.

...and part of what's so awful about this country is they have forgotten where the roots lay. In the end it's the political side of this country's own fault for being one of the worst countries in all of Western Europe. The ideas are there... the examples are there... but no let's not. Let's just do it our little unsuccessful way. I have no complaints on it being an immigrant myself, but gosh! All this complaining with these very simple answers, and none of them even see the blueprint mode, as it's 'immoral'.

This post is so ridiculously vague and makes no point at all that I'm not even sure if I can respond to it :/

This post is so ridiculously vague and makes no point at all that I'm not even sure if I can respond to it :/

Ya, you wouldn't understand -_- One day it'll all collapse into the face, and this country ends up in the biggest trouble it's ever been in. Then you may just understand what could've been done when it needed be. But no, let's not.