I think you are missing the point why a number of us from the whole range of the political spectrum are so against Anjem Choudary; the Islam4UK and the extremist al-Muhajiroun movement:

 

From Wikipedia:

So Tyron, do you still support this person and his rights to march? Because I fukkin' don't.

I don't support his beliefs, but I support his right to protest under the basic right of free speech! I agree with his essential point on THIS issue, but not the way he's going about it...

No black/asian/muslim person can be truly British, they can live here, they can be born here but they all descend from immigrant stock, if they didn't emigrate to Britain their parents did

Sigh, not this argument again. ALL OF US, unless you're the one or two out of the 60 million people in this country who descend from the native Celts (in which case you're probably lacking a chin or have some other defect through all the in-breeding) descend from immigrant stock, it's just a matter of how long you've been here! You're essentially saying that nobody can be truly British.

Still Danny, seeing as you seem to be supporting Anjem Choudary's rights; would you support a someone rights to be anti-Islamic; and to march outside Mosques supporting the war in Iraq & Afghanistan?

I know this point wasn't directed at me, but again, under the right to free speech, I would say that I would support someone's right to be anti-Islamic as long as there aren't calls to harm and to do it outside mosques. It works both ways, they have the right to criticise and we have the right to criticise their criticism and the way they go about it!

For the record, I agree with much of what russt68 has said in this thread, I condemn the group's methods of highlighting this particular issue but not the issue itself. I obviously disagree with the vast majority of Choudary's views but support his right to say them, so long as he doesn't call for harm...which it would seem he has done. Quite why nothing has been done about it is baffling :/

Sigh, not this argument again. ALL OF US, unless you're the one or two out of the 60 million people in this country who descend from the native Celts (in which case you're probably lacking a chin or have some other defect through all the in-breeding) descend from immigrant stock, it's just a matter of how long you've been here! You're essentially saying that nobody can be truly British.

 

I hope that is satire. :P

 

I don't think agree with this protest, btw. But as much as I dislike the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, Islam4UK do have the right to do this. It's just the way it is and it is one of the many cons of a modern democratic and liberal society.

I think the media should deny any obvious wind-up merchants the oxygen of publicity and that should apply to all Brits no matter their creed, colour or ethnic mix. The location choice for this demo was quite clearly designed to court controversy and cause offence to as many others as possible.

 

The damage is already done this time. They've had screeds of column inches and air time.

 

IMHO there is no way the slightest concession should be given to those seeking Sharia law or any other theocratic laws. We are a country of religious tolerance but that's as far as it should go.

I think the media should deny any obvious wind-up merchants the oxygen of publicity and that should apply to all Brits no matter their creed, colour or ethnic mix. The location choice for this demo was quite clearly designed to court controversy and cause offence to as many others as possible.

 

The damage is already done this time. They've had screeds of column inches and air time.

 

IMHO there is no way the slightest concession should be given to those seeking Sharia law or any other theocratic laws. We are a country of religious tolerance but that's as far as it should go.

What do you mean by "concession"? If allowing people to demonstrate in favour of Sharia law is a concession, I'm quite happy to make that concession. If it means that, for example, people in a marriage dispute both freely agree to accept a ruling under Sharia law, I don't have a problem with that either. After all, it is possible fro people to accept a ruling under Jewish law. As for the more extreme elements of Sharia law, people can campaign for it if they wish but I disagree with them.

If it means that, for example, people in a marriage dispute both freely agree to accept a ruling under Sharia law, I don't have a problem with that either.

 

Well I do.

 

The law is there for all.

 

Not for some. Otherwise - why make laws at all? They're not there for picking and choosing and amending.

 

There are many areas of the law I'd like to hop and skip around - but I live in a country where, whether I agree with that law or not, I have to abide by it or face the consequences if I do not - and the same absolutely has to apply to EVERYONE in this country - religion has nothing whatsoever to do with law - and it must stay that way.

 

Well I do.

 

The law is there for all.

 

Not for some. Otherwise - why make laws at all? They're not there for picking and choosing and amending.

 

There are many areas of the law I'd like to hop and skip around - but I live in a country where, whether I agree with that law or not, I have to abide by it or face the consequences if I do not - and the same absolutely has to apply to EVERYONE in this country - religion has nothing whatsoever to do with law - and it must stay that way.

 

absolutely!

 

you cannot run a country on a two teir law system... whoever lives here abides by the laws of the country or they CAN fcuk off...

 

 

reported yesterday that muslim groups local to wooton basset are AGAINST this march :) nice to see that ordinary muslims have the common decency to respect their adopted country.

Because him, like yourself, SPONGES from people like ME - people who work to pay their bills, furnish their homes.... and who work to feed the mouths of kids of layabouts like yourself.

 

THAT'S why.

 

Every penny you spend is accountable to US - the people who pay for you to sit at home in bed all day, flicking channels and surfing websites.... in fact, I hope you like the chair you're sitting in - after all, I paid for it.

 

And if he's on IB - he seems more than able to get about easily, he's obviously not, ahem, 'depressed'.... so what IS his supposed illness? I want to know.

 

 

According to to the front page of today's Sun he's on 25k a year benefits, £500 a week.

Well I do.

 

The law is there for all.

 

Not for some. Otherwise - why make laws at all? They're not there for picking and choosing and amending.

 

There are many areas of the law I'd like to hop and skip around - but I live in a country where, whether I agree with that law or not, I have to abide by it or face the consequences if I do not - and the same absolutely has to apply to EVERYONE in this country - religion has nothing whatsoever to do with law - and it must stay that way.

 

Spot on

 

I would love to not pay my tax but I pay it because I have a legal obligation to pay it, I would love to drive at 120mph on motorways but I do not do it because I respect the law

 

The law is not an A La Carte menu where things can be picked and chosen, anyone living in this country has an obligation to live by the laws of the land

 

There are plenty of countries with sharia law anyone demanding sharia law get on a fukkin plane and go live there

According to to the front page of today's Sun he's on 25k a year benefits, £500 a week.

 

What a fukkin hypocrite he is, he is so opposed to what is happening to his "brothers" in Afghanistan why is he not there fighting with them ? instead of living in tents and caves he is living the life of riley courtesy of the very government he accuses of murder :manson:

 

At least Hook actually got involved in the struggle and fought the Russians so this parasite should get off his lazy ass and get on a plane and go fight for the cause if it means so much to him and he hates this country so much

From The Sun website.

 

A FATHER whose soldier son was killed in Afghanistan lashed out last night at the huge state handouts given to rabble-rousing Anjem Choudary.

 

The Muslim cleric's untaxed income of £25,740 is thousands more than 21-year-old gunner Jack Sadler was earning before he was blown up by a roadside bomb.

 

And Jack's outraged dad Ian, 60, said: "These lads don't get paid what they deserve because they sacrifice so much. Choudary just doesn't deserve the money full stop. Whose team is he cheering for anyway? It's appalling there are young soldiers out there serving Queen and country and they're getting a pittance while this man takes his handouts. It's wrong these people's lives are being subsidised. It's utterly galling."

 

 

From The Sun website.

 

A FATHER whose soldier son was killed in Afghanistan lashed out last night at the huge state handouts given to rabble-rousing Anjem Choudary.

 

The Muslim cleric's untaxed income of £25,740 is thousands more than 21-year-old gunner Jack Sadler was earning before he was blown up by a roadside bomb.

 

And Jack's outraged dad Ian, 60, said: "These lads don't get paid what they deserve because they sacrifice so much. Choudary just doesn't deserve the money full stop. Whose team is he cheering for anyway? It's appalling there are young soldiers out there serving Queen and country and they're getting a pittance while this man takes his handouts. It's wrong these people's lives are being subsidised. It's utterly galling."

 

Apparently he is claiming income support and not incapacity benefit, if he is spreading hatred and organising marches he is clearly not actively seeking work so his benefits should be stopped immidiately

 

 

reported yesterday that muslim groups local to wooton basset are AGAINST this march :) nice to see that ordinary muslims have the common decency to respect their adopted country.

 

Exactly! Most muslims in this country are completley against the march and it's sad this extremist group are giving them a bad name, as all that's happening is further racial prejudice is being formed against Islam. Which is quite sad considering the amount of racial hatred already alive in modern Britain based on a spineless government and it's pathetic immigration system. I just wish people could see passed the minority and not view it as the life of the majority.

Exactly! Most muslims in this country are completley against the march and it's sad this extremist group are giving them a bad name, as all that's happening is further racial prejudice is being formed against Islam. Which is quite sad considering the amount of racial hatred already alive in modern Britain based on a spineless government and it's pathetic immigration system. I just wish people could see passed the minority and not view it as the life of the majority.

 

I agree with this

 

Probably 20% at most of muslims in this country are rabid extremists, the rest are hard working law abiding citizens and that those 20% will give the other 80% a bad name thanks to the Daily Mail and The Sun

 

It would be a shame if all muslims get tarred with the same brush so it is necessary for the muslim community and muslim groups in the UK to speak out against extremism

This is bull$h!t.

 

This countries modern values have been built on tolerance and acceptance. As a nation, we are 'christian' but for years we have lived peacefully with many different faiths. The majority of us respect the beliefs and requirements of these faiths. From Religious Education in High School other religions have intruiged me. I believe in Karma like a growing number of people, a belief which is Buddhist in origin.

 

Whilst i object to the large number of immigrants and believe we should take an Australian stance on immigration [if you over stay your visa you automatically get an exclusion period added to your passport of 3years] i have no issues what so ever with the hard working majority who come here for a better way of life. I respect their religious views as it is their prerogative. What i abhor is people telling me what i should believe. That my beliefs are wrong and that i have to adapt to a certain belief system.

 

You want to live under Sharia Law thats fine, there are countries in the world where that is the law of the land. People who are desperate to live under Sharia Law like this Islam4UK group can take advantage of our right to leave and p*** off to live there where they won't have to deal with 'infidels'. This country will never change it's entire legal system from the fair [well, tbh, overtly PC and stupidly H&S concious] system we have now to such a backwards, intolerant system like Sharia Law. If there ever comes a day where i have to eat my own words or even come close to having to do so, i'll be taking advantage of the right to leave by getting on the first plane bound for the US or Australia from Heathrow.

Well I do.

 

The law is there for all.

 

Not for some. Otherwise - why make laws at all? They're not there for picking and choosing and amending.

 

There are many areas of the law I'd like to hop and skip around - but I live in a country where, whether I agree with that law or not, I have to abide by it or face the consequences if I do not - and the same absolutely has to apply to EVERYONE in this country - religion has nothing whatsoever to do with law - and it must stay that way.

If you read the whole of my post you will have noticed that there are already areas of the law where people can agree to abide by Jewish law rather than "the law of the land". If that precedent had not already been set, I might have thought differently.

Well I do.

 

The law is there for all.

 

Not for some. Otherwise - why make laws at all? They're not there for picking and choosing and amending.

 

There are many areas of the law I'd like to hop and skip around - but I live in a country where, whether I agree with that law or not, I have to abide by it or face the consequences if I do not - and the same absolutely has to apply to EVERYONE in this country - religion has nothing whatsoever to do with law - and it must stay that way.

 

100% spot on!

 

I really do despair at all the "wets" on this site who are happy to appease the likes of Islam4UK. No doubt if they were around in the 1930s they would have said similar things about Nazi Germany and Adolf Hitler's beliefs.

 

It is all very well being tolerant, but their should always be a line in the sand where someone's views and beliefs should not be tolerated. Therefore the beliefs of ISLAM4UK should not be tolerated as they preach religious hatred and support terrorism.

reported yesterday that muslim groups local to wooton basset are AGAINST this march :) nice to see that ordinary muslims have the common decency to respect their adopted country.

 

 

Can't say I'm surprised. The media (The Daily Mail and effin Daily wanking Express) are only interested in highlighting what's wrong in the world and Princess Diana - I fail to understand why? Does Joe Bloggs get a kick out of being pissed off? Comments about regular decent people in Islam never get any exposure and I think it's even more essential than ever that this happens more often.

Edited January 6, 201015 yr by ScottyEm