January 25, 201015 yr Yeah, cos it's really the same thing as proposing genocide or mass murder isn't it....? PRAT... An ANTI WAR demo, wherever it's done, and whoever is doing it, is generally out there to stop the "killing in the name of..". ALL OF IT, including "our boys", are you so incapable of seeing that....? :rolleyes: Whether you agree with this particular group's mission statement is irrelevant to the point that's being made in the proposal - that ALL casualties of war be given respect and decency.... You tell me just where the problem with wanting to spread that message loud and clear lies... Offensive??? Bollocks... I'm offended that you see soldiers as being more important than innocent civilians.... Soldiers MAKE A CHOICE in this day in age, they are not press-ganged or conscripted, the civilians who died during Shock and Awe had no such choice.... GET IT!!?? <_< You really have had your brain infected by a load of right-wing, reactionary sh!te haven't you.....? You're a sell out to your 60s Generation who had the guts to want to change the world for the better, and all you seem to do is criticise the progress made in the 60s and 70s..... Well, we'd ALL be the worse off without that progress.... knobend.... their protest wasnt anything to do with wanting to protest against the war... otherwise it could have been done anywhere else in the uk... somewhere more appropriate like whitehall... if you cannot see that it was a blatand two fingers up to every brit then you are bonkers. (but then again you are practically a foreigner living in england who is extremely anti english! :P :lol:) idiot... it has nothing to do with selling out, it has everything to do with knowing where the boundaries are, and letting every extremist, anti british, terrorist support group have a voice is taking pc much to far. again YOU are the ONLY person ive heard of, on line or in real life, apart from islam4uk who actually approves that march!!! thats utterly shocking! think about it .... who really is in the wrong here?... :lol:
January 25, 201015 yr knobend.... their protest wasnt anything to do with wanting to protest against the war... otherwise it could have been done anywhere else in the uk... somewhere more appropriate like whitehall... if you cannot see that it was a blatand two fingers up to every brit then you are bonkers. (but then again you are practically a foreigner living in england who is extremely anti english! :P :lol:) idiot... it has nothing to do with selling out, it has everything to do with knowing where the boundaries are, and letting every extremist, anti british, terrorist support group have a voice is taking pc much to far. again YOU are the ONLY person ive heard of, on line or in real life, apart from islam4uk who actually approves that march!!! thats utterly shocking! think about it .... who really is in the wrong here?... :lol: Same here, I know of no one bar Scott anywhere, and that includes muslims I know, who support this march
January 25, 201015 yr knobend.... their protest wasnt anything to do with wanting to protest against the war... otherwise it could have been done anywhere else in the uk... somewhere more appropriate like whitehall... if you cannot see that it was a blatand two fingers up to every brit then you are bonkers. (but then again you are practically a foreigner living in england who is extremely anti english! :P :lol:) idiot... it has nothing to do with selling out, it has everything to do with knowing where the boundaries are, and letting every extremist, anti british, terrorist support group have a voice is taking pc much to far. again YOU are the ONLY person ive heard of, on line or in real life, apart from islam4uk who actually approves that march!!! thats utterly shocking! think about it .... who really is in the wrong here?... :lol: Do I give a sh!t if my views are "unpopular"...?? No, I dont.... So were Abe Lincoln's, Martin Luther King's, Malcolm X's and JFK's, I consider myself in good company, they died making the world a better place regardless of who got upset, they're the REAL HEROES, not a bunch of gung-ho, armed knobheads who place nebulous concepts such as "patriotism" and "following orders" over what is actually right and wrong.... The real patriots stand against their government when the Govt and its institutions (including the police and armed forces) are wrong.... Location doesn't matter... My views are in the total spirit of the "Right to Protest" against the war.... The war is, in my view, illegal, so, whatever measures are taken to try and stop this ILLEGAL ACT, are justified, even if it that means upsetting people... This is a more important issue than peoples' sensibilities..... And, errrr, dont you think that there's any Scottish regiments out there??? My cousin served in Iraq, in a SCOTTISH regiment.. I'm as much against Scottish soldiers being there as any other, and by the way, so's John Swinney and Alex Salmond, believe me, if they and the Scottish Executive had the power to remove Scottish soldiers from Iraq and Afghanistan, they would....
January 25, 201015 yr Same here, I know of no one bar Scott anywhere, and that includes muslims I know, who support this march Like I'm gonna take lectures from YOU Craig..... Mr "I want to exterminate all the poor, non-white races"... Screw you..... <_< You are the single biggest hypocrite that I've ever come across online or in my life....
January 25, 201015 yr Do I give a sh!t if my views are "unpopular"...?? No, I dont.... So were Abe Lincoln's, Martin Luther King's, Malcolm X's and JFK's, I consider myself in good company, they died making the world a better place regardless of who got upset, they're the REAL HEROES, not a bunch of gung-ho, armed knobheads who place nebulous concepts such as "patriotism" and "following orders" over what is actually right and wrong.... The real patriots stand against their government when the Govt and its institutions (including the police and armed forces) are wrong.... Location doesn't matter... My views are in the total spirit of the "Right to Protest" against the war.... The war is, in my view, illegal, so, whatever measures are taken to try and stop this ILLEGAL ACT, are justified, even if it that means upsetting people... This is a more important issue than peoples' sensibilities..... And, errrr, dont you think that there's any Scottish regiments out there??? My cousin served in Iraq, in a SCOTTISH regiment.. I'm as much against Scottish soldiers being there as any other, and by the way, so's John Swinney and Alex Salmond, believe me, if they and the Scottish Executive had the power to remove Scottish soldiers from Iraq and Afghanistan, they would.... Osama would truly hug you and shake you by the hand if he met you, you are almost like his unofficial spokesman the way you speak in this thread, could almost imagine you as a future suicide bomber, god help me if we end up on the same plane as you always seem to talk up muslim extremists and talk down the English You speak too about the soldiers in Afghanistan as if they are out there committing genocide against the harmless law abiding locals, they don't go "lets go out and kill a load ragheads today, a pint for the winner" and start machine gunning the locals they are out there targetting terrorists on very specific professional missions did you go to Yemen over xmas as opposed to Dundee ? :huh: Edited January 25, 201015 yr by B.A Baracus
January 25, 201015 yr Osama would truly hug you and shake you by the hand if he met you, you are almost like his unofficial spokesman the way you speak in this thread, could almost imagine you as a future suicide bomber, god help me if we end up on the same plane as you always seem to talk up muslim extremists and talk down the English You speak too about the soldiers in Afghanistan as if they are out there committing genocide against the harmless law abiding locals, they don't go "lets go out and kill a load ragheads today, a pint for the winner" and start machine gunning the locals they are out there targetting terrorists on very specific professional missions did you go to Yemen over xmas as opposed to Dundee ? :huh: US and UK troops (especially the US Marines..) are being totally disrespectful of the ordinary Iraqi and Afghans in the general everyday.. Terms such as "raghead", "Camel Jockey", "Hadjii" and "Sand Ni***r" are in common useage... It's pure racism, simple as... But then, doubtless you being a racist yourself would probably find some way to excuse it..... The only people who have won "martyrs" for the Al Qaeda cause are the US and UK Govts by entering sovereign nations illegally, treating the locals like sh!t, bombing the crap out of cities and towns... Oh, and not forgetting Abu Ghraib, rendition and GITMO..... Honestly, if Osama is gonna hug me, he'll want to fellate Blair and Bush Jr.... :rolleyes: I've "changed" because the longer this sh!t has gone on, the angrier it's made me.... And it's blatantly obvious that it never had a damn thing to do with making us "safer"....
January 25, 201015 yr and start machine gunning the locals What you mean like US Mercenaries (oh, sorry, I meant to say "private military contractors" didn't I..?) have done from moving vehicles.....? <_<
January 25, 201015 yr US and UK troops (especially the US Marines..) are being totally disrespectful of the ordinary Iraqi and Afghans in the general everyday.. Terms such as "raghead", "Camel Jockey", "Hadjii" and "Sand Ni***r" are in common useage... It's pure racism, simple as... But then, doubtless you being a racist yourself would probably find some way to excuse it..... I am not remotely racist, I am anti extremists, one of my clients is a family owned business owned by muslims and I have a good relationship both professionally and personally with them, before xmas they invited me over for dinner and we had a lovely night of asian food, fondue, wine and discussion and trust me their views on muslim extremists are even more radical than mine, I am not remotely racist, I got a warning recently for racism in the Haiti thread which was absolutely ridiculous as there was not a single piece of racism from me
January 25, 201015 yr What you mean like US Mercenaries (oh, sorry, I meant to say "private military contractors" didn't I..?) have done from moving vehicles.....? <_< That's American's that has nothing to do with UK troops who have acted professionally, Islam4UK want to go and protest on the White House lawn I would fully support that
January 25, 201015 yr That's American's that has nothing to do with UK troops who have acted professionally, Islam4UK want to go and protest on the White House lawn I would fully support that Sorry, I dont see that just by saying "oh, that's America" it excuses us, we're associating ourselves with them by being there, simple as, all this "shoulder to shoulder" stuff, remember....?? Like it or not, we are seen as America's henchmen by many in the world... Being closely "allied" with the US and being in bed with the Bush regime throughout all this means we have to take responsibility for their stuff as well as ours....
January 25, 201015 yr I am not remotely racist, I am anti extremists, one of my clients is a family owned business owned by muslims and I have a good relationship both professionally and personally with them, before xmas they invited me over for dinner and we had a lovely night of asian food, fondue, wine and discussion and trust me their views on muslim extremists are even more radical than mine, I am not remotely racist, I got a warning recently for racism in the Haiti thread which was absolutely ridiculous as there was not a single piece of racism from me You think just because you have a good relationship with ONE INDIVIDUAL and their family that necessarily means you cant be a prejudiced against the general whole...??? WRONG!!!! You are about as convincing as the archetypal Hackney cabbie who says "I'm not a racist, but....". And dont try to palm me off with all this "it's more to do with economics than race" rubbish either.... You're a big boy, you know what you said on the Haiti thread.... Arch, extreme Capitalism and Racism has walked hand in hand throughout the ages - The Slave Trade, Colonialism, the slaughter of the Native Americans to grab their land, Apartheid, Zionism, Globalisation.... All based on greed AND racial discrimination....
January 25, 201015 yr You think just because you have a good relationship with ONE INDIVIDUAL and their family that necessarily means you cant be a prejudiced against the general whole...??? WRONG!!!! You are about as convincing as the archetypal Hackney cabbie who says "I'm not a racist, but....". And dont try to palm me off with all this "it's more to do with economics than race" rubbish either.... You're a big boy, you know what you said on the Haiti thread.... Arch, extreme Capitalism and Racism has walked hand in hand throughout the ages - The Slave Trade, Colonialism, the slaughter of the Native Americans to grab their land, Apartheid, Zionism, Globalisation.... All based on greed AND racial discrimination.... I was warned for saying the Haitian survivors were mud pie eaters which was not racist as since then I PM'd an admin with links to back up the fact that mud pies are the main recipe for Haiti's poor so I was only dealing in truth, this was covered in written articles by National Geographic magazine and MSNBC and visually backed up in footage from Fox News so being warned for racism was beyond absurd and purely about a power crazed mod with an agenda against me because of Michael Jackson so I deny emphatically that I am a racist, not only that but I have probably been more anti BNP/Griffin on this forum than almost anyone if not more so than anyone, if I had racist tendencies I would be supporting BNP/Griffin Under my cull whites would have been affected too particularly from Eastern Europe so it was hardly just a case of an agenda against blacks and asians, skin colour didn't enter my head with regards that and still doesn't
January 25, 201015 yr Under my cull whites would have been affected too particularly from Eastern Europe so it was hardly just a case of an agenda against blacks and asians, skin colour didn't enter my head with regards that and still doesn't I've got news for you.... Armenians, Albanians, Romanians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians are ethnically and culturally different from Western/Northern europeans such as Dutch, German, Spanish, Scandinavian, so the tag still fits in my view.....
January 25, 201015 yr I was warned for saying the Haitian survivors were mud pie eaters which was not racist as since then I PM'd an admin with links to back up the fact that mud pies are the main recipe for Haiti's poor so I was only dealing in truth, You used it as a racist slur, in much the same way as Jade Goody said "Shilpa Poppadom"... What?? You are seriously trying to tell us that you were commenting on the Hatians culinary habits....??? :lol: :lol: Pull the other one, it's got bells on mate..... :P I dont often agree with Jark, but his warning was absolutely on the mark for your offence... I'd argue that it deserved a LOT worse than a 10% raise of your warning level, especially given your past form for borderline racist slurs and remarks made advocating extermination of entire races.... I've let you get away with a LOT on Perspectives forum, you cant say that I dont... Far more than I would Crazy Chris.... But those remarks, given the current situation, was just absolutely tactless and without any kind of human decency.... I cant, and wont, let that go unchallenged....
January 25, 201015 yr Do I give a sh!t if my views are "unpopular"...?? No, I dont.... So were Abe Lincoln's, Martin Luther King's, Malcolm X's and JFK's, I consider myself in good company, they died making the world a better place regardless of who got upset, they're the REAL HEROES, not a bunch of gung-ho, armed knobheads who place nebulous concepts such as "patriotism" and "following orders" over what is actually right and wrong.... The real patriots stand against their government when the Govt and its institutions (including the police and armed forces) are wrong.... Location doesn't matter... My views are in the total spirit of the "Right to Protest" against the war.... The war is, in my view, illegal, so, whatever measures are taken to try and stop this ILLEGAL ACT, are justified, even if it that means upsetting people... This is a more important issue than peoples' sensibilities..... And, errrr, dont you think that there's any Scottish regiments out there??? My cousin served in Iraq, in a SCOTTISH regiment.. I'm as much against Scottish soldiers being there as any other, and by the way, so's John Swinney and Alex Salmond, believe me, if they and the Scottish Executive had the power to remove Scottish soldiers from Iraq and Afghanistan, they would.... that first paragraph must be the biggest load of bollox you have ever posted.... how can you be so bloody arrogant? claiming to be in the same league as lincoln, malcolm x, jfk .... they were POPULAR, they had support even if they had a large 'enemy' support. you have NO support... do you really think that abe lincoln (a patriot! :P ) would support this extremist groups right to protest at the very place we use to symbolise our respect for fallen troups?.... fcuk off he would! it isnt so much about their right to protest... again... yawn ... its the fact they wanted to do it in wooton basset, effectively spitting on the graves of our dead troops... that is simply NOT ON in anybodies book...even muslims! again... if they are soooo bloody keen to protest against the war from a muslims point of view...let them...at whitehall, not wooton basset! the very fact that they wouldnt chose an alternative clearly demostrates all they wanted to do was stick two fingers up at the english/british to both the dead and the locals. its utterly disgracefull that you should seek to allow them to do that.... especially as they stand for everything you detest!!! you are a loony. <_<
January 25, 201015 yr it isnt so much about their right to protest... again... yawn ... its the fact they wanted to do it in wooton basset, effectively spitting on the graves of our dead troops... that is simply NOT ON in anybodies book...even muslims! again... if they are soooo bloody keen to protest against the war from a muslims point of view...let them...at whitehall, not wooton basset! the very fact that they wouldnt chose an alternative clearly demostrates all they wanted to do was stick two fingers up at the english/british to both the dead and the locals. its utterly disgracefull that you should seek to allow them to do that.... especially as they stand for everything you detest!!! you are a loony. <_< So, I guess they should've protested outside Parliament..... Oh, wait a minute, they COULDN'T HAVE because of the ban on demos in Parliament Square..... Yeah, like they'd get permission when the Govt has been hell-bent on stopping ANY kind of protest outside its gates going so far as to use the courts to try and stop Brian Haw who's NOT a "fanatical Muslim", so you tell me the justification for having a go at him then..... I'll repeat, whether it's Islam4UK or Brian Haw, it's the SAME BULLSH!T WAR BOTH PARTIES ARE PROTESTING AGAINST, and both are being prevented from exercising their rights to protest in a so-called "liberal democracy"..... Moron..... <_<
January 25, 201015 yr would support this extremist groups right to protest at the very place we use to symbolise our respect for fallen troups?.... It's the same thing as anti-war protestors in the US who protested at the Vietnam, Washington and Lincoln Memorials.... Is that not also a "symbol"? Or also something simple like a the guy at JFK airport who got arrested by the pigs for wearing a John Lennon T-Shirt bearing the legend "Give Peace a Chance" on the day war broke out.... The authorities DONT LIKE us, any of us, protesting the war.. All the more reason for us to do it surely.....
January 25, 201015 yr Same here, I know of no one bar Scott anywhere, and that includes muslims I know, who support this march I didn't support the march itself, but I support(ed) their right to hold it. If the BNP are allowed to put forward unpopular views then so are Islamic extremist groups. You don't get to pick and choose the extremists who get to have a say and who don't. The government banning this group was a ridiculous and undemocratic move from a govt desperately trying to save its skin.
January 25, 201015 yr I didn't support the march itself, but I support(ed) their right to hold it. If the BNP are allowed to put forward unpopular views then so are Islamic extremist groups. You don't get to pick and choose the extremists who get to have a say and who don't. The government banning this group was a ridiculous and undemocratic move from a govt desperately trying to save its skin. Islam4UK was/is not about the war, the war was an excuse to get publicity, their aim is to have Britain as an islamic state with sharia law, they were also backed and financed by a known terrorist (Bakiri) so were a threat to national security
January 25, 201015 yr Islam4UK was/is not about the war, the war was an excuse to get publicity, their aim is to have Britain as an islamic state with sharia law, they were also backed and financed by a known terrorist (Bakiri) so were a threat to national security I'm aware of that. But as long as they weren't explicitly inciting violence, they have just as much right to exist as the BNP.
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