I'd be much happier to see racist morons like certain people in this thread deported than Muslims.

 

For the record, I am of course against this extremist group.

 

There is no racism in this thread

 

The people who should be most disgusted and appalled by this "protest" is ordinary law abiding hard working muslims of which there are many in this country as ALL muslims will be tarred with the same brush by the Daily Mail and The Sun

 

I don't see what is racist by encouraging someone who hates this country to leave, I would say the same if it was Americans protesting or French or Australians

But the fact you say anyone who dislikes the government can leave the country... surely that entirely defeats the point of a democracy? I agree with your point about this being a bad label for muslims and I agree this isn't the right place for the protest in the slightest but at the end of the day it's a democracy and the right to free speech against the government is there for a reason. I don't think you'll find a single person in this country who is happy with the government one hundred percent.. There are many gripes I have with our government the most prominent being the ridiculous immigration policy which instead of annoyance at the government has turned into racial hatred at people immigrating as if it's their fault laws are so slack.

 

So yeah, a democracy is a democracy and that's the whole point of this countries government.

But the fact you say anyone who dislikes the government can leave the country... surely that entirely defeats the point of a democracy? I agree with your point about this being a bad label for muslims and I agree this isn't the right place for the protest in the slightest but at the end of the day it's a democracy and the right to free speech against the government is there for a reason. I don't think you'll find a single person in this country who is happy with the government one hundred percent.. There are many gripes I have with our government the most prominent being the ridiculous immigration policy which instead of annoyance at the government has turned into racial hatred at people immigrating as if it's their fault laws are so slack.

 

So yeah, a democracy is a democracy and that's the whole point of this countries government.

 

Normally I would agree with you, I have many issues with the current government and will likely have some with Cameron's administration too but the particular protest is about the British soldiers/ UK government killing their "brothers" in Afghanistan so given the extreme hate of this particular issue towards the government by these individuals it does raise the question why they are prepared to reap the benefits of a country they despise the government and army of so much

 

If I thought that the government of the country I lived in was murdering my friends and relatives I would not want to stay

 

I was against and still am against the Iraq war, I am utterly opposed to the war in Afghanistan and do not believe we should be there

... then lets have the repatriated courtage pass through a muslim district and pass right outside their main mosque... no?.. thought not. same applies, wooton basset is the symbol of our respect to the fallen.

 

Good point well made in a nutshell.

 

As this is going on six miles away from where I live; and I have attended two of these repatriations .... I thought I'd post the balanced view of my local paper:

 

Muslim leader says: 'Our argument is not with Wootton Bassett'

8:53am Monday 4th January 2010

Swindon Evening Advertiser.co.uk

 

THE head of a Islamic group that plans to march through Wootton Bassett in protest at British military actions in Afghanistan has told the town’s residents his quarrel is not with them.

 

Anjem Choudary is the UK head of Al-Muhajiroun which, under the banner Islam4UK, plans to march through the centre of the town in honour of the Muslims which it claims have been “murdered” in Afghanistan.

 

He said the target of the protests was the political classes not the mourners who regularly attend the repatriations of fallen soldiers through the town.

“The procession is not about having a protest against the people of Wootton Bassett,” said Mr Choudary, pictured. “The idea is to raise awareness of what is happening in Afghanistan.

“Wootton Bassett is symbolic that people in Britain think their soldiers are fighting for freedom and democracy.

“This protest will bring this debate into the open and I hope a lot of people will think carefully about what their military is doing in Afghanistan.”

 

Mr Choudary said he had no specific date in mind for the protest but promised it would not coincide with a repatriation.

He said: “We have no argument with the people of Wootton Bassett and I hope they do not think that.

“You could argue that the location is not the best for protesting at the Government but Wootton Bassett is symbolic of the British military’s actions in Afghanistan and that is what we want to debate.”

 

Al-Muhajiroun, which proposes the introduction of Sharia law in the UK, announced its plans for a “momentous march” on the Islam4Uk website on Saturday.

The notice accused the British military of causing the deaths of thousands of Muslims in Afghanistan and said the march would “highlight the real casualties of this brutal crusade.”

 

Yesterday an open letter to the families of fallen service personnel was also published on the group’s website.

 

A Wiltshire Police spokeswoman said the force would liaise with protesters before any decision was taken on whether to allow the march.

She said: “If police feel the march may result in disorder, officers can impose conditions on the event although they have no power to ban it from going ahead unless there are ‘exceptional’ circumstances.”

 

If police suspect the event could cause serious disorder they have the power to impose restraints on the organisers, including applying to the local authority to have the march banned, she added.

“In these particular circumstances, Wiltshire Police will be liaising closely with the local community and our partner agencies,” she said.

“Furthermore, contact will be sought with the organisers at the earliest opportunity in order to determine the facts of the proposed march.

“To date there has been no contact from Islam4uk or any other group wishing to arrange such a march in Wootton Bassett.”

 

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a democracy is it?.... sorry but i dont know 1 person over the last 40 years that has WANTED mass immigration, this has been surupticiously foisted onto us by successive governments.

Then we have the right to protest, was my point! :rolleyes:

Then we have the right to protest, was my point! :rolleyes:

 

You have seen it on here Tyron its not as simple as that, say a word against immigration and you are automatically branded a Daily Mail reader / Nazi / Racist / BNP fanboy (delete where applicable), I have been falsely accused of being racist several times on BJ when all I did was speak out against mass unchecked immigration and that is just a message board so imagine what it is like nationally

 

 

Good point well made in a nutshell.

 

As this is going on six miles away from where I live; and I have attended two of these repatriations .... I thought I'd post the balanced view of my local paper:

 

Muslim leader says: 'Our argument is not with Wootton Bassett'

8:53am Monday 4th January 2010

Swindon Evening Advertiser.co.uk

 

THE head of a Islamic group that plans to march through Wootton Bassett in protest at British military actions in Afghanistan has told the town’s residents his quarrel is not with them.

 

Anjem Choudary is the UK head of Al-Muhajiroun which, under the banner Islam4UK, plans to march through the centre of the town in honour of the Muslims which it claims have been “murdered” in Afghanistan.

 

He said the target of the protests was the political classes not the mourners who regularly attend the repatriations of fallen soldiers through the town.

“The procession is not about having a protest against the people of Wootton Bassett,” said Mr Choudary, pictured. “The idea is to raise awareness of what is happening in Afghanistan.

“Wootton Bassett is symbolic that people in Britain think their soldiers are fighting for freedom and democracy.

“This protest will bring this debate into the open and I hope a lot of people will think carefully about what their military is doing in Afghanistan.”

 

Mr Choudary said he had no specific date in mind for the protest but promised it would not coincide with a repatriation.

He said: “We have no argument with the people of Wootton Bassett and I hope they do not think that.

“You could argue that the location is not the best for protesting at the Government but Wootton Bassett is symbolic of the British military’s actions in Afghanistan and that is what we want to debate.”

 

Al-Muhajiroun, which proposes the introduction of Sharia law in the UK, announced its plans for a “momentous march” on the Islam4Uk website on Saturday.

The notice accused the British military of causing the deaths of thousands of Muslims in Afghanistan and said the march would “highlight the real casualties of this brutal crusade.”

 

Yesterday an open letter to the families of fallen service personnel was also published on the group’s website.

 

A Wiltshire Police spokeswoman said the force would liaise with protesters before any decision was taken on whether to allow the march.

She said: “If police feel the march may result in disorder, officers can impose conditions on the event although they have no power to ban it from going ahead unless there are ‘exceptional’ circumstances.”

 

If police suspect the event could cause serious disorder they have the power to impose restraints on the organisers, including applying to the local authority to have the march banned, she added.

“In these particular circumstances, Wiltshire Police will be liaising closely with the local community and our partner agencies,” she said.

“Furthermore, contact will be sought with the organisers at the earliest opportunity in order to determine the facts of the proposed march.

“To date there has been no contact from Islam4uk or any other group wishing to arrange such a march in Wootton Bassett.”

 

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Much as I don't like violence I sincerely hope that those that protest in this way receive a bloody good kicking

PM in Wootton Bassett march warning

 

Any protest march which offends the families of soldiers killed and injured in Afghanistan would be considered "completely inappropriate" by Gordon Brown, Downing Street has said.

 

The Prime Minister's spokesman issued the warning after the leader of a controversial Islamic group vowed to continue with plans for a march through Wootton Bassett.

 

Anjem Choudary of Islam4UK - a branch of the extremist al-Muhajiroun movement - sparked dismay with plans for 500 members to parade with empty coffins symbolising Muslim victims through the town, which has become famous for honouring service personnel killed in the conflict.

 

Civic leaders have begged Mr Choudary to reconsider his proposal and a Facebook site dedicated to preventing the march has already attracted more than 120,000 members.

 

Mr Brown's spokesman said: "We do not yet know what his plans are. The only thing he seems to have said is that it is an idea he is considering. He would need to have the appropriate contact with the right people in Wootton Bassett to secure approval.

 

"The Prime Minister's view would be obviously that anything that is considered to be offensive to, or of concern to, families of troops wounded or killed in Afghanistan would be completely inappropriate."

 

source - ananova.com

 

You have seen it on here Tyron its not as simple as that, say a word against immigration and you are automatically branded a Daily Mail reader / Nazi / Racist / BNP fanboy (delete where applicable), I have been falsely accused of being racist several times on BJ when all I did was speak out against mass unchecked immigration and that is just a message board so imagine what it is like nationally

And, in much the same way, these people will be told to f*** off to another country! It's called the right to free speech...

Then we have the right to protest, was my point! :rolleyes:

 

I think you are missing the point why a number of us from the whole range of the political spectrum are so against Anjem Choudary; the Islam4UK and the extremist al-Muhajiroun movement:

 

From Wikipedia:

 

On 7 November 1999 the Sunday Telegraph reported that Muslims were receiving weapons training at secret locations in The UK. Most of those who trained at these centres would then fight for Osama Bin Laden's International Islamic Front in Chechnya, while others would fight in such places as Kosovo, Sudan, Somalia, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Kashmir. The report identified Anjem Choudary as a key figure in recruiting for these training centres.

 

Choudary embraces radical Islamism, and along with the Islamist militant leader Omar Bakri Muhammed co-founded Al-Muhajiroun. The Islamist organisation was banned in the UK in 2004, under anti-terrorist legislation. He now speaks for Bakri, who was banned from Britain on 12 August 2005 by Home Secretary Charles Clarke on the grounds that his presence in Britain was "not conducive to the public good." Choudary is also a spokesman for Al Ghurabaa, an organisation banned for the glorification of terrorism in the United Kingdom.

 

As the head of Al-Muhajiroun in the UK, on 17 October 2000 Choudary issued a press release which threatened British Jews if they continued to support Israel. The press release said, in part, that it is an "Islamic obligation upon Muslims everywhere to support the Jihad against those who fight Muslims anywhere in the world or who occupy Muslim land"; "the Qur'an is explicit in making Israeli aggressors and occupiers legitimate targets for Muslims wherever they may be," and that "if you support Israel financially, verbally or physically you will become part of the conflict."

 

At a press conference in Walthamstow, East London, on the eve of the first anniversary of the 7 July 2005 London bombings, Choudary said that Muslims in Britain were "oppressed" and had the right to defend themselves "by whatever means". He also said that he would not notify police if he were to learn of another terrorist bombing plot, and that "I don't think Muslims can co-operate with police."

 

In 2007 Choudary posted a statement on the "Followers of Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jama'aah Muntada" online forum calling on British Muslims to join the "divine call of jihad" and fight with the Union of Islamic Courts against the Somali government. In his statement he said the "obligation of supporting jihad all over the world is fard ayn... This honourable act must be carried out according to your own capabilities because... Muhammad said strike the [infidels]with your wealth, hands and tongue."

 

Speaking a conference on 11 September 2008 in London, Choudary, referring to the Muslims, stated that "It may be by pure conversion that Britain will become an Islamic state. He also stated that "We do not integrate into Christianity. We will ensure that one day you to will happily integrate into the Sharia Islamic law."

 

In December 2008, Choudary publicly praised the 2008 Mumbai attacks in India by Islamic Extremists and stated that Muslims should reject Christmas as it is forbidden by Allah. The Telegraph of London quoted him as saying: "Every Muslim has a responsibility to protect his family from the misguidance of Christmas, because its observance will lead to hellfire. Protect your Paradise from being taken away – protect yourself and your family from Christmas"

 

“ At the end of the day, when we say innocent people we mean Muslims. As far as non-Muslims are concerned, they have not accepted Islam. As far as we are concerned they are all infidels, .......... Christianity and its tolerance of things such as homosexuality are a crime against God. ”

– Anjem Choudary, BBC interview January 4th 2010.

 

So Tyron, do you still support this person and his rights to march? Because I fukkin' don't.

This fruitcake is even more fukked up than Abu Hamza, it is ridiculous that he is not in a cell alongside Hook

You have seen it on here Tyron its not as simple as that, say a word against immigration and you are automatically branded a Daily Mail reader / Nazi / Racist / BNP fanboy (delete where applicable), I have been falsely accused of being racist several times on BJ when all I did was speak out against mass unchecked immigration and that is just a message board so imagine what it is like nationally

 

Criticising immigration isn't racist. Describing British-born Muslims as "guests in our country" is racist.

Criticising immigration isn't racist. Describing British-born Muslims as "guests in our country" is racist.

 

No black/asian/muslim person can be truly British, they can live here, they can be born here but they all descend from immigrant stock, if they didn't emigrate to Britain their parents did

 

And even that aside how do you know that those attending the march were born here and are not asylum seekers, people on student visas, illegal immigrants etc ? anyone that attends that march is not a true Brit to me as they are spitting in the faces of the British population by their behaviour

No black/asian/muslim person can be truly British

 

...

 

And even that aside how do you know that those attending the march were born here and are not asylum seekers, people on student visas, illegal immigrants etc ? anyone that attends that march is not a true Brit to me as they are spitting in the faces of the British population by their behaviour

 

I found out that their leader was born in Welling, London within 5 seconds of loading his Wikipedia page.

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I found out that their leader was born in Welling, London within 5 seconds of loading his Wikipedia page.

 

He has no allegiance or loyalty to Britain, he has no respect for our laws and wants to see Britain as an islamic state with sharia law, that is incompatible with being a British person regardless of where he was born

 

He has been here long enough to know that Wootton Bassett is sacred soil but is prepared to try start his jihad there

 

That is not the actions of a Brit to me

Edited January 4, 201015 yr by B.A Baracus

He has no allegiance or loyalty to Britain, he has no respect for our laws and wants to see Britain as an islamic state with sharia law, that is incompatible with being a British person regardless of where he was born

 

He has been here long enough to know that Wootton Bassett is sacred soil but is prepared to try start his jihad there

 

That is not the actions of a Brit to me

 

I don't care what you consider to be the actions of a "true Brit", he was born here so has the same right to express his opinions on HIS country as you do. You can disagree with his viewpoint all you want, but if you're going to claim someone born in Britain is a guest in "our" country because of his race, then expect to be called a racist.

Edited January 4, 201015 yr by Danny

I don't care what you consider to be the actions of a "true Brit", he was born here so has the same right to express his opinions on HIS country as you do. You can disagree with his viewpoint all you want, but if you're going to claim someone in Britain is a guest in our country because of his race, then expect to be called a racist.

 

If Rob, Scott or any member of the global mod or admin team thought I was being racist then I would get warned or banned but the fact that my warning level stands at 0% after 17 months of posting including strong views on the subject of immigration then clearly your suggestion that I am a racist or even closet racist is not a view shared by them

 

 

If Rob, Scott or any member of the global mod or admin team thought I was being racist then I would get warned or banned but the fact that my warning level stands at 0% after 17 months of posting including strong views on the subject of immigration then clearly your suggestion that I am a racist or even closet racist is not a view shared by them

 

Yeah, no-one has the right to question what a random internet forum deems socially acceptable or unacceptable.

If Rob, Scott or any member of the global mod or admin team thought I was being racist then I would get warned or banned but the fact that my warning level stands at 0% after 17 months of posting including strong views on the subject of immigration then clearly your suggestion that I am a racist or even closet racist is not a view shared by them

 

As you well know you & I have not always seen eye to eye but your views are harmless compared to Anjem Choudary which are homophobic, religiously intolerant and anti-semetic.

 

All in all he makes Nick Griffin seem as harmless as Family Guy's Peter Griffin.

 

Still Danny, seeing as you seem to be supporting Anjem Choudary's rights; would you support a someone rights to be anti-Islamic; and to march outside Mosques supporting the war in Iraq & Afghanistan?

Yeah, no-one has the right to question what a random internet forum deems socially acceptable or unacceptable.

 

So 2 mods, 3 admins and 4 global mods are wrong and you are right ? :rofl: :rofl: how patronising towards them :huh:

 

You can nit pick my posts and be as pedantic as you like trying to out me as a racist but it is futile and pointless as I am not one, I am anti racist, many of the most robust anti BNP posts in the Griffin On QT thread were from ME

 

I attended demos when I was younger protesting against apartheid, again the epitome of a racist :rolleyes:

 

But if you want to carry on this tedious crusade to out me as a racist then whatever floats your boat :)